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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've been looking at last years results. It seems everyone was significantly slower in the third 6 miles of the marathon. Looking at the course elevation, there doesn't seem to be an explanation for why. Any ideas from people who have run the course? |
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New user![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As I always say its not the first 20 of a marathon that hurt, its the last 6. The course is not all that hard I bet it is just fatigue of the day for most people. I know for me after that last turn around and you head back towards town, it can be a long 6 miles but also very exciting and rewarding. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() edawno - 2013-03-21 7:25 PM As I always say its not the first 20 of a marathon that hurt, its the last 6. The course is not all that hard I bet it is just fatigue of the day for most people. I know for me after that last turn around and you head back towards town, it can be a long 6 miles but also very exciting and rewarding. Totally makes sense. The pace seems to pick up in the last six though. I would think it got progressively worse. |
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New user![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lol, I miss read your post. You are talking the 3rd 6. That would be after the half turn. I can see that as being slower. There is a small hill in there, not huge but steep, some people might stop and say hi to family as you pass the main area turn around and hit it all again. Also the aid station is a ways away at that point. You hit the aid station at mile 5 and then run to the turn for the half, head back out and the aid is now at mile 7. It is about the only time the aid station is that far apart. I can see start to the 13 to 20 being slow, also have the long hill in there towards the end of the loop. I can see that portion being a pain. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Looks like decent outside training weather this weekend! Have a 50 miler on the bike tomorrow and an 11 mile run on Sunday, which I am going to do on the course. It's going to be a great weekend with many more to come! |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mruss77 - 2013-03-21 5:51 PM I've been looking at last years results. It seems everyone was significantly slower in the third 6 miles of the marathon. Looking at the course elevation, there doesn't seem to be an explanation for why. Any ideas from people who have run the course? Not sure how you guys get these quotes in your note, but I will try this and see if it works. For the athletes finishing under 12 hours, you are finishing at the peak heat of the day. If there is not a breeze off the lake it can be quite warm. Many of the athletes are borderline hyponatremic(Low blood sodium) and dehydrated at this time, and combined with fatigue and the heat affect run times. Esp in the last 10K. Staying wet(evaporative cooling) and increasing salt through the run can help times. For me the heat off the buildings and streeets in town from mile 11 to 14 is fatiguing even with the help of the spectators. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mruss77 - 2013-03-21 8:51 PM I've been looking at last years results. It seems everyone was significantly slower in the third 6 miles of the marathon. Looking at the course elevation, there doesn't seem to be an explanation for why. Any ideas from people who have run the course?
Maybe because Special Needs is in the 3rd leg? or maybe a timing issue? seems odd that everyone would speed up the last 6. Edited by love2tri 2013-03-22 12:24 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() MRGIBBS - 2013-03-22 11:58 AM mruss77 - 2013-03-21 5:51 PM I've been looking at last years results. It seems everyone was significantly slower in the third 6 miles of the marathon. Looking at the course elevation, there doesn't seem to be an explanation for why. Any ideas from people who have run the course? Not sure how you guys get these quotes in your note, but I will try this and see if it works. For the athletes finishing under 12 hours, you are finishing at the peak heat of the day. If there is not a breeze off the lake it can be quite warm. Many of the athletes are borderline hyponatremic(Low blood sodium) and dehydrated at this time, and combined with fatigue and the heat affect run times. Esp in the last 10K. Staying wet(evaporative cooling) and increasing salt through the run can help times. For me the heat off the buildings and streeets in town from mile 11 to 14 is fatiguing even with the help of the spectators. I don't think hyponatremic is the problem becasue if many of the athletes had this condition that would mean many would literally die on the course. That is a life threatening issue if you drink too much water and don't have enough sodium. Dehydration, now that's a definite possiblity. I hope it's 85+ degrees on race day. That will be nice and cool for us Texans. ![]() |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rbalazs - 2013-03-22 5:58 PM MRGIBBS - 2013-03-22 11:58 AM I don't think hyponatremic is the problem becasue if many of the athletes had this condition that would mean many would literally die on the course. That is a life threatening issue if you drink too much water and don't have enough sodium. Dehydration, now that's a definite possiblity. I hope it's 85+ degrees on race day. That will be nice and cool for us Texans. mruss77 - 2013-03-21 5:51 PM I've been looking at last years results. It seems everyone was significantly slower in the third 6 miles of the marathon. Looking at the course elevation, there doesn't seem to be an explanation for why. Any ideas from people who have run the course? Not sure how you guys get these quotes in your note, but I will try this and see if it works. For the athletes finishing under 12 hours, you are finishing at the peak heat of the day. If there is not a breeze off the lake it can be quite warm. Many of the athletes are borderline hyponatremic(Low blood sodium) and dehydrated at this time, and combined with fatigue and the heat affect run times. Esp in the last 10K. Staying wet(evaporative cooling) and increasing salt through the run can help times. For me the heat off the buildings and streeets in town from mile 11 to 14 is fatiguing even with the help of the spectators. ![]() I disagree about 85+. I moved from Austin to Boulder to get away from that heat. 70 and sunny is what I'm hoping for. Tell Jack I say "Hello" I know he doesn't remember me. Unless you say, that guy who called and asked for you to get his bike out of transition when Bastrop and Steiner Ranch was on fire two years ago. He did me a huge favorite. Lets meet up in C d'Alene. I'd like to meet you. I'll be back in Austin for Longhorn 70.3 in August. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was told today buy someone who rode the bike course last week that it is Rockless and ready to roll. So that means time to practice on the course ![]() |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dkahns51 - 2013-03-22 4:53 PM I was told today buy someone who rode the bike course last week that it is Rockless and ready to roll. So that means time to practice on the course ![]() Awesome! On the weather issue, I would love 85 at 7am, then nothing above 60 for the rest of the race. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You'd think being born and raised in the SW would give me better tolerance for the heat, but living here for 8 years has killed that. If this spring is anything like last we'll be lucky to be acclimated to anything above 60F for racing. Based on 99% of my training so far, the perfect race would start in the dark at 4AM, 50F and slightly rainy the entire time... |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() All i want is no wind, idc if its 100. Im to light weight for wind haha |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bradaskins - 2013-03-22 6:16 PM rbalazs - 2013-03-22 5:58 PM MRGIBBS - 2013-03-22 11:58 AM I don't think hyponatremic is the problem becasue if many of the athletes had this condition that would mean many would literally die on the course. That is a life threatening issue if you drink too much water and don't have enough sodium. Dehydration, now that's a definite possiblity. I hope it's 85+ degrees on race day. That will be nice and cool for us Texans. mruss77 - 2013-03-21 5:51 PM I've been looking at last years results. It seems everyone was significantly slower in the third 6 miles of the marathon. Looking at the course elevation, there doesn't seem to be an explanation for why. Any ideas from people who have run the course? Not sure how you guys get these quotes in your note, but I will try this and see if it works. For the athletes finishing under 12 hours, you are finishing at the peak heat of the day. If there is not a breeze off the lake it can be quite warm. Many of the athletes are borderline hyponatremic(Low blood sodium) and dehydrated at this time, and combined with fatigue and the heat affect run times. Esp in the last 10K. Staying wet(evaporative cooling) and increasing salt through the run can help times. For me the heat off the buildings and streeets in town from mile 11 to 14 is fatiguing even with the help of the spectators. ![]() I disagree about 85+. I moved from Austin to Boulder to get away from that heat. 70 and sunny is what I'm hoping for. Tell Jack I say "Hello" I know he doesn't remember me. Unless you say, that guy who called and asked for you to get his bike out of transition when Bastrop and Steiner Ranch was on fire two years ago. He did me a huge favorite. Lets meet up in C d'Alene. I'd like to meet you. I'll be back in Austin for Longhorn 70.3 in August. That's exactly why I want 85 because all the northerners will think it's hot. ![]() |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rbalazs - 2013-03-22 7:50 PM bradaskins - 2013-03-22 6:16 PM That's exactly why I want 85 because all the northerners will think it's hot. rbalazs - 2013-03-22 5:58 PM MRGIBBS - 2013-03-22 11:58 AM I don't think hyponatremic is the problem becasue if many of the athletes had this condition that would mean many would literally die on the course. That is a life threatening issue if you drink too much water and don't have enough sodium. Dehydration, now that's a definite possiblity. I hope it's 85+ degrees on race day. That will be nice and cool for us Texans. mruss77 - 2013-03-21 5:51 PM I've been looking at last years results. It seems everyone was significantly slower in the third 6 miles of the marathon. Looking at the course elevation, there doesn't seem to be an explanation for why. Any ideas from people who have run the course? Not sure how you guys get these quotes in your note, but I will try this and see if it works. For the athletes finishing under 12 hours, you are finishing at the peak heat of the day. If there is not a breeze off the lake it can be quite warm. Many of the athletes are borderline hyponatremic(Low blood sodium) and dehydrated at this time, and combined with fatigue and the heat affect run times. Esp in the last 10K. Staying wet(evaporative cooling) and increasing salt through the run can help times. For me the heat off the buildings and streeets in town from mile 11 to 14 is fatiguing even with the help of the spectators. ![]() I disagree about 85+. I moved from Austin to Boulder to get away from that heat. 70 and sunny is what I'm hoping for. Tell Jack I say "Hello" I know he doesn't remember me. Unless you say, that guy who called and asked for you to get his bike out of transition when Bastrop and Steiner Ranch was on fire two years ago. He did me a huge favorite. Lets meet up in C d'Alene. I'd like to meet you. I'll be back in Austin for Longhorn 70.3 in August. ![]() At least us northerners will be acclimated to the frigid, freezing, bone-chilling water |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() PrivateIdaho - 2013-03-23 12:13 AM rbalazs - 2013-03-22 7:50 PM bradaskins - 2013-03-22 6:16 PM That's exactly why I want 85 because all the northerners will think it's hot. rbalazs - 2013-03-22 5:58 PM MRGIBBS - 2013-03-22 11:58 AM I don't think hyponatremic is the problem becasue if many of the athletes had this condition that would mean many would literally die on the course. That is a life threatening issue if you drink too much water and don't have enough sodium. Dehydration, now that's a definite possiblity. I hope it's 85+ degrees on race day. That will be nice and cool for us Texans. mruss77 - 2013-03-21 5:51 PM I've been looking at last years results. It seems everyone was significantly slower in the third 6 miles of the marathon. Looking at the course elevation, there doesn't seem to be an explanation for why. Any ideas from people who have run the course? Not sure how you guys get these quotes in your note, but I will try this and see if it works. For the athletes finishing under 12 hours, you are finishing at the peak heat of the day. If there is not a breeze off the lake it can be quite warm. Many of the athletes are borderline hyponatremic(Low blood sodium) and dehydrated at this time, and combined with fatigue and the heat affect run times. Esp in the last 10K. Staying wet(evaporative cooling) and increasing salt through the run can help times. For me the heat off the buildings and streeets in town from mile 11 to 14 is fatiguing even with the help of the spectators. ![]() I disagree about 85+. I moved from Austin to Boulder to get away from that heat. 70 and sunny is what I'm hoping for. Tell Jack I say "Hello" I know he doesn't remember me. Unless you say, that guy who called and asked for you to get his bike out of transition when Bastrop and Steiner Ranch was on fire two years ago. He did me a huge favorite. Lets meet up in C d'Alene. I'd like to meet you. I'll be back in Austin for Longhorn 70.3 in August. ![]() At least us northerners will be acclimated to the frigid, freezing, bone-chilling water Now that is true! I am NOT looking forward to that cold water. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So much for nice weather today, got some wind, sleet, cold, etc on my 50 miler today. Also the two screws that hold on my seat bottle holder snapped off. It was awkward riding the final 27 miles with the entire contraption resting on my handlebars. I think if something like that happens on race day, I will be leaving it behind! |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I had my first race of 2013, a 15k road race. It was a cold 30 degrees but that kept the dirt roads frozen instead of muddy. Overall, it went really well and I set a PR at 1:07:24 on a very hilly course. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() maverickbassets - 2013-03-21 12:41 PM That sound slike a great epic run. Can you imagine how it would be to be stuck in golf ball sized hail? Man would that suck. My kit for the race is done. I'm pretty excited to get it and break it in. Kind of makes me feel like the race is right around the corner.
Your race kit looks great.....does make it feel like the race is getting close. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OnYourLeft - 2013-03-23 6:38 PM I had my first race of 2013, a 15k road race. It was a cold 30 degrees but that kept the dirt roads frozen instead of muddy. Overall, it went really well and I set a PR at 1:07:24 on a very hilly course. Congrats on the PR. That's always fun. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() smithe68 - 2013-03-23 5:43 PM So much for nice weather today, got some wind, sleet, cold, etc on my 50 miler today. Also the two screws that hold on my seat bottle holder snapped off. It was awkward riding the final 27 miles with the entire contraption resting on my handlebars. I think if something like that happens on race day, I will be leaving it behind! I hope nothing like this happens on Race day, way to stick out what sounds like a tough ride. A couple of weeks ago I had my front shifter slip during my long ride and I couldn't get into my big gear.....don't know what I would do if that happened during a race. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mruss77 - 2013-03-21 7:31 PM edawno - 2013-03-21 7:25 PM As I always say its not the first 20 of a marathon that hurt, its the last 6. The course is not all that hard I bet it is just fatigue of the day for most people. I know for me after that last turn around and you head back towards town, it can be a long 6 miles but also very exciting and rewarding. Totally makes sense. The pace seems to pick up in the last six though. I would think it got progressively worse. I was on the course last year and those were my slowest miles but according to my garmin the average pace for that section was faster than what shows on the website. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OnYourLeft - 2013-03-23 8:38 PM I had my first race of 2013, a 15k road race. It was a cold 30 degrees but that kept the dirt roads frozen instead of muddy. Overall, it went really well and I set a PR at 1:07:24 on a very hilly course. That is great. I know how you feel about frozen instead of muddy. We run every sunday on the trails and this weekend would have been a sloppy mess if it had been 10 degrees warmer. Anyone else feeling a little burned out? I'm starting a recovery week and I'm ready to be done with the long weeks or riding in the basement and running in the late afternoons. Actually I think I'm only slightly tired of it, but my wife and kids are completly tired of it which wears on me. I'm thinking about skipping a few days this week and just spending itme at home doing nothing with the family. Have a great weeke everyone. Also Happy early Easter if I don't post again this week. Edited by maverickbassets 2013-03-25 3:37 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() johnyutah5 - 2013-03-25 8:34 AM smithe68 - 2013-03-23 5:43 PM So much for nice weather today, got some wind, sleet, cold, etc on my 50 miler today. Also the two screws that hold on my seat bottle holder snapped off. It was awkward riding the final 27 miles with the entire contraption resting on my handlebars. I think if something like that happens on race day, I will be leaving it behind! I hope nothing like this happens on Race day, way to stick out what sounds like a tough ride. A couple of weeks ago I had my front shifter slip during my long ride and I couldn't get into my big gear.....don't know what I would do if that happened during a race. I had a shifter bust last year at about mile 20 during a hilly HIM. Left me with no way to shift the cassette and it was in stuck in the large cog. So I was left with only front chain ring for gear selection. Great for hills, cr@p for everything else. I think I averaged like 15mph for the rest of the course. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() slightly burned right now as well but I think thats mostly due to having my longest bike/run weekend to date and not recovering well (ie too many beers and not enough sleep) so while this is my recovery week I still only did 3/4's of my swim workout yesterday, then slept like a log last night. Popped up this AM and knocked out my bike and trans run and am feeling much better. From here on out I've decided to cut the beers drastically so my body does not have to deal with the empty calories and focus on getting as much recovery as possible to keep up with the demands. |
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