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 2014-02-18 9:27 PM in reply to: GregDufour |
Extreme Veteran  1704    Penticton, BC |  Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPENOriginally posted by GregDufour Got a 5KM Trial Run this Saturday. My first competition in 7 years. Pretty excited. Really hope the weather isn't complete garbage, but I'm sure it will be. Greg - Enjoy your race and when you're running pretend you're chasing that young lady and run real fast. Don't worry about the weather it'll be fine. (So into my mind pops, "Que sera sera" "Whatever will be, will be"...So, how old do you have to be to remember that?) |
| 2014-02-18 9:55 PM in reply to: #4917473 |
82 | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Just finished my first 10 km non stop(only stopped to stretch after 1 km and walked a lap after 5km) 1:02:25 feeling pretty darn good about my self |
| 2014-02-18 10:04 PM in reply to: tatous |
Extreme Veteran 1704 Penticton, BC | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by tatous Hi Anna! Welcome! I think you guys might have a point re tiredness and nutrition, I'm always craving the wrong stuff (and end up overeating) so despite all the training, I'm struggling to lose weight. I just can't seem to find a balance. Maybe need a prescribed diet plan for a couple of weeks, it's just hard to find one that takes into account the training, does anyone know any? Tay - There is lots on nutrition here on BT and the internet. I also belong to another mentor group that is just about eating clean (Enders_shadow's Group) go in and check out the group sometimes if you're curious. It shows as "closed" but I'm sure they'd welcome you. Its a great resource for ideas and recipes for things that are easy, healthy and tasty. My wife just finished a 30 day Smoothie Challenge that I could get you info on if you're interested (She was giving me her excess each day and now that she's finished I miss it and an easy way to get your fruit and veggies too). There is also a different eating challenge based on a paleo diet called "Whole 30" which may or may not work for you. Some of the ladies in my other group are following it and enjoying it. Then - My wife was having cholesterol issues last year and was determined not to go on medication (tabs) so she started eating vegan (I'm still carnivorous) and it has been no problem at all. The biggest shock was she lost 17lbs/8kilos that just fell off. So consider that as well and if you want more info I'll get it from her or put you in touch with her. I don't know how much you know about workout nutrition but after every workout (within an hour max) you need some protein. Chocolate milk is really popular but even just a glass of 1 or 2% milk, some almonds, bagel and peanut butter or anything else you like. If you have "Hammer" products available to you consider some Recoverite (two scoops in milk after a workout). I use it and like it but it is relatively expensive and you can do cheaper variations. You need to have a plan of what you want to eat unfortunately it isn't very easy to do. I hope this little bit is a start for you. |
| 2014-02-18 10:14 PM in reply to: ktoolz |
Extreme Veteran 1704 Penticton, BC | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by ktoolz Just finished my first 10 km non stop(only stopped to stretch after 1 km and walked a lap after 5km) 1:02:25 feeling pretty darn good about my self Kyle - That's awesome. You should feel good about it. My goal is to run 10K under 1:00 this year and to run 5K under :30. This was my goal for last year as well but I didn't run often enough. |
| 2014-02-19 4:27 AM in reply to: wenceslasz |
Member 451 Gold Coast, Australia | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by wenceslasz What training plan are you following for your HIM? And, when is your HIM? It seems daunting when you start training but a good plan builds you up so that what seems impossible when you start becomes normal and comfortable in no time. Last year my 1st event was a duathlon. I thought it would be easy and it almost killed me (so I felt at the time). Four months later and several events finished my last event of the season was an Olympic race and with minimal training after my Challenge event a couple weeks before I just breezed through the Oly including my best run by far ever. The difference between the 1st and last was incredible. The HIM is at the end of August and I don't currently have a proper plan, I do feel that's something I need to develop and stick to. I've whiled away quite a few hours looking at stock plans on the internet, but most of them seem to be aimed at people with more free time and flexibility than I have. I've got a fairly random work and family schedule so it's difficult to set training sessios day by day, and I'm a member of our local triathlon club so I'm trying to incorporate some of those sessions as well (mostly for fun and camaraderie, the training is a close second). I've been working with Joe Friels' Triathlete's Training Bible, and so far I've just sketched out the outline of the next few months: how far to run/bike etc by a cretain date, upcoming smaller events, when to build base, peak, taper etc. Does anyone else use just this sort of a broad-brush approach, does it work, are there pitfalls a HIM distance newbie like me should be looking out for? Or is it better to try and follow a tried and true plan as best I can, even though I'll be chopping and changing a lot? Cheers, Anna |
| 2014-02-19 4:33 AM in reply to: ktoolz |
Member 451 Gold Coast, Australia | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by ktoolz Just finished my first 10 km non stop(only stopped to stretch after 1 km and walked a lap after 5km) 1:02:25 feeling pretty darn good about my self It's a real milestone, isn't it? Feels great to crack that distance, and that's a pretty respectable time, too. |
| 2014-02-19 5:26 AM in reply to: Taringa |
Member 1293 Pearland,Tx | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by Taringa Originally posted by wenceslasz What training plan are you following for your HIM? And, when is your HIM? It seems daunting when you start training but a good plan builds you up so that what seems impossible when you start becomes normal and comfortable in no time. Last year my 1st event was a duathlon. I thought it would be easy and it almost killed me (so I felt at the time). Four months later and several events finished my last event of the season was an Olympic race and with minimal training after my Challenge event a couple weeks before I just breezed through the Oly including my best run by far ever. The difference between the 1st and last was incredible. The HIM is at the end of August and I don't currently have a proper plan, I do feel that's something I need to develop and stick to. I've whiled away quite a few hours looking at stock plans on the internet, but most of them seem to be aimed at people with more free time and flexibility than I have. I've got a fairly random work and family schedule so it's difficult to set training sessios day by day, and I'm a member of our local triathlon club so I'm trying to incorporate some of those sessions as well (mostly for fun and camaraderie, the training is a close second). I've been working with Joe Friels' Triathlete's Training Bible, and so far I've just sketched out the outline of the next few months: how far to run/bike etc by a cretain date, upcoming smaller events, when to build base, peak, taper etc. Does anyone else use just this sort of a broad-brush approach, does it work, are there pitfalls a HIM distance newbie like me should be looking out for? Or is it better to try and follow a tried and true plan as best I can, even though I'll be chopping and changing a lot? Cheers, Anna Anna if you want a time friendly HIM plan i have a Be Iron Fit By Don Fink just finish very doable lmk carlo |
| 2014-02-19 11:20 AM in reply to: Taringa |
Veteran 493 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by Taringa I think that's such a subjective thing. Some people really need a strict schedule, some people are much better off with a looser guideline. I think for your first time it's more important to have fun with it and not totally burn yourself out, so it sounds like your 'plan' is a solid one. Look at Chris' story above; he just kind of did his own thing and ended up doing very well in his HIM. Now that doesn't mean one should slack off, but there's no reason the broad-brush approach if actually stuck with, shouldn't get you across the finish line.The HIM is at the end of August and I don't currently have a proper plan, I do feel that's something I need to develop and stick to. I've whiled away quite a few hours looking at stock plans on the internet, but most of them seem to be aimed at people with more free time and flexibility than I have. I've got a fairly random work and family schedule so it's difficult to set training sessios day by day, and I'm a member of our local triathlon club so I'm trying to incorporate some of those sessions as well (mostly for fun and camaraderie, the training is a close second). I've been working with Joe Friels' Triathlete's Training Bible, and so far I've just sketched out the outline of the next few months: how far to run/bike etc by a cretain date, upcoming smaller events, when to build base, peak, taper etc. Does anyone else use just this sort of a broad-brush approach, does it work, are there pitfalls a HIM distance newbie like me should be looking out for? Or is it better to try and follow a tried and true plan as best I can, even though I'll be chopping and changing a lot? Cheers, Anna That having been said, the experts are experts for a reason. A plan tailored for you by a coach who follows your progress as you stick with the plan is nearly undebatebly the path towards the best possible time. Someday I hope to have time for that I've more or less followed the broad-brush approach during my few years doing triathlons, and I've never DNF'ed yet. But I've also felt that with more quantity and quality training I could have done much better. |
| 2014-02-19 8:03 PM in reply to: ktoolz |
Master 2484 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by ktoolz Just finished my first 10 km non stop(only stopped to stretch after 1 km and walked a lap after 5km) 1:02:25 feeling pretty darn good about my self Congrats! |
| 2014-02-19 8:52 PM in reply to: Taringa |
Master 2484 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by Taringa Originally posted by wenceslasz What training plan are you following for your HIM? And, when is your HIM? It seems daunting when you start training but a good plan builds you up so that what seems impossible when you start becomes normal and comfortable in no time. Last year my 1st event was a duathlon. I thought it would be easy and it almost killed me (so I felt at the time). Four months later and several events finished my last event of the season was an Olympic race and with minimal training after my Challenge event a couple weeks before I just breezed through the Oly including my best run by far ever. The difference between the 1st and last was incredible. The HIM is at the end of August and I don't currently have a proper plan, I do feel that's something I need to develop and stick to. I've whiled away quite a few hours looking at stock plans on the internet, but most of them seem to be aimed at people with more free time and flexibility than I have. I've got a fairly random work and family schedule so it's difficult to set training sessios day by day, and I'm a member of our local triathlon club so I'm trying to incorporate some of those sessions as well (mostly for fun and camaraderie, the training is a close second). I've been working with Joe Friels' Triathlete's Training Bible, and so far I've just sketched out the outline of the next few months: how far to run/bike etc by a cretain date, upcoming smaller events, when to build base, peak, taper etc. Does anyone else use just this sort of a broad-brush approach, does it work, are there pitfalls a HIM distance newbie like me should be looking out for? Or is it better to try and follow a tried and true plan as best I can, even though I'll be chopping and changing a lot? Cheers, Anna Anna, I'm reposting my thoughts on training plans from earlier in the thread. A couple more thoughts I missed earlier, the number of hours spent racing a HIM follow a ratio of approximately 3:2:1 bike:run:swim, so to get faster it makes sense to spend most of your training time biking and the second most running. In my post below I put a link to the HIM plan I roughly followed. I liked having it online so I could look at it from anywhere. I never hit all the work outs but tried not to miss the long rides/runs and bricks. I also tried to get at least 1 swim, 2-3 runs and 2-3 rides in a week. Repost - Regarding training plans To chose a plan when I started, I googled free plans and compared several then chose one I liked. Choosing a plan really comes down to a few things, namely 1. How much training time do you have per week? 2. What discipline do you need the most work in? 3. How much training can your body take without breaking down or becoming too tired? The answer to these questions change over time and so should your plan. I suggest picking a free plan on BT or elsewhere then modify it to suit your needs. If the distances/times of a plan seem to low, go ahead and increase them. Most plans follow a few basic rules such as 1. Have a rest day 2. Build for three weeks ~10%/week then step back ~20-30% on week 4 to allow your body to recover 3. Have some hard intensity workouts and some easy 4. Have some brick workouts 5. Taper the last week of training For my last few tri's I loosely followed a plan from Gale Bernhardt's book Training Plans for Multisport Athlete's which I recommend along with Joe Friel's Triathlete's Bible. I put Gale's HIM plan on a google spreadsheet so I could access it from anywhere. Here is the link if you want to check it out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar5EpJvYM2b1dEs0VjFhZlR... A few things I changed due to my time constraints. 1. I didn't do any strength training opting to use all my time for SBR. I don't necessarily recommend that approach. 2. I only did 1 or 2 swim workouts per week since it is the shortest leg of a tri. When I was learning to swim, I went 3x per week until I could swim 2500-3000 yards without issues. 3. I rearranged things until I found my ideal schedule was as follows Monday AM off Monday PM swim Tuesday AM run Tuesday PM bike Wednesday AM off Wednesday PM swim Thursday AM run Thursday PM bike Friday off Saturday long run Sunday long ride That said, I rarely if ever hit all 8 workouts, I typically hit 4-6 workouts due to time constraints, fatigue and/or motivation. Hope that helps. ----- |
| 2014-02-19 9:16 PM in reply to: Taringa |
Extreme Veteran 1704 Penticton, BC | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by Taringa The HIM is at the end of August and I don't currently have a proper plan, I do feel that's something I need to develop and stick to. I've whiled away quite a few hours looking at stock plans on the internet, but most of them seem to be aimed at people with more free time and flexibility than I have. I've got a fairly random work and family schedule so it's difficult to set training sessios day by day, and I'm a member of our local triathlon club so I'm trying to incorporate some of those sessions as well (mostly for fun and camaraderie, the training is a close second). I've been working with Joe Friels' Triathlete's Training Bible, and so far I've just sketched out the outline of the next few months: how far to run/bike etc by a cretain date, upcoming smaller events, when to build base, peak, taper etc. Does anyone else use just this sort of a broad-brush approach, does it work, are there pitfalls a HIM distance newbie like me should be looking out for? Or is it better to try and follow a tried and true plan as best I can, even though I'll be chopping and changing a lot? Cheers, Anna I was going to tell you about Mike's (Ransick) spreadsheet for HIM Training but Joe and Mike have covered it pretty well. The spreadsheet was the training plan I used for my HIM last year and it worked quite well for me. I seem to need a bit more guidance in my workouts or else I get a bit lazy. I also liked what Mike said about 3(bike) 2(run) & 1(swim). I'm a very weak runner so I should have given it better focus. I hope I am correcting that this year. Your local triathlon club should have a lot of good info for you as well. You should also check out Carlo's "Be Iron Fit". I'm not familiar with it but it wouldn't hurt to see if it would work for you. With your event being in late August now is the time to start your training. |
| 2014-02-19 9:33 PM in reply to: wenceslasz |
Extreme Veteran 1704 Penticton, BC | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN I had a good swim and run today. In the pool I was doing some faster than usual swimming and even pulling ahead of a fellow I usually can't keep up with. At one point I was swimming a length and I realized my stroke came together and it was really amazing and then I hit the wall and turned to return... and it was all gone. I reverted to my same old stroke and I had completely lost it. It was really disappointing but I'm not too worried. I figure it was a neat glimpse of what I hope will become normal for me but it sure was fun while it lasted. After the swim I got home feeling great and the sun was out, the weather was warm (bit windy though) so I changed and went for another 8K run. I had to walk at 3 traffic lights but all of my running was a fairly consistent 7:04/km or about 11:20/mi. I felt really good the whole run and in the last half km I was accelerating and running about 6:45/km. Usually, I am a lot slower and plodding for the last bit of my run. Today was my 4th run of this same route and each of my runs has been a few minutes faster than the previous run. I'm thinking of running 10K for my next run. |
| 2014-02-20 4:16 AM in reply to: wenceslasz |
Member 451 Gold Coast, Australia | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Wow, thanks everyone for all the advice and input re: training plans, there's some good solid common sense in those words Mike, thanks for putting the planning principles out in a good succinct form, I can understand things in lists and point format. The bike/run/swim ratio is a useful thing to be reminded of also, it's pretty well the exact opposite of my strengths. More work needed on the bike for sure! Your spreadsheet sounds like a great idea, but I can't seem to open it...any tricks to getting in? (I'm signed in to google but it says "not a valid spreadsheet URL"). Thanks. I'm also trying to work out how to incorporate a few strength workouts, I was doing 1-2 days a week before I injured myself (late December) but I haven't really done any since then and I'm starting to feel weaker, especially around the knee area. So much to try and fit in! |
.| 2014-02-20 4:43 AM in reply to: ktoolz |
Member 138 | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by ktoolz Just finished my first 10 km non stop(only stopped to stretch after 1 km and walked a lap after 5km) 1:02:25 feeling pretty darn good about my self Congratulations!! Next thing you'll be wanting an 'under an hour' 10k (which, if this was just in training, you could probably already do in a race).  |
| 2014-02-20 5:00 AM in reply to: wenceslasz |
Member 138 | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by wenceslasz Originally posted by tatous Hi Anna! Welcome! I think you guys might have a point re tiredness and nutrition, I'm always craving the wrong stuff (and end up overeating) so despite all the training, I'm struggling to lose weight. I just can't seem to find a balance. Maybe need a prescribed diet plan for a couple of weeks, it's just hard to find one that takes into account the training, does anyone know any? Tay - There is lots on nutrition here on BT and the internet. I also belong to another mentor group that is just about eating clean (Enders_shadow's Group) go in and check out the group sometimes if you're curious. It shows as "closed" but I'm sure they'd welcome you. Its a great resource for ideas and recipes for things that are easy, healthy and tasty. My wife just finished a 30 day Smoothie Challenge that I could get you info on if you're interested (She was giving me her excess each day and now that she's finished I miss it and an easy way to get your fruit and veggies too). There is also a different eating challenge based on a paleo diet called "Whole 30" which may or may not work for you. Some of the ladies in my other group are following it and enjoying it. Then - My wife was having cholesterol issues last year and was determined not to go on medication (tabs) so she started eating vegan (I'm still carnivorous) and it has been no problem at all. The biggest shock was she lost 17lbs/8kilos that just fell off. So consider that as well and if you want more info I'll get it from her or put you in touch with her. I don't know how much you know about workout nutrition but after every workout (within an hour max) you need some protein. Chocolate milk is really popular but even just a glass of 1 or 2% milk, some almonds, bagel and peanut butter or anything else you like. If you have "Hammer" products available to you consider some Recoverite (two scoops in milk after a workout). I use it and like it but it is relatively expensive and you can do cheaper variations. You need to have a plan of what you want to eat unfortunately it isn't very easy to do. I hope this little bit is a start for you. My problem is that I kinda know what I SHOULD be doing, but unless it's really structured in black and white I end up not sticking to it. I think I'm not eating enough for the amount of training I'm doing which in turn is making me overeat if that makes sense. For example: I know I'm supposed to eat after the workout, but sometimes I'm running late so I just have a banana and convince myself that it was enough until I get to the office and eat a bowl of porridge. But clearly it isn't because by the time I get to the office I eat the porridge and 4 rounds of toast with butter... What I was hoping for was something like 'nutrition for dummies', like, breakfast: 2 scrambled eggs and one slice of toast, protein smoothie after workout, mid morning snack whatever... Do you know what I mean? (I'm typing this and realising maybe all I need to do is just plan ahead and create a menu myself, will look at your thread for ideas). About your wife's smoothie challenge... I like the sound of it. How much does she workout? |
| 2014-02-20 6:47 AM in reply to: tatous |
| 82 | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by tatous Originally posted by ktoolz Just finished my first 10 km non stop(only stopped to stretch after 1 km and walked a lap after 5km) 1:02:25 feeling pretty darn good about my self Congratulations!! Next thing you'll be wanting an 'under an hour' 10k (which, if this was just in training, you could probably already do in a race). Yeah I will definitely be aiming for a sub 1 hr 10 k, it will take some time but If I can drop the 30ish pounds I am carrying around that will definitely help. I kind of have a 1:30:00 min time frame in mind for sprint. But its going to be tight even with my best 20 km bike and 5 km run its only going to leave me 20 - 25 mins for the swim (which I will need at least 15 mins ) and transitions.(I need to stop putting off working with that masters group my swim needs work  ) Any way folks heading out of town for a couple of days. This camp is bigger and permanent so it has a gym so I should still be able to do something |
| 2014-02-20 10:22 AM in reply to: tatous |
Veteran 493 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by tatousMy problem is that I kinda know what I SHOULD be doing, but unless it's really structured in black and white I end up not sticking to it. I think I'm not eating enough for the amount of training I'm doing which in turn is making me overeat if that makes sense. For example: I know I'm supposed to eat after the workout, but sometimes I'm running late so I just have a banana and convince myself that it was enough until I get to the office and eat a bowl of porridge. But clearly it isn't because by the time I get to the office I eat the porridge and 4 rounds of toast with butter... What I was hoping for was something like 'nutrition for dummies', like, breakfast: 2 scrambled eggs and one slice of toast, protein smoothie after workout, mid morning snack whatever... Do you know what I mean? (I'm typing this and realising maybe all I need to do is just plan ahead and create a menu myself, will look at your thread for ideas). About your wife's smoothie challenge... I like the sound of it. How much does she workout? I strongly second the chocolate milk post-workout recommendation given above. A good glass of 1% or 2% chocolate milk has been shown to be one of if not the best recovery drink there is. The combo of the protien, carbs, and sugars, and fat is exactly what your body needs. And the fat from the milk will help you feel full. If you're going to just have a banana, throw some peanut butter on it (preferrably the non-sugar and salt loaded variety) to get some protein at least. |
| 2014-02-20 11:25 AM in reply to: Taringa |
Master 2484 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by Taringa Wow, thanks everyone for all the advice and input re: training plans, there's some good solid common sense in those words Mike, thanks for putting the planning principles out in a good succinct form, I can understand things in lists and point format. The bike/run/swim ratio is a useful thing to be reminded of also, it's pretty well the exact opposite of my strengths. More work needed on the bike for sure! Your spreadsheet sounds like a great idea, but I can't seem to open it...any tricks to getting in? (I'm signed in to google but it says "not a valid spreadsheet URL"). Thanks. I'm also trying to work out how to incorporate a few strength workouts, I was doing 1-2 days a week before I injured myself (late December) but I haven't really done any since then and I'm starting to feel weaker, especially around the knee area. So much to try and fit in! Try this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar5EpJvYM2b1dEs0VjFhZlR... If that doesn't work, DM me your email address and I'll mail you a link from the Google spreadsheet. |
| 2014-02-20 10:30 PM in reply to: tatous |
Extreme Veteran 1704 Penticton, BC | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by tatous Originally posted by wenceslasz Originally posted by tatous Hi Anna! Welcome! I think you guys might have a point re tiredness and nutrition, I'm always craving the wrong stuff (and end up overeating) so despite all the training, I'm struggling to lose weight. I just can't seem to find a balance. Maybe need a prescribed diet plan for a couple of weeks, it's just hard to find one that takes into account the training, does anyone know any? Tay - There is lots on nutrition here on BT and the internet. I also belong to another mentor group that is just about eating clean (Enders_shadow's Group) go in and check out the group sometimes if you're curious. It shows as "closed" but I'm sure they'd welcome you. Its a great resource for ideas and recipes for things that are easy, healthy and tasty. My wife just finished a 30 day Smoothie Challenge that I could get you info on if you're interested (She was giving me her excess each day and now that she's finished I miss it and an easy way to get your fruit and veggies too). There is also a different eating challenge based on a paleo diet called "Whole 30" which may or may not work for you. Some of the ladies in my other group are following it and enjoying it. Then - My wife was having cholesterol issues last year and was determined not to go on medication (tabs) so she started eating vegan (I'm still carnivorous) and it has been no problem at all. The biggest shock was she lost 17lbs/8kilos that just fell off. So consider that as well and if you want more info I'll get it from her or put you in touch with her. I don't know how much you know about workout nutrition but after every workout (within an hour max) you need some protein. Chocolate milk is really popular but even just a glass of 1 or 2% milk, some almonds, bagel and peanut butter or anything else you like. If you have "Hammer" products available to you consider some Recoverite (two scoops in milk after a workout). I use it and like it but it is relatively expensive and you can do cheaper variations. You need to have a plan of what you want to eat unfortunately it isn't very easy to do. I hope this little bit is a start for you. My problem is that I kinda know what I SHOULD be doing, but unless it's really structured in black and white I end up not sticking to it. I think I'm not eating enough for the amount of training I'm doing which in turn is making me overeat if that makes sense. For example: I know I'm supposed to eat after the workout, but sometimes I'm running late so I just have a banana and convince myself that it was enough until I get to the office and eat a bowl of porridge. But clearly it isn't because by the time I get to the office I eat the porridge and 4 rounds of toast with butter... What I was hoping for was something like 'nutrition for dummies', like, breakfast: 2 scrambled eggs and one slice of toast, protein smoothie after workout, mid morning snack whatever... Do you know what I mean? (I'm typing this and realising maybe all I need to do is just plan ahead and create a menu myself, will look at your thread for ideas). About your wife's smoothie challenge... I like the sound of it. How much does she workout? You're right that you need a plan that suits you. Your breakfast plan is a good start but as Joe suggests add some peanut butter (I prefer Almond butter) to your toast and if you need it maybe another slice of toast or fruit. Just come up with a lunch, dinner and snack plan and factor in some flexibility so you don't get bored with it. By the way, I consider porridge to be a good quality breakfast and I eat it at least 5 days a week. I like to add a tbsp. of hemp hearts to it for additional fibre and protein. Like you, I should know what to do but somehow it just isn't that simple is it. Just to add emphasis to what Joe said about Chocolate milk - You must drink a glass of chocolate milk after every good workout. Besides it tastes good. After my last Oly I had a full litre of Choc milk and savoured each mouthful. Yum! My wife doesn't workout like we do. She goes to line dancing classes 4 days a week. Kind of like a steady zone 2 level aerobic activity. When she lost her weight it was all from her change in diet to vegan (and no Soy products). She didn't lose weight from the smoothie challenge probably because she had already lost weight. She did find she really likes the smoothies and we'll likely keep having them. The smoothie challenge is on a website in Vancouver, BC and it is ongoing so you can start anytime. Google "Lulora" then look for "green smoothie challenge". If you can't find it or you'd rather just get the recipes and shopping lists I can get my wife to email them to you (just pm me your email address). Most of the smoothies are quite good a couple were less yummy but none were gross although they all look weird and a couple look like something from a diaper. |
| 2014-02-20 10:35 PM in reply to: ransick |
Extreme Veteran 1704 Penticton, BC | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by ransick Originally posted by Taringa Wow, thanks everyone for all the advice and input re: training plans, there's some good solid common sense in those words Mike, thanks for putting the planning principles out in a good succinct form, I can understand things in lists and point format. The bike/run/swim ratio is a useful thing to be reminded of also, it's pretty well the exact opposite of my strengths. More work needed on the bike for sure! Your spreadsheet sounds like a great idea, but I can't seem to open it...any tricks to getting in? (I'm signed in to google but it says "not a valid spreadsheet URL"). Thanks. I'm also trying to work out how to incorporate a few strength workouts, I was doing 1-2 days a week before I injured myself (late December) but I haven't really done any since then and I'm starting to feel weaker, especially around the knee area. So much to try and fit in! Try this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar5EpJvYM2b1dEs0VjFhZlR... If that doesn't work, DM me your email address and I'll mail you a link from the Google spreadsheet. When I tried to open the spreadsheet I got the same answer as Anna got but tonight I got in easily. Its a great spreadsheet and plan. I love being able to see it the way the spreadsheet allows. |
| 2014-02-21 3:23 AM in reply to: wenceslasz |
Member 451 Gold Coast, Australia | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN I've just had a look at that link and opened it no problems. You've put a lot of work into that! That's a great way to lay it all out, it looks a bit complicated at first glance but it's really quite easy to follow. I've downloaded it, I'll modify it a bit to fit my available time and planned events, and the job's done! (Then I just have to do the training). Thanks very much for the link, it will be very useful I had a nice 2km swim in the pool this morning, just a steady no-fuss pace. We seem to be in the middle of a heat- and humidity-wave here in Brisbane, everything and every day is hot, sticky, uncomfortable. The pool at 6am is one of the few places you can feel cool for a while. |
| 2014-02-21 9:56 AM in reply to: Taringa |
Master 2484 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN It was a little work putting all that data in the spreadsheet, but was well worth it. Every week, I would open the spreadsheet form anywhere and decide which days I would do which workouts. I ended up with a printed copy on my desk at work when I was in the obsession phase of training :-) |
| 2014-02-21 12:18 PM in reply to: #4951828 |
Member 138 | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Tried a variation of the chocolate milk post workout - almond milk with a chocolate protein powder. Didn't work, i had the porridge with banana, and an apple, and half an orange. Had pasta and chicken and veg for lunch but by mid afternoon I reached for the chocolate bars and ate way more calories than I burned this morning... really disappointed, but I'm going to try a set menu next week... what's everyones plans for the weekend? |
| 2014-02-21 1:18 PM in reply to: tatous |
Veteran 493 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by tatous Tried a variation of the chocolate milk post workout - almond milk with a chocolate protein powder. Didn't work, i had the porridge with banana, and an apple, and half an orange. Had pasta and chicken and veg for lunch but by mid afternoon I reached for the chocolate bars and ate way more calories than I burned this morning... I mean that all sounds great except for the chocolate bars at the end. Honestly I don't think there is a magical answer. You're going to get hungry in the afternoon, and there's really no getting around it. Either have a healthier option available to munch on or mentally force yourself to go without. But people make millions of dollars marketing solutions to the issue you're describing, and if any one particular solution actually worked the owner of that one would make billions. really disappointed, but I'm going to try a set menu next week... what's everyones plans for the weekend? Chocolate milk is good recovery, useful when you've got a second workout that day and when you've fatigued your muscles, but you don't need it after every workout. If you didn't work your muscles hard and/or you aren't recovering for a pending second workout that day, then it's just more calories. It's not going to fill you up. It's worth noting that breakfast and lunch are when you should be having higher (healthy) fat and higher protein foods. The fat helps you stay fuller longer. Fat isn't what makes you fat, sugars are. And un-used carbs. Carbs aren't the devil, but you've got to use them for them to be good. Eating more in the morning and at lunch isn't necessarily going to eliminate all hunger in the afternoon. But you're much better off eating a large breakfast and lunch and small snack in the afternoon and small dinner than the opposite. I'm not trying to be debby downer, but it's a tough topic. Studies are showing that sugar is one of the most addictive substances on the planet. I have a very hard time avoiding sweets myself. The way I see it, I don't mind taking in extra calories, as long as it's not candy or other sweet empty calories. It seems like that should be an easy thing to put into practice, but the reality somehow is more difficult. Regarding this weekend, I've got one of my best friends visiting from far away, so I"m not sure I'll get anything done...but it'll be a good weekend
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| 2014-02-21 5:16 PM in reply to: tatous |
Master 2484 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Hashers and Mashers Part 2 - OPEN Originally posted by tatous Tried a variation of the chocolate milk post workout - almond milk with a chocolate protein powder. Didn't work, i had the porridge with banana, and an apple, and half an orange. Had pasta and chicken and veg for lunch but by mid afternoon I reached for the chocolate bars and ate way more calories than I burned this morning... really disappointed, but I'm going to try a set menu next week... what's everyones plans for the weekend? If you like nuts, keep a jar of almonds, peanuts, cashews or sun flower seeds handy. I try to reach for that instead of candy. As for the weekend, my typical Saturday is sleep in -> drink coffee and surf the net -> run -> lunch date with my wife -> errands -> happy hour -> cook out -> watch a movie or TV with my wife This Sunday I leave again on business. Illness in Lubbock Texas, Houston and Cleveland Ohio. I can't remember which hasher is in Houston. When I figure it out, I'll DM my hotel and see if we can meet somewhere for a drink. I'll probably have to go out on a business dinner do it will be a long shot. |
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