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2009-11-18 6:06 PM
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Someone just sent me this link.
http://www.saris.com/athletes/PermaLink,guid,5272bd75-5f51-437d-a1a...

It looks like an interesting site.



2009-11-18 6:57 PM
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Weigh in this week: 189 (Hi 180's!!)

Nutrition: The others are probably more help in this department. While I've lost A LOT of weight I can't say I do anything special other then record all my food and try to make the best choices possible. I still have work to do as far as cleaning up my eating. I eat as close to South Beach as I can convince myself but I don't follow it as a strict program. My 2 key tips are write it down (including calories) and don't keep anything in the house you have control issues with. Even if it's a seemly healthy option it does you no favors if your constantly overdoing it. You can always re-introduce it later.

I wear a bodybugg which allows me to balance out my deficit so I get fairly predictable results. I try to get a deficit of 1000 calories a day... most of that is obtained through my training. Being female my BMR is stupid low something like 1700 or so.

And don't worry about the lawyer thing They don't act like most lawyers I've seen. The other 2 of us are artists. I'm not sure what Keel does though.

Thanks for the link Leah off to check it out.

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OK Leah..No Dairy?  I'm from Wisconsin and that is pretty near blasphemous.  I was already kicked out of the state for not drinking my quota of beer (I prefer fufu drinks with umbrellas) so I can only imagine what would happen to me if I stopped dairy. (I am thinking a hit teams of cows coming after me).  The Paleo seems too restrictive to me..especially for anything endurance related//however the zone seems to be more in line with what a lot of the coaches are preaching. I understand your no processed food mantra but honestly  - it is very hard to keep fresh food in the house without it going bad or without going to the grocery store everyday... I would appreciate a sample menu of yours for a day or two and any hints you can give me on how to avoid the processed foods.  My biggest issue is going out for lunch with the office - I have vowed to limit this to once a week at most..although I do not know if I could go 7 days without chick-fil-a.  I am now packing yogurt, a fruit of some sort and a sandwich..tuna salad..chicken salad (no fat mayo) or a low fat deli meat. ( with cheese of course)

 

P.S. Laila (lie-la) does not know what a princess is and asked for a volleyball and Bucky Badger on her birthday cake.  (She does have 7 babies that have to sleep with her in her new bed though)

2009-11-18 7:15 PM
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BTW Leah do you have a book you recommend about Paleo? How about Paleo recipies?

I'm trying to lean more toward that "less procesed" type of eating but I have to admit it's hard for me. I'm better then I was but I've never been a vegetable fan so it's always a challenge to me to squeeze enough in. I don't want to be strict about following a program just make better overall choices.

I've switched to whole grain stuff if I eat bread I try and make it sprouted grain (ezkel) and when I go out to eat I'll get the sandwich wrap w/o the bread if the place offers lettuce wraps... so I'm trying to transition as much as I can...

Not sure I could do without my flavored lattes though. (Sugar Free syrups don't cut it either)
2009-11-18 7:17 PM
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IdealMuse - 2009-11-18 5:57 PM Weigh in this week: 189 (Hi 180's!!) Nutrition: The others are probably more help in this department. While I've lost A LOT of weight I can't say I do anything special other then record all my food and try to make the best choices possible. I still have work to do as far as cleaning up my eating. I eat as close to South Beach as I can convince myself but I don't follow it as a strict program. My 2 key tips are write it down (including calories) and don't keep anything in the house you have control issues with. Even if it's a seemly healthy option it does you no favors if your constantly overdoing it. You can always re-introduce it later. I wear a bodybugg which allows me to balance out my deficit so I get fairly predictable results. I try to get a deficit of 1000 calories a day... most of that is obtained through my training. Being female my BMR is stupid low something like 1700 or so. And don't worry about the lawyer thing They don't act like most lawyers I've seen. The other 2 of us are artists. I'm not sure what Keel does though. Thanks for the link Leah off to check it out.

My biggest fear next to clowns is artists...What did I get myself into..I guess I better not let anyone here no that I am a little right of ghengis khan on the political spectrum..ok I'm not that bad. 

do you just keep a journal or do you track what you eat on the computer..and do you plan the menu out for the next day or just record what you eat.  Somehow I tend to forget to record the food on days that I eat badly but am very good on days I eat well.  Maybe I will track everything in my training log so that I can be demeaned by the lot of you..somehow this is a motivator to me.

Also..how do you like the bodybug?

2009-11-18 8:02 PM
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jdbadger - 2009-11-18 7:17 PM

My biggest fear next to clowns is artists...What did I get myself into..I guess I better not let anyone here no that I am a little right of ghengis khan on the political spectrum..ok I'm not that bad. 

do you just keep a journal or do you track what you eat on the computer..and do you plan the menu out for the next day or just record what you eat.  Somehow I tend to forget to record the food on days that I eat badly but am very good on days I eat well.  Maybe I will track everything in my training log so that I can be demeaned by the lot of you..somehow this is a motivator to me.

Also..how do you like the bodybug?



I won't hold your rightness against you either! My "artist" taste may be questionable , but other then that I'm fairly normal, quiet, shy, and easy going. Trust me I'm miles away from "clown" on the fear scale (Unless you take a look at my steel toe boots)

Bodybugg has a food journal incorporated into it - that's how you get the deficit balance between the calories I tell it I ate and what it senses what I've burned.

I don't plan out menus. Structured diets, menus, rules work great for some people but for me this is a lifestyle I have to sustain for the long haul. For me it's not a diet but trying to change the way I live and just make healthy choices as much as possible... therefore I have to make it easy. I allow for treats and mistakes... It's life.

I personally love the bodybugg. It's not for everyone, but it makes keeping on track a lot easier for me. It's shocking to see how little you burn some days sitting around. Theoretically you know this but it's another thing to see it charted all out.



2009-11-18 11:38 PM
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Hey gang.  Sorry I have been MIA.  I've been pretty busy and TIRED lately.  Here is my quick update.

Weigh-in:  I was up to 194 today.  This was after being 190 last week.  I think I'm over doing it on the days I have big work outs.  If I want to lose 15-20 by our HIM I need to get it together.  I think I'm going to go back to logging and tracking calories like Debb.  I'll start without the Bodybugg and see how I do.  (I might have said this exact same thing last week!)

Attorney/Artist:  I only practiced law for a couple of years and decided to take a "quality of life" job so I could enjoy my babies.  I now work at a law school running a program.  I enjoy being on campus.  My husband calls it the Fountain Of Youth.   Everyone thinks they can change the world.  I like that.  I have to admit I'm an artist Wannabe.  I like being creative but my only outlet is scrapbooking.  Love it!!     

Work outs:  I'm just doing ok.  I need to up the time and intensity a little if I want to do this HIM well in March.  It really helps me to see what everyone else is doing.  I am amazed at how hard pepole are working.  Check out everyone's logs!  People are kicking butt!  I probably don't say it enough but I really appreciate you all keeping me going. 

Ironman AZ:  I never got to go to lunch with my friend but I told him I was going to sign up.  I'm excited to see how he does.  Many of the racers are coming in for the race now.  It is pretty awesome.  We will be getting back to Phoenix on race day.  I'm going to try to go down to the race for a while and check it out.  I'm scared to death and STOKED to sign up.  Monday will be the big day. 

Bike Race:  I have a 66 mile ride on Saturday.  I'm excited.  My hubby and I are doing it together.  This will be his first ever race.  He is so cute and nervous about it.  My tribuddies are also riding - BroInLaw and Cute little tri girl.  We also have friends coming in from San Diego.  Should be funsville.  This will also be a big mental hurdle for me.  Knowing I can do the HIM distance is huge.  After that I just need to figure out how to put it together and do it faster. 

Cadence:  Thanks for the info Leah.  I am going to go visit the link and check it out.  

I'll catch you all later.  I'm happy we have Keeley and Scott joining us on this journey. 

2009-11-19 12:36 AM
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You can totally do it w/o a body bugg Kate. The Bugg is just a gadget in the end. Just another tool. You can look up how many calories your workout burns on your own.

BMR + Exercise = Calories Out
Food Intake = Calories In

1000 deficit/day for 2lb - 500 deficit/day for 1lb

Since your estimating it won't be like clockwork but should work in general. On your heavy workout days you might need more food but shouldn't need a tons more. Our workouts just aren't that intense yet.

My husbands been doing it with a program on his Itouch/Ipod. If you have one you might want to look into that. If not a lot of the online food journals basically do the same thing

Sparkpeople.com
fitday.com
dailyplate.com
myfooddiary.com (has a fee but the one I used to lose the first 60lbs)

Sorry I don't mean to sound like a know it all... and I know I'm repeating things I've already said...

BTW I now am 3/4 done with my weight loss! Woot!

Good luck with the long ride! How exciting!




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IdealMuse - 2009-11-18 11:36 PM BTW I now am 3/4 done with my weight loss! Woot! 

 

Awesome job!!

2009-11-19 11:25 PM
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I feel so lazy today.  I got in my swim this morning and that's all.  I did a bike time trial yesterday and while I didn't feel any pain during the ride, the medial part of my right knee was hurting when I got off the bike.  It just hurt, hurt to the touch and hurt no matter what I did.  But the good part of that was that it didn't hurt any different with walking or going up and down stairs, etc., so I really didn't think anything was seriously wrong, but it did hurt.  My plan called for a very easy bike ride today and I was considering doing that because  it was easy and I wasn't going to be putting any stress on my knees.  But I decided not to go and I am so glad because my knee is now pain-free.  Skipping the bike ride has put me a workout behind for the Stuffed Turkeys, but I think it was the right thing to do.  Tomorrow is only Crossfit and by Saturday I can resume my regular two-fers.

The moral of this story is that sometimes the right thing to do is rest.  This might be the first time I have practiced this and I am impressed that it works. 

What did everyone else get in today? 
2009-11-19 11:48 PM
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When we register for IMAZ on Monday, do we do it through their website or through Active.com?


2009-11-20 12:14 AM
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Hello everyone.  No work out for me today.  I'm having stomach problems.  I think it could be nerves for my ride this weekend.  Hubby is nervous too.  We know we will be pretty sore from our saddles.  I have a meeting until 3:00 and then we are heading down to Tucson.  I should be packing up now so I have everything I need ready to go when I get home tomorrow. 

Hmmm, now that I'm writing this I realize that the stress could be from my Ironman sign up.  I've doing doing some research this evening.  I'm sure that is adding to it. 

Not sure how much time I'll have to check in this weekend.  Everyone have a great one!! 

PS - Leah, did you improve on your time trial? 

2009-11-20 12:19 AM
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LeahDD - 2009-11-19 9:48 PM When we register for IMAZ on Monday, do we do it through their website or through Active.com?


Looks like the IMAZ website takes you to Active.  http://www.ironmanarizona.com/entry.php

2009-11-20 12:20 AM
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There should be a link on the website but it's just going to take you to active.com... at least this was true for IMOO.

Rest is always a good thing. Don't they say the most fitness increases come during rest periods? Don't feel guilty about taking it when you need it. You'll be better off in the long run.

I have to take 2 weeks rest per my IM coaches and I'm trying to decide if I want to do it now or in Dec/Jan. I'm going to be away next week anyway so it's logical to do it the next 2 weeks, but then I screw up the challenge numbers and have to start the bike program over. Maybe I should do the last 2 weeks in Jan... right before the Group training starts so I'm extra fresh?

I skipped swimming today too (I usually try and fit in 3x per week) ah well. I did do my trainer ride though.
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Drainer & Dread double whammy for me today. I'm really glad I have tomorrow off from running... i'm pooped. Trying to find that happy medium between feeling fatigued from not eating as much to lose weight while keeping the training consistent is difficult!

Hey anyone try mixing up bulk maltodextrin based hydration/nutrition bottles? I'm thinking about giving it a whirl w/ fruity teas as flavoring. It's supposed to be tons cheaper than buying brand-name mixes. Although i'm perfectly happy with gatorade and gu, they get boring after a while so i'm trying some new things out in prep for eventual transition to HIM training.

happy training all.

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2009-11-20 11:52 AM
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Hello Ladies:  I find it ineteresting that you all post late at night. I thought I was the only one on this website up after 9 p.m.

Debb - I left you an inspire with my 2 cents on when you should take time off from the training..and have fun with your family next week.

Kiri - I try not to mix my own anything...it never ends well and usually ends with stomach cramps of some sort. Also are you focused on running right now because it is your weakest sport, for weight loss or do you believe it gets you fit the fastest...or is there some other reason.

Kate - Have a great ride this weekend...what kind of bike do you have?

Leah - hope you get signed up for IMAZ without any problems.  A good friend of mine ( a top 20 age grouper) signed up for the inaugural IMAZ..trained all year and went down to compete without a wetsuit..of course the week of the race there were none to be found so he rented a scuba wet suit.   They ended up dragging his butt out of the water and sending him to the hospital with hypothermia...he almost got divorced over this because of course his wife had told him to buy a wetsuit beforehand.

I am leaving early today from work to take my two year old mountain bike shopping.  I was promised a new one (mountain bike not two year old) if I hit specific mileage and weight goals.  So I thought we would get a jump on the shopping.

Lastly - do any of you have a spreadsheet (maybe excel) or any other form for planning your training? I was up last night trying to put together a plan and obviously either need a spreadsheet or just sit at the kitchen table with a 3 ring binder - graph paper and a calendar.  Any thoughts?

 

 



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Hey everyone!!

Well, I'm done with my training this week. Took the exam this morning and passed...which wasn't hard. The instructor gave us a 30 point review sheet. 30 items on it..hhmmmmm..the exam had 30 questions on it. 3 of the items had no information other than "#10 = C"....LOL. Surprisingly many people still referred to their notes. I never even took notes the whole week. Oh well, I'm done!

Tonight a friend is joining me while I participate in my first RPM class at my gym. Guess it's like spinning. I'm a little nervous because I haven't been working out since surgery but I hope it's a good kick in the pants for winter training! Also, I know that I can adjust the tension if I'm getting too winded. But I'm glad she's able to go because it's always nice to have a friendly face in a new class when you're inexperienced!

Sunday I have the Cold Turkey 10K with my running girls. I'll be taking it easy since I just got my green light but I know I can finish..I did a half marathon, right?!

I'm hoping to start tracking in my training log this weekend so everyone can take a peep at it now and then! I haven't weighed in this week but I should tomorrow just to keep me inline for the holiday next week!

I'm looking at signing up for the Pittsburgh Triathlon at the end of July. That will be 3 weeks before Irongirl and I'm also going to be in town for a pharmacy convention, figured that would be a good end, maybe get some girls from the convention to come out and cheer me on! If I do sign up for that one that will mean I'm looking at possibly 1 HIM, 2 sprints and 2 Olys next season...WOW!! I am crazy!

Katie: Good luck with the race this weekend!! You and your hubby will have fun!! How many attorneys do we have in this group anyway?? I love saying I'm a "Pharmacist Attorney". My friends in law school used to joke that I could drug/poison you and get myself off...so stupid. LOL

Debb: Great job with the weight loss!!! Keep it up!

Leah: Your body was telling you to rest, don't feel guilty about it you feel rejuvenated because of it!

Scott: Are you sure you're not getting a new 2 year old?? Just a younger, less energetic model?? I LOVE the monkey pic by the way!! I'll have to put up some pictures of my Sock Monkey!!

Kiri: Not sure about the mixing on your own the bulk products. I like to leave chemistry to others now...benson burners give me the willies...LOL. If you try it let us know how it works out for you! Right now I'm looking at those bulk hydration jugs to put on my bike for the HIM so I don't have to worry about that weird chilly feeling a Camelback gives me...nor the bulk weight.

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I think we are mostly either artists or attorneys, odd mix. I'm a computer consultant now but I have been a photographer all my life and still do alot of photography and photo teaching.
2009-11-20 3:53 PM
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Run is very much my limiter, so half marathon focus right now to build up distance (and hopefully some speed).

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Kiri - I try not to mix my own anything...it never ends well and usually ends with stomach cramps of some sort. Also are you focused on running right now because it is your weakest sport, for weight loss or do you believe it gets you fit the fastest...or is there some other reason.

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jdbadger - 2009-11-20 9:52 AM

I am leaving early today from work to take my two year old mountain bike shopping.   

 



I thought perhaps you were getting the 2YO her first mountain bike and I was going to concede that she was up on my granddaughter. 
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Artists and Attorneys..UGH..I am thinking this group needs a name....and T- Shirts!!!  Ok - leaving to go shop..plan on actually getting on the treadmill tonight for the first time in about a year.  Should be interesting..



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jdbadger - 2009-11-20 9:52 AM

Hello Ladies:  I find it ineteresting that you all post late at night. I thought I was the only one on this website up after 9 p.m.

Leah - hope you get signed up for IMAZ without any problems.  A good friend of mine ( a top 20 age grouper) signed up for the inaugural IMAZ..trained all year and went down to compete without a wetsuit..of course the week of the race there were none to be found so he rented a scuba wet suit.   They ended up dragging his butt out of the water and sending him to the hospital with hypothermia...he almost got divorced over this because of course his wife had told him to buy a wetsuit beforehand.

Lastly - do any of you have a spreadsheet (maybe excel) or any other form for planning your training? I was up last night trying to put together a plan and obviously either need a spreadsheet or just sit at the kitchen table with a 3 ring binder - graph paper and a calendar.  Any thoughts?

 



I post during the day when I am bored at work.  I really like my job, most of the time, but there are certain tasks that are sooooooo easy to put off and that is when you see daytime posts from me. 

I have my own wetsuit, so that isn't an issue.  I have been following this year's IMAZ and know that the water temperature is cold.  There is talk about whether or not you need your neoprene hood.  I don't have one of those and might get one just for this race or in case the urge to do Alcatraz hits me.  Usually those urges can be reined in. 

Right now I am just going by what workouts my bike coach posts for me.  He posts them on Training Peaks, so I actually have to post all my workouts twice.  However, I was thinking about what I would do if I wasn't following his plan and I think the answer would be that I would just use one of the BT training programs and have it integrated with my training logs here. 

But, if I was devising your own plan, I think I would get a big calendar and fill in all the "for sures," like Crossfit is M-W-F mornings at 6am and swimming is T-Th at 5:30.  Long runs/rides have to be on the weekend, so those would get filled in.  I would start with the distance I am at now and figure out how much I need to increase mileage weekly or every other week in order to reach my goal mileage.  I would pick my rest day, which for me is an active recovery day because I am committed to some sort of exercise each and every day.  (I have been peachy since mid-March and I intend to keep it that way.)  That would take care of my mornings. 

Then for the evenings, I would pick one day a week for bike drills and one day a week for strides and maybe one day a week for tempo runs and another for another sort of bike ride.  I'm not creative or artistic (remember, we are either artists, lawyers, or artistic/creative lawyers, and I am just a lawyer) and I would probably pick the same day of the week for bike drills, etc. 

My goal is running, biking, and Crossfit three times per week and swimming two times, with the occasional extra swim thrown in, most likely in the summer when I can get in the ocean. 

I will tell you that so far this is not how my coach has scheduled my workouts.  So far at the end of the month he asks me about my schedule for the upcoming month and works around that.  As far as I can tell, he devises the schedule on a month-to-month basis.  He knows I am training for this HIM in March.  More than that, I can't tell. 

I don't know if that is particularly helpful.  The others probably have better procedures.
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I signed up for the 10K I've been thinking about for December. It is in the name of my old boss Joe Kleinerman, one of the founders of the NYRR. Running mostly on the treadmill has been good for my knee. While most of my running lately has been 5Ks I'm sure I can do a 10K though it'll be a slow one.

I don't follow a plan now but I will be looking for one for building up to Oly and HIM for next year. Any plan suggestions? I just log all my workouts here so I don't see the need to have a paper system. I usually print out a monthly report for my files.
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Lis - I had great luck with the 3x Oly plan on BT my first Tri season. I used it to train for both my first Sprint (Danksin) and The first time I did the Chicago Tri Oly. I suppose the 2x plan is good too, but if you're going for HIM afterwards the 3x will probably help increase the fitness sooner. It has "focuses" too so if you want to do more run focus you can etc. I think there is an Oly to HIM bridge program too?

JD - I just either follow a written plan (Like BT's 3xOly) or one that a coach has written out... and just log my workouts on BT. Simple, but works. I print it out if I need to (I think once I entered them onto Ical and then printed it) but really I just reference online most of the time no excel sheets or anything. Did you find a nice bike?

Kir - No magical mixing here, but ask KathyG I know she mixed her own last season. I may try it myself too once I see how expensive the fancy drink mixes are.

Swim/Walk for me in the morning and then packing my bags to leave Sunday morning.

Have a good week all!
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~ AZ Sunshine ~ - 2009-11-19 10:14 PM

Hello everyone.  No work out for me today.  I'm having stomach problems.  I think it could be nerves for my ride this weekend.  Hubby is nervous too.  We know we will be pretty sore from our saddles.  I have a meeting until 3:00 and then we are heading down to Tucson.  I should be packing up now so I have everything I need ready to go when I get home tomorrow. 

Hmmm, now that I'm writing this I realize that the stress could be from my Ironman sign up.  I've doing doing some research this evening.  I'm sure that is adding to it. 

Not sure how much time I'll have to check in this weekend.  Everyone have a great one!! 

PS - Leah, did you improve on your time trial? 



I am not sure how to define "improve" re my time trial.  The two trial were one month apart with two fast circuits of the Rose Bowl with a recovery period in between.  My average speed improved slightly, so that is good, but my heart rate was slightly lower and I am not sure if that is good or not.  I think I am supposed to have a higher heart rate showing that I was working as hard as possible. 

10/18
16.7 mph (average HR 147 - max HR 162)
16.3 mph (average HR 146 - max HR 161)

11/18
16.5 mph (average HR 139 - max HR 158)
17.0 mph (average HR 141 - max HR 153)

I hope your tummy is better and your bike race went well.  Don't be nervous about signing up for the IM.  You have a whole year to prepare, which is enough time if you already have a base, which you do.  I think having a recognized training plan, like one of the ones here on BT will help calm nerves because it shows that the distance is possible in a specific amount of time.  I am not sure of the length of time of the IM programs, but I am sure they are less than a year. 

I am not planning to start IM training until 4/1/2010.  I am just going to focus on have the best HIM I can possibly have in March.  The only exception is that I am at 2,000 meters per swimming session now.  I am going to increase it by 200 meters each month and that will get me to 4,000 meters (IM distance) in September, so that will be almost three full months at that distance. 
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