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I have no expierence with wheels and have not asked any bike shop or any tri friends about them so - how hard are they to switch out when you are doing a normal training ride that is not a long ride or an event?  Is it as easy as taking wheels off the bike now?  Any setup changes that have to take place?



If you get speed from your bike computer based on wheel size and not GPS you might need to adjust your computer if you have different size tires.  For example, if you  normally ride 700x23 but got race wheels that were 700x21 then you'd need to adjust your computer to account for the different circumference of the tires.  Other than that it should be just a matter of swapping them out.


Thanks. 


If you get new wheels definitely pickup a new cassette so you can don't have to switch that over every time.  Other than that you should be good.

On recommendations.  First are you riding with a powermeter of some sort.  If so what kind?  Are you looking for pure race wheels for tris or something for road races too or what?  Do you want to tread into the tubular world or do you want to stick with clinchers?


Definitely get a another new cassette!  That's the biggest pain in the butt of having a set of race wheels.


2010-09-01 7:41 AM
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Here's my August. How'd you guys do?

August's totals:
Bike:25h 15m 18s  - 454.99 Mi
Run:13h 21m 31s  - 81.25 Mi
Swim:10h 14m 43s  - 29087.23 Yd
2010-09-01 8:00 AM
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So I did the FTP test last night.  Pretty much sucked.  I used the from Coggan's book.  It was

20 min warm up
3 x 1 min (w/ 1 minute recovery) at high RPM (> 100)
5 minute recovery
5 minute "all out" (VO2max intensity)
10 minute recovery
20 minute "time trial"
10 minute cool down

Overall I felt good about the test.  My pacing during the 5 min VO2max interval was pretty bad.  Started out too fast, dropped down, speed up, etc.  I did much better during the TT part.  I started a little slower then I thought I could go then built slow throughout and tried to kick it up at the end.  I don't feel like I left a lot (if any) in the tank when I was done.  One of the interesting things I noticed is that my cadence generally really high.  I was spinning around 110-115 during the high RPM intervals and 95-105 during the TT part. 

I pulled the average power form the time trail portion, subtracted 5% and called that my FTP.  Should I be looking at anything else?  

2010-09-01 8:01 AM
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titeloops - 2010-09-01 8:41 AM Here's my August. How'd you guys do?



Bike:17h 31m 05s  - 309.52 Mi
Run:10h 45m 54s  - 72.87 Mi
Swim:15350 Yd
2010-09-01 8:06 AM
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titeloops - 2010-09-01 7:41 AM Here's my August. How'd you guys do?

August's totals:
Bike:9h 26m 01s  - 138.04 Mi
Run:11h 15m 38s  - 59.23 Mi
Swim:5h 34m 46s  - 16917 Yd
2010-09-01 9:08 AM
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talk about craptacular:

August's totals:
Bike:8h 31m 45s  - 143.78 Mi
Run:12h 05m 15s  - 76.69 Mi
Swim:6h 12m 40s  - 21270 Yd
Strength:1h 30m

I'm guessing if I want to be remotely competitive on the bike, I need to average the 140/wk, not month. And that swim volume is LOW!

Maybe when the studying and the kiddo calm down, I can get some good training in. There's no way I can successfully complete a HIM or more on that level of training!


2010-09-01 10:49 AM
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2010-09-01 10:49 AM
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August's totals:
Bike:17h 17m 43s  - 329.5 Mi
Run:11h 05m 14s  - 86.04 Mi
Swim:7h 00m 02s  - 24040 Yd

Hopefully I can squeeze in another 2000 yards of swimming during lunch.

2010-09-01 11:03 AM
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cornfed - 2010-09-01 8:00 AM So I did the FTP test last night.  Pretty much sucked.  I used the from Coggan's book.  It was

20 min warm up
3 x 1 min (w/ 1 minute recovery) at high RPM (> 100)
5 minute recovery
5 minute "all out" (VO2max intensity)
10 minute recovery
20 minute "time trial"
10 minute cool down

Overall I felt good about the test.  My pacing during the 5 min VO2max interval was pretty bad.  Started out too fast, dropped down, speed up, etc.  I did much better during the TT part.  I started a little slower then I thought I could go then built slow throughout and tried to kick it up at the end.  I don't feel like I left a lot (if any) in the tank when I was done.  One of the interesting things I noticed is that my cadence generally really high.  I was spinning around 110-115 during the high RPM intervals and 95-105 during the TT part. 

I pulled the average power form the time trail portion, subtracted 5% and called that my FTP.  Should I be looking at anything else?  



When I do formal testing I use the 20min + 5 min, critical power formula.  Its the method JorgeM uses in his winter cycling plans. 

http://www.jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/

2010-09-01 1:47 PM
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BamaDC - 2010-09-01 12:03 PM
cornfed - 2010-09-01 8:00 AM So I did the FTP test last night.  Pretty much sucked.  I used the from Coggan's book.  It was

20 min warm up
3 x 1 min (w/ 1 minute recovery) at high RPM (> 100)
5 minute recovery
5 minute "all out" (VO2max intensity)
10 minute recovery
20 minute "time trial"
10 minute cool down

Overall I felt good about the test.  My pacing during the 5 min VO2max interval was pretty bad.  Started out too fast, dropped down, speed up, etc.  I did much better during the TT part.  I started a little slower then I thought I could go then built slow throughout and tried to kick it up at the end.  I don't feel like I left a lot (if any) in the tank when I was done.  One of the interesting things I noticed is that my cadence generally really high.  I was spinning around 110-115 during the high RPM intervals and 95-105 during the TT part. 

I pulled the average power form the time trail portion, subtracted 5% and called that my FTP.  Should I be looking at anything else?  



When I do formal testing I use the 20min + 5 min, critical power formula.  Its the method JorgeM uses in his winter cycling plans. 

http://www.jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/



That's seems a little strange.  Why do you subtract your 5 minute power?  It seems like the better my 5 min power is the worse my 60 minute/FTP will be.  That seems counter intuitive to me.
2010-09-01 2:17 PM
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They're no disk, or powertap, or hed's, but I just put these (very similar) on the bike and it looks BEAUTIFUL!



The LBS rented me a pair of Specialized Dupont TriSpokes for this weekend's race and it should be fun!

The only thing, there's no magnet for the wheel. So, how do I hook up the magnet from my other wheels to these trispokes?


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LostSheep - 2010-09-01 3:17 PM
The only thing, there's no magnet for the wheel. So, how do I hook up the magnet from my other wheels to these trispokes?


Duck tape?
2010-09-01 3:04 PM
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cornfed - 2010-09-01 8:00 AM So I did the FTP test last night.  Pretty much sucked.  I used the from Coggan's book.  It was

20 min warm up
3 x 1 min (w/ 1 minute recovery) at high RPM (> 100)
5 minute recovery
5 minute "all out" (VO2max intensity)
10 minute recovery
20 minute "time trial"
10 minute cool down

Overall I felt good about the test.  My pacing during the 5 min VO2max interval was pretty bad.  Started out too fast, dropped down, speed up, etc.  I did much better during the TT part.  I started a little slower then I thought I could go then built slow throughout and tried to kick it up at the end.  I don't feel like I left a lot (if any) in the tank when I was done.  One of the interesting things I noticed is that my cadence generally really high.  I was spinning around 110-115 during the high RPM intervals and 95-105 during the TT part. 

I pulled the average power form the time trail portion, subtracted 5% and called that my FTP.  Should I be looking at anything else?  



When I do formal testing I use the 20min + 5 min, critical power formula.  Its the method JorgeM uses in his winter cycling plans. 

http://www.jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/



That's seems a little strange.  Why do you subtract your 5 minute power?  It seems like the better my 5 min power is the worse my 60 minute/FTP will be.  That seems counter intuitive to me.



Did you plug in your wattage from your test?
2010-09-01 6:06 PM
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LostSheep - 2010-09-01 2:17 PM They're no disk, or powertap, or hed's, but I just put these (very similar) on the bike and it looks BEAUTIFUL!



The LBS rented me a pair of Specialized Dupont TriSpokes for this weekend's race and it should be fun!

The only thing, there's no magnet for the wheel. So, how do I hook up the magnet from my other wheels to these trispokes?


Now you need one of those pointy helmets. 
2010-09-01 6:09 PM
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I just signed up for the Mercedes Marathon!  Boston or Bust!

For you Bama boys, early registration ends on the 5th.


2010-09-01 7:37 PM
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Trinity got her new shoes today...
2010-09-01 7:41 PM
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BamaDC - 2010-09-01 6:09 PM I just signed up for the Mercedes Marathon!  Boston or Bust!

For you Bama boys, early registration ends on the 5th.


Not according to Active.

Marathon: $60 til 8/31/10, $65 til 1/1/11, $75 til 2/5/11

Half Marathon: $55 til 8/31/10, $60 til 1/1/11, $70 til 2/5/11

Nevermind: Active is wrong. Their homepage is correct. Looks like I need to hurry up and signup!



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LostSheep - 2010-09-01 7:37 PM Trinity got her new shoes today...


nice addition!!
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BamaDC - 2010-09-01 7:09 PM I just signed up for the Mercedes Marathon!  Boston or Bust!

For you Bama boys, early registration ends on the 5th.


Awesome!
2010-09-01 8:51 PM
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BamaDC - 2010-09-01 12:03 PM
cornfed - 2010-09-01 8:00 AM So I did the FTP test last night.  Pretty much sucked.  I used the from Coggan's book.  It was

20 min warm up
3 x 1 min (w/ 1 minute recovery) at high RPM (> 100)
5 minute recovery
5 minute "all out" (VO2max intensity)
10 minute recovery
20 minute "time trial"
10 minute cool down

Overall I felt good about the test.  My pacing during the 5 min VO2max interval was pretty bad.  Started out too fast, dropped down, speed up, etc.  I did much better during the TT part.  I started a little slower then I thought I could go then built slow throughout and tried to kick it up at the end.  I don't feel like I left a lot (if any) in the tank when I was done.  One of the interesting things I noticed is that my cadence generally really high.  I was spinning around 110-115 during the high RPM intervals and 95-105 during the TT part. 

I pulled the average power form the time trail portion, subtracted 5% and called that my FTP.  Should I be looking at anything else?  



When I do formal testing I use the 20min + 5 min, critical power formula.  Its the method JorgeM uses in his winter cycling plans. 

http://www.jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/



That's seems a little strange.  Why do you subtract your 5 minute power?  It seems like the better my 5 min power is the worse my 60 minute/FTP will be.  That seems counter intuitive to me.



Did you plug in your wattage from your test?


If I use my average minus 5% (the Coggan method) I get 302.  If I use Jorge's method I get 310.  It still doesn't make sense to me that a higher 5 minute average would mean my FTP would be lower.


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BamaDC - 2010-09-01 6:09 PM I just signed up for the Mercedes Marathon!  Boston or Bust!

For you Bama boys, early registration ends on the 5th.


Mercedes is a hard qualifier.  Why not Huntsville?

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LostSheep - 2010-09-01 7:37 PM Trinity got her new shoes today...


Purty.  Now go out and hit the gas and see if you have the same rubbing problems.  Those wheels should be as stiff as .

For the magnet I'm sure a hot glue gun will work.
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cornfed - 2010-09-01 8:51 PM

If I use my average minus 5% (the Coggan method) I get 302.  If I use Jorge's method I get 310.  It still doesn't make sense to me that a higher 5 minute average would mean my FTP would be lower.


I have to doubt these numbers.  If your FTP is ~300 you are in the 26mph range for a typical sprint tri ride.  Those kind of numbers will have you winning the bike leg at most tris.
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cornfed - 2010-09-01 8:51 PM

If I use my average minus 5% (the Coggan method) I get 302.  If I use Jorge's method I get 310.  It still doesn't make sense to me that a higher 5 minute average would mean my FTP would be lower.


I have to doubt these numbers.  If your FTP is ~300 you are in the 26mph range for a typical sprint tri ride.  Those kind of numbers will have you winning the bike leg at most tris.


It does seem a little high to me too.   I attached a screen shot from WKO but I can send you the power file if anyone is interested. 

Do you you think my PT isn't calibrated or is it something else?  Keep in mind that I'm almost 210 lbs so that really only 3.1 W/kg which doesn't seem that high.



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