Trump (Page 29)

I'm pretty sure I've never seen a Trump supporter wearing a KKK hood.  
http://toprightnews.com/trump-protester-wearing-kkk-hood-meets-black-trump-supporter-does-not-end-well-for-him/

(and yes this idiot deserved to get the crap beat out of him)

So, do you feel there is no racism among African Americans?  I mean the way you talk the Democrats have no racism at all?  
Are you so blind as to think that only people you disagree with politically are racist?  I find that absolutely astonishing.

I was going by the NYT poll I just linked above.  I believe she was -22 or something like that.

Totally the same picture we see painted on the news: /rollseyes
http://injo.com/2016/03/565034-police-officer-attends-trump-rally-and-comes-away-with-an-entirely-new-perspective/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=video-social-mobile-bar&utm_campaign=Sharing

for the record, i wasn't calling you racist tony.  And maybe trump isn't racist, but the alternative is that he says a great deal of incredibly insensitive and offensive things to minority groups. either way i don't like it.  AND. its the reason that a large number of his supporters, yes, a large number, ARE racist.  He says the things they wish they could openly say.

So I guess you've proven my point.  We both have a picture of a single KKK supporter for each party (granted the first one supported sanders).  So, we're even.  lol

Does the Black Panther party and its members support the Democratic Party?  Are they a racist organization?
Does the Nation of Islam and it's members support the Democratic Party?  Are they a racist organization?
Does David Duke and his followers support Trump?  Are they a racist organization?

You're so stuck in your ideology that you refuse to even see that there could possibly be any racists that live on your side of the pendulum.

So, what's your real evidence other than you "feel" that they're racist?

I know you weren't, and I do agree that he's said some insensitive and offensive things that many people understandably don't like. 

As for the belief that a large number of his supporters ARE racist, I ask you as well what your proof is other than you just "feel" that way.

Personally, I think it's a media (and liberal) driven meme that is being used to drive yet a further wedge between everyone.  I mean, the only way a person could legitimately support Trump is if they're a racist, right?  I know a lot of Trump supporters and I always ask them why they support him.  There are numerous reasons from a broad set of people and not a one of them are because he "says the racist things I can't say but believe".  I mean seriously, that's just silly at any level.

I will also add that the reason you don't see most of Trumps supporters speaking as to why they support Trump is because of the intolerance on the other side.  Every time I post anything Trump related on Facebook (which is pretty rare) I get shouted down very quickly by people that are my Friends.  The vile hatred that exists for anyone who dares to mention that they could support an outsider in Washington is what is despicable.  My FB is flooded with all kinds of Bernie and Hillary stuff and everyone (including myself) is polite and tolerant of them doing it, but don't you dare post about Trump.

This is why Trumps meme of the "Silent Majority" is such an accurate reflection of his supporters.  They're people that are tired of getting shouted down and told who they are to support.  They're tired of the status quo of corrupt politician after politician streaming through office and raping our great country.  To call us racists is laughable and honestly shows where the real intolerance is.

The real elephant in the room is the complete intolerance exhibited by the Progressives who refuse to give any opposing viewpoint a voice and do everything in their power to shut it down.

Ok, but don't underestimate the people who are tired of being called racists just because they don't like their way home from work blocked , or just want to go about their business without acknowledging a protest or the protestors, or just want to enjoy a meal without a protest group coming into the diner chanting.  It gets old and tiresome pretty quick.  I know plenty of people who will vote Trump as a way of saying no to that type of behavior.....which really has nothing to do with racism or 1st amendment rights and everything to do with not wanting to be harassed.   The idea of what is actually protected under the 1st amendment has gotten fairly derailed these days.  Your right to protest ends at my right to freedom of movement......it always has. 

And....if you want to see an ugly racial overtone, watch one of your black Police Officers spat upon and called the most vile names you can imagine at a Black Lives Matter protest.    I've witnessed deplorable behavior from every side......truly.

Still, yes, I know that there is a racial undertone to a lot of Trump's support......but that doesn't mean it's all from racists.

And yes, absolutely, I realize that my real-time view is not the view that the majority of people have (that's why I love it so much BTW), but it does give me a platform to understand both sides.

OK, mr shout me down.  WTF is your evidence other than your prejudice towards others who don't think like you do?

How many rally's have you been to?  I've been to three.  THERE ARE NO RACIST UNDERTONES AT HIS RALLIES, IT ONLY EXISTS IN YOUR HEAD!!!

Well, in fairness, that's not 100% true either.....although, like ChineseDemocracy pointed out, the media has overplayed quite a bit of it.

How many have you been to?

I wasn't inside, but I heard plenty of racial slurs thrown by people protesting and people headed into the rally.  It's really not deniable that this entire election year is racially charged.......there are plenty of Trump's supporters who have earned their share of it.  You might need to get out of Iowa brother.

tony, is it possible that the rallies in your area were more civil than some that have been held in other parts of the country?

I know where you live, Tony.....I thought you had been to at least one rally in Iowa.

Dave, it works both ways.  The fact is, if nobody jumps up and disrupts the rally then you aren't going to hear anything racial from a Trump crowd....so where does it originate and who is the problem?  I don't have the answer to that, I'm just asking.  One thing I know, the 1st amendment DOES NOT give anyone the right to trample the 1st amendment rights of others......that is something that I feel has been lost in most of this.

Oh for sure they were, and there's no question that in LB's part of the country where there's been ongoing racial issues things will be much more tense.  However, my original premise still holds true because if a bunch of racists show up and bash people at a Trump rally in St. Louis and a bunch of racists in the Trump crowd lash back they're both still racists and they were both racists before Trump ever came onto the scene.

I apologize for my tone yesterday because for whatever reason JMK was rubbing me the wrong way.  Don't worry, I still love you JMK.

I get very frustrated when people take a guy like David Duke who supports Trump (kind of) and then try to parlay it into the majority of Trumps supporters being racists.  Louis Farrahkahn did the same thing to Obama back in 2008 and he rightfully disavowed him and his organization.  Idiots have every right to support whoever they want, but for anyone to group everyone else with the idiot is just wrong.
Trump has followers that are racist, murderers, bigots, antisemites, thief's, adulterers, etc.
Hillary has followers that are racist, murderers, bigots, antisemites, thief's, adulterers, etc.

It's not a straw man, it's the truth.  Obviously none of us know how to quantify the number of racists that support Trump or the number of racists that support Hillary because it's a heart issue for each and every person.

I'm a strong believer in racism being a dying disease that will take many generations to be fully cured.  My grandma was an overt and outspoken racist, my mother is a closet racist who treats people well, but secretly calls black people the N word behind closed doors and always avoids them.  I grew up in a different era and was always disgusted by their behavior and am outwardly and inwardly loving of minorities.  I still harbored some prejudices from my upbringing, but those were easily overcome through integration (mostly in the Navy) with people from other walks of life.
(not that it matters, but my mom and grandma are both lifelong Democrats)
Racism was very accepted in our society not very many generations ago, just like intolerance and hatred towards sexuality has been within an even shorter timespan.  These traits aren't specific to a political ideology, they're based on family's and sometimes cultural/regional influences but they effect everyone.

What I don't like currently is how we as a society fully accept and even encourage hatred and bigotry based on financial classes as well as political parties.  Nobody in this thread would openly deride another for their sexual identity, but have zero problem lambasting somebody for not paying their fair share or not agreeing with a political topic.  Perhaps it will take a few more generations to get past this current cloud we all live under.

I think I'm going to take a break from BT for a while.  I consider many of you close friends even though I haven't met any of you in person.  However, I just think we tend to yell at each other with very little education or swaying of opinions.  I like to engage in environments where people look at an opinion and come up with counter opinions or defend why they believe what they believe.  BT used to be that way, but I think that's lost.  Looking back, I've likely contributed to that culture as well, which makes me sad.

Take care guys and gals.

Quitter!!!

Look man, this in one of the most civil discussions that can be found on these topics on the interwebs.......it'd be good to have you stay around. 

I can't believe you went  the "BT used to be that way" route......do you not remember the last election cycle? 

The first link took me to a blank page.

How many times does Trump have to disavow the white supremacists? He clearly did disavow them during the Christie endorsement the day before and immediately after that interview you linked. Have you disavowed the kkk today, does your lack of disavowing them everyday make you a racists?

The Apartment Lawsuit in the 1970's looked more to me like he was discriminating against welfare/subsidized housing people than black people. 

On the balance, please explain to me in detail why you think those are evidence that Trump is a racists and I'll respond. 

There are a lot of things Trump says that make me cringe, but he doesn't come close to spouting the vile stuff I've seen others do and he nor his supporters go to other candidates with the express intent of denying him the ability to speak and those attending his events to hear what he has to say. 

You and your like minded friends who think it's appropriate to call everyone who disagrees with you that they are racists are truly acting in an un American manner. You appear to have no interest in discussing problems or solutions but yelling and calling people names, so the only thing that comes through is words that you agree with. 

What I am going to say, I mean sincerely, not as a criticism but as some helpful advise, when people are talking, try, try the best you can to understand what they are saying or attempting to say, rather than trying to fit what they have said into what you want to hear. 

Oh, and it appears looking at one of your posts, you've looked up the definition of racist and have admitted you are wrong? Yes? No?

Quitter!!!

Look man, this in one of the most civil discussions that can be found on these topics on the interwebs.......it'd be good to have you stay around.