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2005-11-29 11:51 AM
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How about the Easter Bunny? And while were at it what about, as Banky said in Chasing Amy, the male-affectionate, easy to get along with, non-political agenda lesbian?

oipolloi - 2005-11-29 10:10 AM

Here's a topic recently discussed within my family.

Should Christian parents allow their children to believe in Santa Clause?

I'm not a holy-roller by no means, but if I had children, which I don't, I would not trick them into believeing in Santa Clause. Christmas should be about Christ, not some bearded fat guy in a red suit.

Now talk amongst yourselves....



2005-11-29 11:56 AM
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ChipmunkHeart - 2005-11-29 12:31 PM

Oh, well, it's actually not a huge deal, medically speaking. A relatively simple surgury, but a huge quality of life improvement for me. I guess I should have said a "new" heart.

Thanks for your thoughts.

golfinggods - 2005-11-29 12:25 PM

Uh chipmunk how did you just blow through that?

Best of luck to you and I hope that is truely a wonderful gift for Christmas.

Are you going to rename yourself OXENHEART? LIONHEART? NEWHART? Where exactly are they getting this 'new' heart? This is gonna take some planning...
2005-11-29 11:57 AM
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I love you, too, Hollis. Happy Holy Days.
2005-11-29 12:02 PM
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run4yrlif - 2005-11-29 10:51 AM

How about the Easter Bunny? And while were at it what about, as Banky said in Chasing Amy, the male-affectionate, easy to get along with, non-political agenda lesbian?


male affectionate? yup, bigger arms to snuggle with
easy to get along with? yup, if you are nice to me
non-political agenda? yeah, I think everyone in the world should be fed, loved, and have the right to live and work and contribute in anyway that they choose as long as it does not harm. Shoot, I thought for aminute I was your new Easter Bunny!
2005-11-29 12:02 PM
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morey1 - 2005-11-29 12:37 PM Ditto what Opus just said. You were short, so I assumed most regulars knew what you were referring to.

Hey, I'm 5'7. That's not short!

Oh, I slay me.

Annnnyway, yeah, sorry, I guess I just didn't want to bore those who already knew the details. The short version: My heart beats too quickly, due to an extra pathway in there that extra heartbeats get caught in. (that's quite possibly the worst explanation for it ever. I apologize!) During any given run -- even an 11 minute mile run-- I average a 190 HR. Occasionally I'll wake up with a resting HR of 180; with meds this is all controlled, but exercise and activity bring out the worst.* The surgery (which is more of procedure, really) goes in and burns off the extra pathway so that the extra heartbeats don't get stuck in there and spark a massive beating frenzy that often leads to throwing up, dizziness, fainting, or only sleeping 3 hours a night. So, I'm super stoked. If it works, I will have saved myself 50-60 years of medicine and all their wonderful side effects. And, I'll be able to run intervals, and get faster, and not die in the process. It's gonna be awesome!

This Thanksgiving, I'm thankful for modern medicine.

*Actually, binge drinking brings out the worst. But, strangly, my doctor doesn't so much think that is a problem.



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2005-11-29 12:03 PM
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Another hijack. Poor rkreuser (I'm referring to your avatar). Yes, the Bulldogs really won, although the game was awesomely close. I'm using awesome too much. Oh well.



2005-11-29 12:04 PM
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And we're thankful for you Chippy. Some of us more than others, but we won't go there.

2005-11-29 12:04 PM
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possum - 2005-11-29 12:02 PMI think everyone in the world should be fed, loved, and have the right to live and work and contribute in anyway that they choose as long as it does not harm.


Fascist...


2005-11-29 12:04 PM
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That's great news, Elizabeth (my older sis' name). I hope you have a smooth procedure and speedy recovery.
2005-11-29 12:04 PM
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Why not...we go everywhere else?

TriComet - 2005-11-29 12:04 PM

And we're thankful for you Chippy. Some of us more than others, but we won't go there.

2005-11-29 12:11 PM
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bc as Meatloaf said, I would do anything for love, but I won;t do that.

or something. fun hijacking fact du jour. Meat loaf is a client of my dad's. Yup, my father is his insurance agent and helped put together the beneift packages for his band....back in the day...


2005-11-29 12:13 PM
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A band...with an insurance package? That's not very rock 'n' roll.

Fascist.

possum - 2005-11-29 12:11 PMbc as Meatloaf said, I would do anything for love, but I won;t do that.or something. fun hijacking fact du jour. Meat loaf is a client of my dad's. Yup, my father is his insurance agent and helped put together the beneift packages for his band....back in the day...
2005-11-29 12:19 PM
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sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt meeeeee.

but in the timeless words of Otto:

"Don't uh, ever ever ever call me stupid. Ok."
2005-11-29 12:31 PM
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Punk died when the first kid said "punk's not dead"

run4yrlif - 2005-11-29 12:13 PM A band...with an insurance package? That's not very rock 'n' roll.

Fascist.

possum - 2005-11-29 12:11 PMbc as Meatloaf said, I would do anything for love, but I won;t do that.or something. fun hijacking fact du jour. Meat loaf is a client of my dad's. Yup, my father is his insurance agent and helped put together the beneift packages for his band....back in the day...

2005-11-29 12:49 PM
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Renee -

However, if I met a Christian man who respects that my spiritual journey is MINE and not his or not the church's then we could likely get along really well.



I agree with that.  The problem I've run into has to do with raising children.

I'm Catholic, Cornelia is Quaker.  We call ourselves a Quathlic family.   Both of us are very serious about our beliefs. 

With each other, the difference in our beliefs is no great thing.  With our children, it's another matter.  Very difficult to form them religiously without creating division within their psyches.

I'd be interested in hearing stories of children being raised in a two faith family.
2005-11-29 1:00 PM
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Ultimately, your children's spirituality will be a matter for them to develop and pursue. You and your wife do much to show them the merits of your respective beliefs - you can try to mold and form them while they are yet children - but, ultimately, their spiritual life is a path that they must choose for themselves.  You don't really get to choose for your children once they become adults (and, really, isn't that when we test/form/develop our spiritual selves?), so the disparity in your beliefs isn't as critical as one might think.

But, you speak of forming them religiously and I'm speaking of their spiritual development. Seems that reconciling religious disparity would be much easier than reconciling spiritual disparities. If Cornelia's and your religious beliefs spring from the same spiritual pool, your children will see and feel this common spirit.



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2005-11-29 1:02 PM
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dontracy - 2005-11-29 12:49 PM  Very difficult to form them religiously without creating division within their psyches.



I'm sure it is difficult, but to me it seems like it's a matter of presenting both or your beliefs in an as unbiased was as possible, and at some point the kids will be able to make a choice. If it were me, I'd take the approach that there's more than one way to skin a cat, and how in any religion, the majority of  beliefs, especially those regarding morality, are incredibly similar. Start there, and then you can present and talk about how your faiths differ.
2005-11-29 1:05 PM
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My wife is Catholic (she's slowly coming to the dark side), I'm agnostic. We've agreed to not brainwash our children and let them make up their own minds when they get to an age where it makes sense. We get questions from them occassionally about spiritual matters such as Heaven/Hell/God/Devil. The first question went something like this:

Son: "Dad, what is heaven?"
Me: "It's a place that some people believe God lives and they believe that you go there when you die. "

Son: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "No, I don't, do you?"

Son: "I don't know. Why don't you believe in God?"
Me: "Well, I'm not saying there isn't one, I just don't know that there is. Until I know that there is, I can't very well believe in it."

Son: "Oh, can I have a grilled cheese sandwich?"
Me: "Ask your Mom."

2005-11-29 1:23 PM
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morey1 - 2005-11-29 10:39 AM

OIP and Renee, I don't really want to debate this with you because I generally agree with your positions in most posts. Furthermore, on this subject we are very close.

OIP: If you were to ask my kids, the celebration of the birth of christ would be A top answer, along with GIVING as well as receiving gifts, and spending time with family that we may not see regularly. I think those are all good things. My kids are 10 and 7 and love to give me the gifts they bought at school at a gift sale they have.

Renee: Vulgar? I don't know. Marketing hype on steroids? Yes. What can I say, I love Christmas for ALL of it's reasons...celebrate christ/give and receive presents/have fun with kids regarding Santa and St. Nick/spend time with extended family.


I agree wtih this. Christmas for all it's reasons is a good thing. We are very active in our church, attend regularly and we are involved. Our kids are involved as well. The true meaning of Christmas is the focus for us during this time of year. However, if I were to ask my 5 and 7 year old what is the meaning of Christmas they would both say presents and Santa and celebrating Jesus' birthday. (Probably, but I'll ask them for the real test.) But the main thing they understand is that they get presents. The real philosophical part about giving is better than receiving, and that we are celebrating the birth of our Savior is way over their heads still. They can tell by rote, but I don't anticipate them truly "getting it" until they are older. But that's okay, we keep to our traditions, try and lead by example, and enjoy their joy in the meantime. My 7 year old who is autistic may never truly understand since it's not "logical" or tangible to be celebrating Jesus' birthday. But who knows, we still teach him what we believe.
2005-11-29 1:31 PM
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ChuckyFinster - 2005-11-29 1:05 PM

Son: "Oh, can I have a grilled cheese sandwich?"

Me: "Ask your Mom."

See, this is why you're wicked. You need to get your butt off your LazyBoy recliner, put the remote down, put the beer in the freezer to keep it cold, and make the little tyke's grilled cheese sandwich yourself!



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2005-11-29 1:32 PM
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Renee - 2005-11-29 1:00 PM

Ultimately, your children's spirituality will be a matter for them to develop and pursue. You and your wife do much to show them the merits of your respective beliefs - you can try to mold and form them while they are yet children - but, ultimately, their spiritual life is a path that they must choose for themselves.  You don't really get to choose for your children once they become adults (and, really, isn't that when we test/form/develop our spiritual selves?), so the disparity in your beliefs isn't as critical as one might think.

But, you speak of forming them religiously and I'm speaking of their spiritual development. Seems that reconciling religious disparity would be much easier than reconciling spiritual disparities. If Cornelia's and your religious beliefs spring from the same spiritual pool, your children will see and feel this common spirit.



I really believe this too. I was never brought up in any church, my dad is an atheist and my mom has flip-flopped more times than I can count. I've always had a sense of spirituality, and I always sought to fulfill myself that way in church...on my own and by my own choice. My husband and I both grew up this way...seeking Christ out on our own, and both wishing we had had some guidance as we grew up. That is how we are presenting religion to our kids. Leading by example, giving them the religious education we both wished we had had, but not cramming it down their throats either. When they get older they can make up their own mind. They may seek to fulfill themselves spiritually in another way.


2005-11-29 1:38 PM
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Renee - 2005-11-29 1:31 PM

ChuckyFinster - 2005-11-29 1:05 PM

Son: "Oh, can I have a grilled cheese sandwich?"

Me: "Ask your Mom."

See, this is why you're wicked. You need to get your butt off your LazyBoy recliner, put the remote down, put the beer in the freezer to keep it cold, and make the little tyke's grilled cheese sandwich yourself!



psst...Chucky...do it wrong though so you're never asked to do it again.
2005-11-29 1:39 PM
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That's why I never do laundry.

morey1 - 2005-11-29 1:38 PM psst...Chucky...do it wrong though so you're never asked to do it again.
2005-11-29 1:43 PM
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Please. Don't think we're not on to your feigned incompetency!
2005-11-29 1:47 PM
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Would be cooler if you were Shaker and she was Catholic, then you would be called a "Caker, Shakic, Catholiker, or... Oh wait the Shakers all died beccause they didnt believe in kissing on the first date, having sex with each other, or anyone else for that matter.

I grew up in a Catholic/Church of Christ. I went to Catholic school until 4th grade and public the rest. My grand parents were not fond of each others in laws because they both thought the other was going to hell...lol

dontracy - 2005-11-29 12:49 PM
Renee -

However, if I met a Christian man who respects that my spiritual journey is MINE and not his or not the church's then we could likely get along really well.



I agree with that.  The problem I've run into has to do with raising children.

I'm Catholic, Cornelia is Quaker.  We call ourselves a Quathlic family.   Both of us are very serious about our beliefs. 

With each other, the difference in our beliefs is no great thing.  With our children, it's another matter.  Very difficult to form them religiously without creating division within their psyches.

I'd be interested in hearing stories of children being raised in a two faith family.
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