Snowden again.. Why? (Page 3)

The same way other countries have made their country's government human rights messages known.. Family members  and friends of the ones who "disappear". 

They were suspected of drug dealing.. 1m in cash stashed in a trunk.. with traces of drug on it? That's wasn't suspicious?.. and imho..  a bit dumb? 

The judge made the right call, the cops shouldn't have kept it, and she's going to get it back with interest. A bad deal, but I'm not sure what your point is. 

That example doesn't sway my opinion. 

For the record, I strongly oppose "stop-and-frisk" as well.  There's no question in my mind it's a complete violation of the constitution but many feel the ends justify the means.

You seemed to take ownership of 9/11 by having to "walk by the hole in the ground". That's how I took it.

The only one that seems to have a political axe to grind here is you. You seem to want to bring up religion because of Benjamin Franklin, and anyone dissatisfied with the government is anti Obama. Pretty convinced dismissal of anyone that does not agree with you.

Guess what, I was dissatisfied with the government when Bush ran it and ran "fear" down out throat as justification to invade the Middle East. Does not matter innocent civilians died by the 100s of thousands. Just as long as we don't have to stop shopping.

Playing Globo Cop is unsustainable. Giving welfare to the masses is unsustainable. I have always been a firm believer in "peace through superior firepower". But we had that decades ago when we bought our 5000th nuclear warhead. And all we are doing right now is trading the "military industrial complex" for the "intelligence industrial complex"... and I don't like it... and I still won't like it when Obama leaves office, and I still won't like it when the next puppet is put in front of us.

I do agree it's dumb to carry large amounts of cash, but from what I understand all cash has trace amounts of drugs on it.  I think there was even a myth busters on that very topic.
So if you were to be driving cross country with your life savings in cash (for whatever stupid reason) you feel it's OK for the police to confiscate it out of suspicion and keep it for over a year and cost you tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees?  Yes the court system worked and she will eventually get it back, but it shouldn't have happened in the first place, IMHO.

Don't you know, presumption of innocence is an antiquated idea not suited to the modern age. Our founders did not know what terror was.

What's that mantra? "It's better to arrest and charge 10 innocent people rather than let 1 guilty one get away."

Dude... is anyone REALLY innocent?

I don't get it. On 9-11, America stood still. American's stood as one. I don't exactly get how it is somehow unique to a certain few. Do you know how many people I know that went and served in the war? Do you know how many I know that died? I live next to NORAD, the Air Force Academy, Ft. Carson, Shriver, and Peterson Air Force base. But ya, I have never been to New York, so what do I know?

We spent a TRILLION dollars on the two wars over a decade... and nobody over there likes us any better. And now, we have massive intelligence gathering in our own country, and we have authorized the MILITARY to use drones for survielence over our own country, and that we can kill American citizens without a trial and detain them indefinitely. I don't give a crap about Snowden, but it's wrong what we have done, and what we are doing.

I have no idea went down before the couple was arrested. We don't know every detail. It leaves me wondering if there is more to the equation than what has been reported.. ? Who knows. 

What part of my response indicated that I thought what the idiot cops did was OK? I think i wrote... BAD DEAL.

If the cops were completely in the wrong then am guessing there will be more lawsuits flying about before this is said and done with... 

I bet they were NEVER arrested.  That's just not how it works.  They may have been asked to come to the station if they wanted to have a receipt for the money, or MAYBE they were arrested for a minor traffic charge.  But it's just as likely that the story is wrong.  The proceeding that they were at in which their money was given back to them was a civil proceeding, not criminal.  Seizures by the govt. are civil matters. 

At any rate....I doubt their story.  I'm not saying the govt. has a right to the money under the circumstances.....but nobody does business with $1,000,000 in cash except people involved in illegal activity.

Great.

So yes, that is more than enough reason to spend $2 trillion on a side war, kill 100,000 Iraqi civilians and displace over a million more. Take 10 years to kill Osama, build the worlds largest intelligence agency, employ 1000s of Americans checking shoes and Granny's underwear, and spend billions yearly to monitor AMERICANS.

Government is the model of efficiency and integrity.

Per the court case "The Dheris were detained and taken to the NSP office in North Platte, Nebraska, along with the vehicle and money"

I'm not sure if that means "arrested" or not, but I would feel arrested if I were detained and taken to the police station.  

I do agree that there is certainly a likelihood that they were up to no good, but it's not unheard of either.  I worked with a guy who sold a house he owned free and clear for $250k.   He wrote in a stipulation on the offer acceptance that he would only accept cash for payment.

The buyers had to drive across town to deliver a quarter mil to him at the closing.  He was a little off, but not a criminal.  If the buyers would have been pulled over they would have had a fun time with the police.  lol

My business partner just bought $100k in gold this year too (I told him it was a horrible investment) and had it shipped to his work.  He had to drive 30 miles to his house with $100k of gold in his car.

So, there's a couple legitimate scenarios I have first hand knowledge of where people had a large sum of $ in their car.  haha  :-P

Says the guy that wants to argue religion over Ben Franklin, and every one hates Obama.

Dude, seriously, are doing OK? You are normally not this irrational. I hope things work out?

100k isn't 1M in dollar bills.. with out of state plates. 

Tony - in every interdiction I have been involved with where a large amount of cash was found with a sketchy story, the police also want to search the vehicle for drugs.  Now, granted, I don't know what the PC was for wanting to search the car to begin with, or if it was consensual, but once a large amount of cash or an amount of drugs are found the police will impound the vehicle to get it off the road and search it more completely.  If there is no immediate probable cause to arrest, then the occupants will be told that they are free to go, but their vehicle is not, and then they will be given the choice of coming with their vehicle or walking away. (obviously that only happens in cases where money and not drugs are immediately found).  I agree that it feels like an arrest or a detention if your car gets taken and you are from out of state.  Again, I'll bet they weren't arrested.

Is it right?  That's an arguable point, but it has been upheld as legal time and again.

One thing I know for sure, if we make drugs legal that's the end of seizing people's property in the name of illegal proceeds.

I've said it before....the "war on drugs" isn't a war at all....it's a money grab.

Bingo.

I'm sort of appalled by you folks who think we should just let the NSA go about their business without oversight.  They classify anything that might require them to have a shred of accountability with the people in this country.  And when they talk to our elected representatives?  Well, the Director of National Intelligence has already been caught lying straight to Congress.  Why on earth would you think you can trust them to keep you safe?  They're the instrument of the executive branch or whomever's pocket they're in on a given day.

If you want to live in a free country you should be pretty concerned about the direction we've gone since 9/11.

I agree, in principle, with what you have written and what you have quoted from Powerman.  There must be oversight.  There also is a need for classified intelligence gathering, as there always has been when we were threatened by a sworn enemy like Al Queda, etc.  I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't on either extreme.

And I say regularly, the answer is somewhere in the middle. I'm sure it's no different in this instance. LE have been walking the fine line since the country was founded. And taken purely at face value, at what the majority are trying to do, it is about catching the bad guys and protecting the good.

But, the bad spoil it for everyone, and LE have gone in front of the court time and time again and been told they got it wrong. And over decades, these matters get sorted out step by step. And yes, terrorism is a LE issue.

But every since 9/11... we have been moving at leaps and bounds. That one day it's all good, and the next they have a clean slate to do what they want. That's not good enough. There most certainly will be push back. And it will be sorted out by those that still think individual freedom and rights are a pretty good thing when it comes to every day life. And that is most certainly a BIPARTISAN issue. And that dieing in a terrorist attack is somewhere behind winning the power ball the same day you are struck by lightening twice.

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