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2006-05-09 1:17 PM
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dontracy - 2006-05-09 2:01 PM

So if you "feel" one way about an action and I "feel" another way, what do we do?



That'd be why we have a court system. I think that going to the courts is a proper way to get clarification on issues such as this, mostly because it has very little to do with her religion, and more so with which who is infringing on the other's rights.

As for the initial issue of this post, I don't think the professor didn't anything necessarily wrong or illegal. Irresponisble, yes. If you're a professor at a large university, you need to be aware that what you write or say can have consequences. If this professor is willing to defend and back up what she wrote, then good for her. Give her the chance to defend it.


2006-05-09 4:29 PM
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{checking calendar}

Is today Friday?

 

2006-05-09 4:51 PM
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Scout7 - 2006-05-09 12:29 PM

tyrant - 2006-05-09 1:06 PM

Renee - 2006-05-09 10:41 AM
so then to use her structure, you would find it acceptable to post:

"Those crafty black people have begun to primarily target girls, as seen by the recent crime reports."


Tyrant, do you have this professor? If no, then who cares? She can say whatever she wants in a blog. It's a personal thing. Doesn't matter if she said black, Christian, Jew, or anything else.


if i have the professor or not is irrelevant to my questions. a better question that you have put forth is "is it okay to ignore a possible issue with a professor (or any school staff member) because they dont directly affect you"



update on this stuff:

there are other issues surrounding this instructor; calling all men "rapists" and refusing to defend that statement, calling people who question her position "pro-rape" and "anti-women," calling a nontried (case was dismissed) athlete a rapist. the blog post i brought up, is just the tip (and i think a shady one) of her iceberg.
2006-05-09 5:02 PM
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Opus - 2006-05-09 7:25 AM

Maybe I should make myself clear. Even though I'm not religious, I believe that all the main religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc.) are fundamentally good. To take something that is fundamentally good and use it for a purpose that is fundamentally bad adds a dimension to it which I think renders it particularly nefarious. So, if some guy says, "I hate gays", that's one thing, but if somebody says, "I hate gays because Jesus tells me that I should", I think that is worse.


Argument 1: Religions are fundamentally good.
Argument 2: Religious hate is worse than other forms of hate.

You have to believe the first argument to be true in order for the second argument to be true. While most on the board will accept your first argument to be true, I don't. But even so, I don't see a distinction between the many sources of hate.

2006-05-09 5:11 PM
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I enjoyed her witty blog. Funny, intelligent, reasoned stuff. No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!

http://www.dianablaine.com/ for those of you who would like to make up your own mind about her writings. And she has nudie pics too!

2006-05-09 5:19 PM
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Renee - 2006-05-09 2:11 PM

I enjoyed her witty blog. Funny, intelligent, reasoned stuff. No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!

http://www.dianablaine.com/ for those of you who would like to make up your own mind about her writings. And she has nudie pics too!



Everyone in all of her pictures is fat. They could spend some time on our forum instead of her blog.

just sayin...



2006-05-09 5:25 PM
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Are you kidding? Soldier boy on page 2 is HOT!
2006-05-09 7:35 PM
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Renee - 2006-05-09 6:11 PM

I enjoyed her witty blog. Funny, intelligent, reasoned stuff. No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!

http://www.dianablaine.com/ for those of you who would like to make up your own mind about her writings. And she has nudie pics too!



Really Renee: Well reasoned? This is exactly the type of ultra-liberal stuff that is offensive. IN one of her posts she calls into question some of the rights that are the corner stone of our democracy. You know that little one about innocent until proven guilty. In her post about various rapes allegedly committed by USC athletes she specificially states:"I do have history to go on: which suggests that smoke indicates fire and the person that starts the fire often walks away unscathed"

In another post she claims to have some form of inside information about a rape case and insinuates that there was something improper when the charges were dropped. Of course she makes this assertion without ever backing up with the actual information or the source of the information, so that we can judge the credibility of that information.

Again, I see this as an example of an ultra-liberal who espouses fighting for the rights of others, but in fact she only is concerned with protecting the rights of those she approves of. EVERYONE, that is EVERYONE, is presumed innocent until proven guilty. It is a fundemental right in this country, perhaps one of the most important rights. That right doesn't disappear simply because of an allegation of rape. There is no "where there's smoke there is fire" in the criminal justice system, that type of thinking is specifically impermissible in the criminal justice system.

Everyone's entitled to thier opinion. And while she may be funny, I disagree that her writtings, at least some of them, are "well reasoned".

2006-05-09 7:55 PM
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ASA22 - 2006-05-09 7:35 PM

Renee - 2006-05-09 6:11 PM

I enjoyed her witty blog. Funny, intelligent, reasoned stuff. No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!

http://www.dianablaine.com/ for those of you who would like to make up your own mind about her writings. And she has nudie pics too!



Really Renee: Well reasoned? This is exactly the type of ultra-liberal stuff that is offensive. IN one of her posts she calls into question some of the rights that are the corner stone of our democracy. You know that little one about innocent until proven guilty. In her post about various rapes allegedly committed by USC athletes she specificially states:"I do have history to go on: which suggests that smoke indicates fire and the person that starts the fire often walks away unscathed"

In another post she claims to have some form of inside information about a rape case and insinuates that there was something improper when the charges were dropped. Of course she makes this assertion without ever backing up with the actual information or the source of the information, so that we can judge the credibility of that information.

Again, I see this as an example of an ultra-liberal who espouses fighting for the rights of others, but in fact she only is concerned with protecting the rights of those she approves of. EVERYONE, that is EVERYONE, is presumed innocent until proven guilty. It is a fundemental right in this country, perhaps one of the most important rights. That right doesn't disappear simply because of an allegation of rape. There is no "where there's smoke there is fire" in the criminal justice system, that type of thinking is specifically impermissible in the criminal justice system.

Everyone's entitled to thier opinion. And while she may be funny, I disagree that her writtings, at least some of them, are "well reasoned".



as i did state there is alot of controversy over her as a teacher, the things you have cited and the fact that in an op-ed (to our school paper) said that "she holds all men responsible for rape." The biggest complaint is that she defend her statements, insted dismisses people who ask questions; and even said that it is not worth her time to, unless the person has been schooled in feminism. (at the same time saying that the periodic table of elements is a form of man trying take power from nature; keep in mind she has no degree in chemistry)

my origonal point in posting was not "i dont like her as a feminist" insted it was "she is not using the reasoning and wording correctly." I love feminists that actually make a point, i am a feminist. To her views my point is that the battle over men is very much over, the feminists need to move on their mission and fight the women who hurt them. I think the biggest undertaking for them should be to retrain/educate women so that they dont see their body as their best asset. But, that is a whole diffrent topic, and i dont mean to hijack my own thread.
2006-05-09 7:59 PM
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Renee - 2006-05-09 5:11 PM
No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!


do you have to make a personal attack? i was only questioning the reasoning of one statement.

having read her blog, my rewrite of her questional point will be better suited in this light:

"those women who chat like hens are ......"

diana would be VERY offended, ad yet it is the same structure of what i call into question.

PS im going to be interviwed by the LA times about her and the controversy.
2006-05-09 8:16 PM
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Would you want her to "teach" your children?



2006-05-09 8:22 PM
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ChuckyFinster - 2006-05-09 8:16 PM

Would you want her to "teach" your children?



esp since this is a teacher that said she prefers to teach when there are no male students, if she had her way, she would only have females in class. (and people wonder why i have avoided her class)
2006-05-09 8:52 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-05-09 4:11 AM

tyrant - 2006-05-09 5:17 AM but i think my issue is with the generalization that she made about "jesus types."

It's not really a generalization if it accurately reflects what a group is doing. make no doubt, there is a large-scale movement afoot by people who, under the guise of Christianity, seek to oppress already-marginalized groups and force *their* morality on them.

Sure, it's not representative of every Christian, but it is representative of a very large group of neo-cons who call themselves Christians.

Wait a minute,,,,,, are we agreeing on something,,,,, yep, we sure are.

Well said Jim!

 

2006-05-10 7:56 AM
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tyrant - 2006-05-09 8:59 PM
Renee - 2006-05-09 5:11 PM No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!
do you have to make a personal attack?

 

Tyrant, you refer to her blog as "dangerous ground." I'd say that is a clear indication that your knickers are in a knot. I'm not attacking you for having your knickers in a knot, just making the obvious observation that they are in a knot. I think it's a fair assumption to make that you wouldn't have posted this "dangerous ground" thread had you not had more than a casual interest in the topic.

ASA, yes, I do see reasoning in her writing. Maybe you don't like her conclusions so you discount her reasoning? As for her allegations of having inside information on a rape case, it is entirely possible that she does, in fact, have this information. She's not an attorney making a legal case. She's a person stating her personal views. I see no problem with this at all.

Though I understand her reasoning and passions regarding the Georgia Tech lawsuit, I don't agree with her conclusions. I think that the Student Code in question has the effect of squelching free speech. In principal, this is anti-American.  As a practical matter, it allows hateful parties to stay under the radar. I want them on the radar. For example, the Republican Party's gay-hate values. It's important that the Georgia Tech students be exposed to the College Republican gay-hate speech so that they can draw their own conclusions about the Republican Party values.  Squelching their party values in the name of tolerance only puts a false spin on who they are and prevents students from assessing whether their values are truly in line with the Republican Party values.

Chucky, I would have no problem with her teaching my kids (if I had them). I like a teacher who challenges conventional thinking.



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2006-05-10 8:41 AM
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ChuckyFinster - 2006-05-09 6:02 PM

Opus - 2006-05-09 7:25 AM

Maybe I should make myself clear. Even though I'm not religious, I believe that all the main religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc.) are fundamentally good. To take something that is fundamentally good and use it for a purpose that is fundamentally bad adds a dimension to it which I think renders it particularly nefarious. So, if some guy says, "I hate gays", that's one thing, but if somebody says, "I hate gays because Jesus tells me that I should", I think that is worse.


Argument 1: Religions are fundamentally good.
Argument 2: Religious hate is worse than other forms of hate.

You have to believe the first argument to be true in order for the second argument to be true. While most on the board will accept your first argument to be true, I don't. But even so, I don't see a distinction between the many sources of hate.


Argument 1 and argument 2 are both simply my opinions. I realize that both my perception of religion and my perception for the justification used to support hateful ideas are arguable. I also realize that it is very difficult to consider one form of hatred as worse than another based entirely on the justification used. I had in my mind the difference between 1st degree murder and 2nd degree murder. Both are murder, but one is premeditated, planned, rationalized and executed, the other is spur of the moment, heat of passion, ill-considered.
2006-05-10 8:48 AM
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tyrant - 2006-05-09 9:22 PM
ChuckyFinster - 2006-05-09 8:16 PM Would you want her to "teach" your children?
esp since this is a teacher that said she prefers to teach when there are no male students, if she had her way, she would only have females in class. (and people wonder why i have avoided her class)
I'm still wondering....oh, I see.


2006-05-10 10:31 AM
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tyrant - 2006-05-09 8:59 PM
Renee - 2006-05-09 5:11 PM No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!
do you have to make a personal attack?

 

Tyrant, you refer to her blog as "dangerous ground." I'd say that is a clear indication that your knickers are in a knot. I'm not attacking you for having your knickers in a knot, just making the obvious observation that they are in a knot. I think it's a fair assumption to make that you wouldn't have posted this "dangerous ground" thread had you not had more than a casual interest in the topic.

ASA, yes, I do see reasoning in her writing. Maybe you don't like her conclusions so you discount her reasoning? As for her allegations of having inside information on a rape case, it is entirely possible that she does, in fact, have this information. She's not an attorney making a legal case. She's a person stating her personal views. I see no problem with this at all.

Though I understand her reasoning and passions regarding the Georgia Tech lawsuit, I don't agree with her conclusions. I think that the Student Code in question has the effect of squelching free speech. In principal, this is anti-American.  As a practical matter, it allows hateful parties to stay under the radar. I want them on the radar. For example, the Republican Party's gay-hate values. It's important that the Georgia Tech students be exposed to the College Republican gay-hate speech so that they can draw their own conclusions about the Republican Party values.  Squelching their party values in the name of tolerance only puts a false spin on who they are and prevents students from assessing whether their values are truly in line with the Republican Party values.

Chucky, I would have no problem with her teaching my kids (if I had them). I like a teacher who challenges conventional thinking.




I'm not even really sure what your statement "Maybe you don't like her conclusions so you discount her reasoning?" means so I'm not really sure how to address it. Could you please clarify this statement? At first blush I took it as a personal attack, but on a second read I was just confused by it. So I don't want to address the point until I'm clear about what you're getting at. What conclusions do you think I don't agree with, that would lead me to question her reasoning?

And I disagree with you about her stating her opinions based upon her "inside information". She doesn't state an opinion she makes an accusation that someone was guilty of a crime and that somehow, he got away with it. There is also an implication that he got away with it because of some complicancy from the powers that be. This isn't an opinion its sladerous. You can't make that type of allegation: 'that you know someone is guilty of a crime because you have inside information' and then not back that up with some proof. It's a horrible, inflamatory, unfair, and unjust thing to say. Claiming something is "just my opinion" doesn't insulate you from improper conduct.
2006-05-11 12:55 AM
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Renee - 2006-05-10 7:56 AM

tyrant - 2006-05-09 8:59 PM
Renee - 2006-05-09 5:11 PM No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!
do you have to make a personal attack?

 

Tyrant, you refer to her blog as "dangerous ground."



Actually NO you are so f&cking wrong. I did not post her blog only one post, and I made a very distinct point to the LOGIC of the phrase. I didn’t post her link BC I had no point to my post, her logic on a small section.

As I will quote from my original post


"The part that bothered me was the generalization about Christians as seen here"

Did I say blog? Or did I say "generalizations about" I tend to think that when you have a professor who makes generalizations about a group that is what leads to stereotypes, stereotypes lead to discrimination, and discrimination leads to genocide. And I think Dianna would agree with that!
2006-05-11 6:40 AM
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tyrant - 2006-05-11 1:55 AM

As I will quote from my original post "The part that bothered me was the generalization about Christians as seen here"

Did I say blog? Or did I say "generalizations about" I tend to think that when you have a professor who makes generalizations about a group that is what leads to stereotypes, stereotypes lead to discrimination, and discrimination leads to genocide. And I think Dianna would agree with that!

The way I read it, she didn't make generalizations about all Christians. She made specific reference to one "Christian," and made a statement about that portion of the Christian population that bastardizes scripture for personal, political or monetary gain.

Nowhere that I saw did she ever say "all Christians" or "every Christian." *That* would be generalizing. 

2006-05-11 8:49 AM
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hAving asked Renee almost 24 hours ago to clarify a point she made in response to my post, and having gotten no clarification I will address what I believe was her point.

1) You are correct I disagree with the professors conclusions, some not all.
2) My disagreement with her conclusions is not what leads me to "discount her reasoning", I believe, at least as it applies to her posts on the alleged rapes that occurred on the USC campus, her reasoning is faulty.
3) her reasoning is faulty because she makes bold assertions and announces them as fact. then from this self created "fact" she reasons to her conclusion. If this self created "fact" is not a fact at all her reasoning is faulty. In this particular case she asserts that (a) the simple fact that the victim came forward means without a doubt that the suspect is guilty. Or as she says that the victim is not lying. (ii) This is not true. I'm going to say somethign that is totally un-PC, but it's reality, victims of crimes lie all the time. She's right, the vast majority of victims do not lie about such allegation, but there are some, and more than we would like to admitt. So the idea that "where there's smoke there is fire" (An attitidue that the professor specifically states in another article about rape) is simply not true.
(b) she backs up her assertion about the guilt of the suspect by saying that she has inside information, and thus this information is credible simply because she says it is, and because of this undisclosed inforamtion we should believe that the suspect is guilty. And for her, that ends the discussion. (ii) This is not only faulty, it is dangerous, and libalous. One of the fundemental principles of our Country is that every individual is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Despite what Renee says that this is just her opinion and not disclosing the source of her inside information is fine, is totally wrong. Flat out wrong. We're not talking about rumors about whether Jessica Simpson is getting divorced or is pregnent, we're talking about an allegation of Rape. Perhaps one of the most henious crimes imaginable. To claim that you know someone is guilty and to put it in print for the world to see, and say you have inside info that proves it, and then don't provide that info so that it's crediblity and voracity can be examined is horrible.
(c) She then by use of analogy calls this man, who was never charged, and who is presumed innocent, she equates him to a "pedophile priest". (iii) This is horrible. A pedophile is someone with a sexual attraction to children. Even had these allegations been true this man wasn't a pedophile. This is nothing but inflamatory rhetoric. It is made to link the suspect with a group that we all despise, i.e. pedophiles.
(d) she asserts in the form of a rhetorical question, that the simple fact that the accussed left USC and trnasferred to UNLV means he is guilty. (iv) What? Is there a possibility of another explanation. Perhaps this 18-19 year old couldn't take the public accusations of a professor. Talk about a differential in power here. A professor that teaches at the university that publishes articles and even has her own blog, and says that the man is guilty despite no charges being brought. Perhaps, just perhaps that made it too difficult to remain at the university.

I do agree with the professors assertion that victims of sexual violence are too often forgotten and left scarred for life. I see it on a daily basis. I deal with it on a daily basis. I know to intimately about allegations of sexual violence, about delays in disclosure, about the difficulty of prosecuting a case despite believeing the victim. But, I also don't believe feminist rhetoric that "where there's smoke there is fire".

And Renee' between you, the professor and myself I would bet that I have the most experience dealing with victims of sexual violence.
2006-05-14 1:22 AM
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hAving asked Renee almost 24 hours ago to clarify a point she made in response to my post, and having gotten no clarification I will address what I believe was her point.

1) You are correct I disagree with the professors conclusions, some not all.
2) My disagreement with her conclusions is not what leads me to "discount her reasoning", I believe, at least as it applies to her posts on the alleged rapes that occurred on the USC campus, her reasoning is faulty.
3) her reasoning is faulty because she makes bold assertions and announces them as fact. then from this self created "fact" she reasons to her conclusion. If this self created "fact" is not a fact at all her reasoning is faulty. In this particular case she asserts that (a) the simple fact that the victim came forward means without a doubt that the suspect is guilty. Or as she says that the victim is not lying. (ii) This is not true. I'm going to say somethign that is totally un-PC, but it's reality, victims of crimes lie all the time. She's right, the vast majority of victims do not lie about such allegation, but there are some, and more than we would like to admitt. So the idea that "where there's smoke there is fire" (An attitidue that the professor specifically states in another article about rape) is simply not true.
(b) she backs up her assertion about the guilt of the suspect by saying that she has inside information, and thus this information is credible simply because she says it is, and because of this undisclosed inforamtion we should believe that the suspect is guilty. And for her, that ends the discussion. (ii) This is not only faulty, it is dangerous, and libalous. One of the fundemental principles of our Country is that every individual is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Despite what Renee says that this is just her opinion and not disclosing the source of her inside information is fine, is totally wrong. Flat out wrong. We're not talking about rumors about whether Jessica Simpson is getting divorced or is pregnent, we're talking about an allegation of Rape. Perhaps one of the most henious crimes imaginable. To claim that you know someone is guilty and to put it in print for the world to see, and say you have inside info that proves it, and then don't provide that info so that it's crediblity and voracity can be examined is horrible.
(c) She then by use of analogy calls this man, who was never charged, and who is presumed innocent, she equates him to a "pedophile priest". (iii) This is horrible. A pedophile is someone with a sexual attraction to children. Even had these allegations been true this man wasn't a pedophile. This is nothing but inflamatory rhetoric. It is made to link the suspect with a group that we all despise, i.e. pedophiles.
(d) she asserts in the form of a rhetorical question, that the simple fact that the accussed left USC and trnasferred to UNLV means he is guilty. (iv) What? Is there a possibility of another explanation. Perhaps this 18-19 year old couldn't take the public accusations of a professor. Talk about a differential in power here. A professor that teaches at the university that publishes articles and even has her own blog, and says that the man is guilty despite no charges being brought. Perhaps, just perhaps that made it too difficult to remain at the university.

I do agree with the professors assertion that victims of sexual violence are too often forgotten and left scarred for life. I see it on a daily basis. I deal with it on a daily basis. I know to intimately about allegations of sexual violence, about delays in disclosure, about the difficulty of prosecuting a case despite believeing the victim. But, I also don't believe feminist rhetoric that "where there's smoke there is fire".

And Renee' between you, the professor and myself I would bet that I have the most experience dealing with victims of sexual violence.


and it goes cold. you had great points that i did talk about (and gave credit) to the LA times. Now io wait for it to be published.


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Doesn't this last 72 hrs or so shine almost too bright a light on the North American political culture...A wingnut on the far left, makes some brash statements about a wingnut on the far right, who had previously made some brash statements, and everybody has to draw a line in the sand, and say 'see, that's what makes your side so wrong'...clearly no 'democrat' would be a proponent of irresponsibly making declarations of fact, and chiding all who questioned it by saying 'you just don't get it'...The people on the left has been admonishing this behaviour forever...and clearly the people on the right would not, as much as they may despise the act, encourage outright hatred, based on sexual preference, colour of skin, etc.  Even the staunchest christian is supposed to believe to love thy brother...and last I checked, the US is doing their damnedest to eliminate religious oligarchies throughout the world, so they certainly can't make a case that IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, all those who don't believe in their doctrine should be eliminated.   Ultimately, while right and left disagree on how to achieve the solution to many issues, they basically just want to do what they do, and have everybody get along...wouldn't it be better if the 90% or so of us, who would NEVER do either of the two things, just admit, we don't want either one of these two clowns on our respective teams at all, and stop using them as bellweathers for our cause, as they both ultimately do more harm to any argument, than good, as both are so...out there...

 

I still, however believe in the inalienable right of teachers to do whatever necessary, to expand the minds of their students, but for the students sake, not their own...it almost seems as though the good professor doth protest too much, for as much vitriol spat at the 'male dominated heirarchy' of the USC football team (soon to be SMU'd by the NCAA, by the way...couldn't win it honestly could ya), she certainly had a whole lot of her blog photos taken on game day...seems like she would be staying far away from the stadium on Saturdays, had she really been this PO'd at the system...

 

just sayin'

 

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tyrant - 2006-05-11 1:55 AM
Renee - 2006-05-10 7:56 AM

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do you have to make a personal attack?

Tyrant, you refer to her blog as "dangerous ground."

Actually NO you are so f&cking wrong.

Perhaps you should have a look at your thread title:

USC professors blog, dangerous ground?

2006-05-14 3:51 PM
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Renee - 2006-05-14 3:33 PM
tyrant - 2006-05-11 1:55 AM
Renee - 2006-05-10 7:56 AM

tyrant - 2006-05-09 8:59 PM
Renee - 2006-05-09 5:11 PM No wonder Tyrant's knickers are in a knot!
do you have to make a personal attack?

Tyrant, you refer to her blog as "dangerous ground."

Actually NO you are so f&cking wrong.

Perhaps you should have a look at your thread title:

USC professors blog, dangerous ground?

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2006-05-14 4:05 PM
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ASA22 - 2006-05-10 11:31 AM
Renee - 2006-05-10 8:56 AM

ASA, yes, I do see reasoning in her writing. Maybe you don't like her conclusions so you discount her reasoning? As for her allegations of having inside information on a rape case, it is entirely possible that she does, in fact, have this information. She's not an attorney making a legal case. She's a person stating her personal views. I see no problem with this at all.

I'm not even really sure what your statement "Maybe you don't like her conclusions so you discount her reasoning?" means so I'm not really sure how to address it. Could you please clarify this statement?

You didn't like my opinion that I thought her writings were (among other things) reasoned. This seemed to  set you off and you demanded that I support my reasoning for calling her writing "reasoned."  Instead of ignoring your ridiculous request, I turned your question on its head. If you don't like her conclusions, maybe you're just finding fault with her reasoning? Is that really more to the heart of the matter - rather than whether you are satisfied with my reasoning about my opinions on her reasoning? Frankly, I can't imagine why you think I need to defend my opinion about her writings - other than you just want to argue.

So, my reply was me turning your question on it's head and reflecting it back at you.  If you don't like what she says, why not just lay it out there. Attack what she has to say, rather than attacking my opinion about her writings as a sideways entry into venting about her opinions. Instead, your reply seemed argumentative to me.

As for her opinion as to the guilt of the alleged rapist, I think she made her case for why she believes he's guilty. You don't. So what?

You know, some people think Rush Limbaugh is a great patriot. I think he is the worst kind of idiot. However, if someone were to say "Rush Limbaugh's insights are so wonderful" I wouldn't jump on that person and demand that they support their opinion about Rush. "How can you say that? Support your opinion!" That would just be argumentative and what's the point? People are allowed to be sympathetic to that idiot if they want to be. 

Likewise, if I read this Professors logs and find myself laughing, then I'm going to say she's witty. I don't expect you to agree that she's witty but I don't expect someone to demand that I support my POV that she's witty. I'm entitled to my opinion without someone replying "Witty? Oh, really Renee, witty? I thought her account of her cheese factory tour to be dull and dry. Explain yourself." Unless, of course, they just wanted to be argumentative.

You asked, I'm telling you. I thought you were just being argumentative. I still like you but, in this case, I didn't like your reply to me to be perfectly candid. 

As for not replying to you within 24 hours, I can't even muster a sincere "I'm sorry" because I'm not. I thought this discussion about Free Speech had devolved into valueless argumentation about whether I had sufficiently defended my opinion about the quality of the Professor's blog, so I stayed out of the thread for a few days and forgot about it, 

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