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 2012-02-09 8:37 AM in reply to: #4037433 |
Champion  10471    Dallas, TX |  Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again.Fred D - 2012-02-09 7:26 AM uclamatt2007 - 2012-02-09 1:58 AM lisac957 - 2012-02-08 4:01 PM Bripod - 2012-02-08 5:37 PM Goosedog - 2012-02-08 10:15 AM While I think I agree with you in spirit (as a small business owner myself) I don't think I agree with you in this case, and I'll tell you why. DeSoto has every opportunity to jump into this thread and defend their business or otherwise rebut the statements made by the OP. If it were some review website where there was no opportunity for a response from the vendor then I'd be with you 100%. I think if anybody wanted to go on a website talking about our company's products or service I'd be okay with that, provided I had just as much opportunity to respond to those comments and give the audience both sides of the story.lisac957 - 2012-02-08 11:13 AM All I see is you getting bent out of shape because someone said negative things about a product. I already explained exactly why I feel it is "unwarranted."
So how do you feel about review sites or aps like Yelp, Google reviews, Urban Spoon, etc...? My original point was, and still is, that as a business owner you (or someone you hire) should be constantly monitoring your brand - ESPECIALLY in today's social media age where users bee line to the internet to find reviews and base decisions sometimes solely on that. I know I do. Just look at all of the threads on this site "Should I buy XXX or XXX" - this thread is no different. There are many free programs online that will monitor social media mentions as well as ANY online mentions (of course the paid ones are better, but it's a good place to start). Then it's up to you as to how you handle those mentions - but with today's internet I think businesses should be prepared, and have a plan for, for negative feedback without a guaranteed opportunity to respond. Just the way the internet (and world) is... After reading Yelp reviews of the bar/restaurant that I work at, I have come to the conclusion people whine.... alot. The internet is fabulous for everyone being an expert without ever having to any type of confrontation. I have seen some reviews before where I know the exact customer who posted it. They won't say a word while they are there, but will give the restaurant one star and claim they were served the equivalent of dog food. It always make me laugh when I see a reviewer with 20 reviews and 19 of them are 1 or 2 star reviews. None of this has anything to do with the current topic. I just got off a long night at the the bar though and felt the need to rant. Very good point. In the medical world there are numbers of different 'rate your doc' type sites. They are usually filled with fairly negative stuff or extremely positive stuff. Most people are somewhere in the middle, but don't bother to post reviews. It's not a random sampling, but rather a self-selected group of fairly unhappy or overly happy people who feel the need to have the world hear their concerns. Of course people are entitled to rant away, hey it's the Internet. Yes it makes me a little sad that people would really pick a business or doctor based on a few bad reviews, but that's life. People do what they do. Businesses have to monitor this stuff as customers read the reviews. There are actually companies that monitor these negative reviews and 'clean them up' (reputation defender is one) Personally I put fairly low stock in the rankings of 1 or 2 people on the Internet, especially if its extremely positive or negative. I guess if there are only negative reviews it would give me pause, but as someone with a science background I have a fair bit of skepticism about self-selected business reviews. I put much more stock in processes that try to decrease SELECTION BIAS. Sorry for the hijack. I realized a few years back that people only go on review sites to complain about a product/service/etc. They RARELY go on to say anything good. I even question when something good is said, because I figure the business/Dr./etc. made the past themselves to put something good out there. So you know what I do? I don't go looking on the internet for reviews. For example, I use to read apartment reviews before I went to check a place out. I realized by doing that I was going to be too scared to move ANYWHERE. So I stopped doing it. Instead, I went to the apartments, looked at the cars in the parking lot, asked people who lived there what it was like (at the mailbox or something), and then if I were concerned, I would go at night when everyone was home from work to see what was going on. I would like to point out that I made good and bad statements about their products in this thread. It's not ALL bad. I just miss the old really awesome products they sold. |
| 2012-02-09 9:11 AM in reply to: #4037399 |
Pro 4824  Houston | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. DougRob - 2012-02-09 7:11 AM KSH: I saw you posted that you sent an email to Emilio. Sorry the response was less than you hoped for. You might try contacting him on ST as he posts there often. It might be worth another try. FWIW: One of my favorite trisuits is a Desoto Forza, I am wearing it in my avatar. However, I now wear custom suits from Epix Gear as they are my sponsor. Obviously I do not have the issues you did, but I really liked the little outside pockets on the legs of the Desoto suits. Great for gels! Yes! The reasons you love this suit are the same reasons I WISH they made a suit like this for women. I bought my husband one and was so impressed by it I was going to get one for myself until I realized it has a back zipper and no leg pockets. For anybody who makes tri clothes - side pockets are awesome! Much easier to get gels/packaging in and out than reaching behind and dealing with a flap or zipper. |
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| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Bripod - 2012-02-09 8:18 AM lisac957 - 2012-02-08 10:41 PM You and I are saying the same thing There are only so many hours in a day, and so many dollars in the "profit" column. It's not reasonable to expect someone to monitor (or pay to monitor) the entire internet for every dissatisfied (or in this case, half-dissatisfied) customer and read every bad thing being written about them. Like UCLA Matt said - haters gonna hate. I don't think it's important in every industry. I highly doubt Linda D'Andrea down in Beatrice gives a flyin' flip what people are saying on Facebook or Yelp or whatever about her services. Last year she broke the Nebraska state record for most real estate listings at a one time by a single agent. She can absorb some negativity surrounding her business because it doesn't have a material effect on her life at all. As for my business specifically, right now we're turning down about 50% of the orders that are coming in because we're so overwhelmed with work it's not even funny. If people are out there bad-mouthing me, I sure don't know about it, and I'm not going to waste my time (or money) tracking them down. I guess what I'm saying is, sometimes the best defense is a good offense. I had said earlier that after/while monitoring, the owner could then decide how they wanted to handle it (which may be not at all, depending on the weight and reach of the influencer). I guess I was more addressing your first post where you said you didn't agree with a customer making statements online where the owner didn't have an opportunity to respond. To that, I ask, how is that any different than me having a conversation with 10 of my friends and saying "I didn't really like Bripod's services, I wouldn't recommend." The internet is just another venue for word of mouth. Sometimes you have the opportunity to respond (if you are monitoring) and sometimes you don't. But I think businesses are missing a huge opportunity by choosing not to monitor what's being said about them. I think it's important in EVERY industry, especially one that deals directly with the public (doesn't yours, to some degree?). No I don't own a business but I monitor my employer's brand and created the strategy for responding (or not) to online mentions. I understand what you're saying but still maintain from a public relations/marketing/customer retention standpoint that a free monitoring service (automatic searches/emails, etc.... requires very little work besides glancing at an email) would not hurt any company. Monitor when you have time or when you feel a shift in the atmosphere, otherwise don't. It's free. I'm happy to hear your company is in such a good position. But I think you're being naive to think that a disgruntled bad mouthing will never affect your business. Obviously I don't wish that on anyone, but you'd be hard pressed to find a business this hasn't happened to at some point or another (opinions warranted or not). Related story: a local cupcake bakery recently closed and announced plans to re-open in a new location. Local paper did a story on it. The reader comments were ATROCIOUS. Talked about her horrible business plan, bad service, mediocre products. She was monitoring the comments and personally responded to every one, with a humble-lessons-learned attitude, resolve to right the wrongs, and even offers for free samples to anyone who wanted to give her another chance. To me, that was the best thing she could have done. If those comments would have gone unanswered, the negative snowball would have continued, and she likely would have lost a bunch of potential customers. Instead, she gained some. |
| 2012-02-09 11:20 AM in reply to: #4035030 |
Master 3205 ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. I have a running email going with Emilio DeSoto where I am trying to convince him to change his tri products so they are perfect for me. I think he makes the best shorts on the market but I think they can be even better. He understandably has his own ideas about what constitutes perfect tri-wear and has not yet implemented all of my suggestions. I only post this because it is unbelievably cool that a nobody like me can have a running dialogue with the owner of an awesome company. Maybe he will make some of the changes I have suggested. Maybe he won't. But whether he does or not, he clearly runs an awesome company. Hmmm. Discount???? I'm kidding. |
| 2012-02-09 12:05 PM in reply to: #4035618 |
| Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. mdg2003 - 2012-02-08 10:10 AM I've got my popcorn ready. I'll share my Jujubes if you hand over some of your popcorn. |
| 2012-02-09 12:16 PM in reply to: #4037550 |
| Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Bripod - 2012-02-09 9:18 AM There are only so many hours in a day, and so many dollars in the "profit" column. It's not reasonable to expect someone to monitor (or pay to monitor) the entire internet for every dissatisfied (or in this case, half-dissatisfied) customer and read every bad thing being written about them. Actually, it's quite easy to stay abreast of when your company's name is used online. Create a google alert and you will receive an email anytime your company's name is indexed. Easy peazy lemon squeezy. When business is good, it's easy to believe negative comments don't matter to your bottom line. When business is not good, suddenly those negative comments matter. Manage your PR for the good AND bad times. |
| 2012-02-09 1:55 PM in reply to: #4038269 |
| Master 1376 Chicago | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Renee - 2012-02-09 12:16 PM Bripod - 2012-02-09 9:18 AM There are only so many hours in a day, and so many dollars in the "profit" column. It's not reasonable to expect someone to monitor (or pay to monitor) the entire internet for every dissatisfied (or in this case, half-dissatisfied) customer and read every bad thing being written about them. Actually, it's quite easy to stay abreast of when your company's name is used online. Create a google alert and you will receive an email anytime your company's name is indexed. Easy peazy lemon squeezy. When business is good, it's easy to believe negative comments don't matter to your bottom line. When business is not good, suddenly those negative comments matter. Manage your PR for the good AND bad times. X2. This is what I use for my company and it catches 90 - 95% of when it is mentioned online. Heck, I picked up something from a disgruntled person we interviewed (and didn't hire) off of glassdoor last night. Very easy to setup an alert. |
| 2012-02-09 2:57 PM in reply to: #4037980 |
| Pro 4339 Husker Nation | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. lisac957 - 2012-02-09 10:35 AM But I think you're being naive to think that a disgruntled bad mouthing will never affect your business. If someone thinks that, then yes they're being naive. Good thing the only time someone said that in this thread was just then, when you said it. For some reason you applied it to me. Lisa, your cupcake example is heartwarming, but I'm having a hard time seeing its application here. The lady's first go-round was apparently a failure as she had to close her shop. From your description, the comments about her in the article were telling the truth that she was exercising poor business practices, had bad food, bad service, etc. She learned from her mistakes, changed her approach to how she does business, apologized to the people she had not served well, and it had a positive effect (we're assuming it did, anyway). I don't know how that compares to a business that is already doing well (at least, I assume DeSoto is doing well, maybe that's an incorrect assumption) and isn't kowtowing to one or three upset customers or former customers who have a particular taste/design preference that the company isn't meeting. Meh. I can sit here and explain how my business/industry works and how monitoring everything about my company on the internet does not add value to my business, and you guys will continue to assume you know more about my business than I do. Which in one way is kind of my point - people who are writing pissed off reviews on the internet might not be the people you're wanting to serve in the first place, and your chances of changing their minds are already pretty slim. Dave Ramsey likes to quote his grandmother as saying, "Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still." I spend so much time on the front-end, making sure I'm meeting and exceeding my client's expectations and providing high quality service, that I don't have to do a lot of clean-up on the back end. That whole offense/defense thing I mentioned earlier. |
| 2012-02-09 3:40 PM in reply to: #4038656 |
| Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. I added this thread to the desoto facebook page when it only had 4 comments on it. I thought they might like to join in. My link and comment asking them was taken down from thier page. Me I like desoto and am planning on buying a Forza tri-bibs. |
| 2012-02-09 4:37 PM in reply to: #4035030 |
| Sunny San Diego | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Hello Everyone, I would first like to thank all those who suggested to KSH to send me an email. I always respond to every email I have ever received from every customer. 22 years + and I am still doing so. I would also like to thank all of you who continue to support my small company in the different ways you have expressed. Hello KSH, Thanks to you as well for your post. I do not frequent BT much simply because I am trying to make a honest buck, and well, the BT moderators limit what I am allowed to share with all of you anyway. But this post was brought to my attention by a BT member who emailed me, to whom I am greatly thankful. I was the one who posted about 7 months ago soliciting feedback on our women's line. In fact we received over 500 responses from women all over the world. I responded personally to all 500+ emails. If I did not respond to you it means I never received your email. If you wrote it and it is still in your sent mail folder, please forward it to me again. Every woman who responded received a gift from me and you will too! The responses from the aforementioned survey resulted in us completely revamping the sizing, styling, fit, and function of all our women's garments for 2012. My team of (female) designers, who are also triathletes, worked diligently to create a collection of garments that do not resemble those of 4 years ago, or even 3 or 2 years ago. Yes, we still have some styles that are such big sellers that they did not change, but the rest of the line is all new. If our presentation makes you believe the designs are crappy, perhaps we either need to revisit the designs, or perhaps we need to revisit the work of the photographer who shot them. Believe me, I get thousands of emails and comments from people saying how great our product and our website is. I never get tired of hearing it. It is rare that anyone calls our designs crappy, so I simply need to always look at feedback like this from a business standpoint and never a personal one. So with this said, I would like to personally invite you to speak with my by phone, so that I can perhaps get some feedback from you as to what you would like to change in our designs so that can get back to being awesome again, not for the other women who already like our 2012 product, but rather awesome again for you. I look forward to hearing back from you. My email address is [email protected] |
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| Sunny San Diego | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. KSH - 2012-02-08 7:53 AM Yeah, I miss the good 'ol days when I was able to buy their tri tops. By the way, we are really happy you enjoy our trishorts. These might be the good ole days as our tritops are all newly sized and styled. |
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| Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Emilio, I see the long distance short has a different appearance, is the short redesigned? As I said in my previous post LOVE the 400 mile shorts, really like my Carrera tri shorts but the long distance tri shorts are terribly uncomfortable and see through where my 400 mile shorts in the same fabric are not. I would be willing to try them again if they have been redesigned as I love the yoga waistband. |
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| Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Fred D - 2012-02-09 4:37 PM Puppetmaster - 2012-02-09 4:40 PM Generally a big no-no cross-linking message boards in general. Probably why they pulled it down. Most forum mods/owners don't like it.I added this thread to the desoto facebook page when it only had 4 comments on it. I thought they might like to join in. My link and comment asking them was taken down from thier page. Me I like desoto and am planning on buying a Forza tri-bibs.
My bad, I did not know any better. Now that I am in my late 40's...can I use that as an excuse |
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| Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. KeriKadi - 2012-02-09 5:47 PM Emilio, I see the long distance short has a different appearance, is the short redesigned? As I said in my previous post LOVE the 400 mile shorts, really like my Carrera tri shorts but the long distance tri shorts are terribly uncomfortable and see through where my 400 mile shorts in the same fabric are not. I would be willing to try them again if they have been redesigned as I love the yoga waistband. The see-through aspect on the ladies tri-shorts is a huge plus for us male triathletes though. Seriously Emilio, thanks for an excellent product. Desoto carried me through my training and ultimate 140.6 race! Keep up the great work. |
| 2012-02-09 8:43 PM in reply to: #4035030 |
| Expert 1036 | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Must say I only use Desoto products and when I got started 3 years ago, I called Desoto with a question and the call was returned by Emilio himself, made me a lifelong customer. |
| 2012-02-10 8:53 AM in reply to: #4038827 |
| Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Emilio - 2012-02-09 4:37 PM Hello Everyone, I would first like to thank all those who suggested to KSH to send me an email. I always respond to every email I have ever received from every customer. 22 years + and I am still doing so. I would also like to thank all of you who continue to support my small company in the different ways you have expressed. Hello KSH, Thanks to you as well for your post. I do not frequent BT much simply because I am trying to make a honest buck, and well, the BT moderators limit what I am allowed to share with all of you anyway. But this post was brought to my attention by a BT member who emailed me, to whom I am greatly thankful. I was the one who posted about 7 months ago soliciting feedback on our women's line. In fact we received over 500 responses from women all over the world. I responded personally to all 500+ emails. If I did not respond to you it means I never received your email. If you wrote it and it is still in your sent mail folder, please forward it to me again. Every woman who responded received a gift from me and you will too! The responses from the aforementioned survey resulted in us completely revamping the sizing, styling, fit, and function of all our women's garments for 2012. My team of (female) designers, who are also triathletes, worked diligently to create a collection of garments that do not resemble those of 4 years ago, or even 3 or 2 years ago. Yes, we still have some styles that are such big sellers that they did not change, but the rest of the line is all new. If our presentation makes you believe the designs are crappy, perhaps we either need to revisit the designs, or perhaps we need to revisit the work of the photographer who shot them. Believe me, I get thousands of emails and comments from people saying how great our product and our website is. I never get tired of hearing it. It is rare that anyone calls our designs crappy, so I simply need to always look at feedback like this from a business standpoint and never a personal one. So with this said, I would like to personally invite you to speak with my by phone, so that I can perhaps get some feedback from you as to what you would like to change in our designs so that can get back to being awesome again, not for the other women who already like our 2012 product, but rather awesome again for you. I look forward to hearing back from you. My email address is [email protected] Hello! Thanks for the response! I want you to know that I really do love Desoto products... which is why I have been so upset that there really isn't much I want to buy from you anymore. Now, I also understand I am but one consumer in a sea of many. What I may dislike about your tri tops, maybe 500 women love it. Obviously this isn't a custom made product, and if the majority likes it... then the majority wins out. I get that. Yes, I'll have to look for that email. Although it was SO LONG ago... it might take me a long time to find it in my Sent Items folder. I didn't even want anything for my feedback... I just wanted to give you my feedback so the products could be made even better. What you are doing right is keeping the elastic out of the tri shorts, and not putting seam up the crotch. Those are the two features that keep me buying your tri shorts. They are also the two features that I tell other ladies about... and why they need to buy your brand! Now, I have had a couple of gals I know (not the majority I suppose) who didn't like the tri shorts with the V-seaming. Here are the ones I'm talking about: http://www.desotosport.com/product/WFLD I will also say that the wide waist band is rather odd, but I'm sure ladies who have a little tummy to hold in love them. Just not my thing, but I'll still wear them (the Carrera http://www.desotosport.com/product/WCTS). Although I did notice that the Forza is offering 3 pocket tri shorts, which is pretty darn cool. When you have to carry 6 gels, those extra pockets sure would come in handy! Your Forza tri top looks good. Can't tell if there is a shelf-bra in it, but it seems high enough in the neck that a gal doesn't have to worry about displaying her goods to the world. Which is very nice! Looks like the Carrera tri stop has stayed relatively the same (http://www.desotosport.com/product/WCST). I guess I'm just weird in that I don't like seams highlighting my boobs. Those seems go all around the boobs and that were the eyes go. Just not my thing when I'm already half dressed and wearing spandex in front of a bunch of strangers. What you do right with the tri tops is making them longer and hitting at the hips. Most ladies don't want a tri top that rides up and exposes her stomach. Because then the belly fat shows and that's just not attractive. So with all of that said...it looks like I just don't like the Forza long distance shorts, and the Carrera tri top. The Forza 3 pocket tri shorts and the Carrera tri shorts seems good. I also like the Forza tri top. There is a complete break down. I would also like to add that it seems like your medium has gotten larger. The last pair of tri short in medium I ordered were too big, rode up my legs horribly, and I had to return them. Odd. Thanks for the response! I appreciate it! Karen |
| 2012-02-10 4:20 PM in reply to: #4039806 |
| Member 25 San Diego | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Hi Karen- Thank you for your honesty and feedback - I am always open to hearing and receiving emails directly regarding any feedback or opinions at: [email protected]. I am very involved in the design of all of the women's line and we did increase the top length and fit to allow for a more comfortable and modest fit. We will continue to do so in 2013, perhaps even more so. We also re-did all of our women's sizing based on polling that we took from over 500 women to better suit the needs of the modern female triathlete. We've added pockets to the Forza Tri Short based on requests from women and just recently added an XL size to the Women's Bike Shorts based on requests as well. We do listen and we want to make our product better for you and other women. In regards to the wide waist band, most women find that it provides a little extra support and is actually more flattering than a small waistband that can cut into your stomach. It's also easier on the stomach for those longer races where athletes have digestion issues. In regards to the seamlines for women's tops, we haven't had complaints, but I'll take your criticism under advisement. Yes - the Women's Forza Top is a new full top which is much more supportive and has a shelf bra in it, which is actually more supportive than the Women's Carrera Sprinter Top and also doesn't have those seamlines you dislike. You will find it is also longer and allows for more coverage both over the belly and the back as you like. I'm sorry you don't care for the V in the Women's Forza Long Distance Short - although we have moved away from that and that is the last piece that we offer with that style. Please feel free to email me directly with any other feedback/comments/thoughts/suggestions you may have at: [email protected]. I'd love to hear from you! Tracy De Soto Triathlete/CFO/Attorney De Soto Clothing Inc. |
| 2012-02-10 4:38 PM in reply to: #4035649 |
| Member 25 San Diego | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Hello - Thank you for your honest feedback regarding the women's line at De Soto. Let me first tell you that I am trying to make a difference in the women's apparel line at De Soto and we have done a number of things, in my belief, that have improved the line. I work actively in the design and testing phases for all women's products, along with two other women designers and we are constantly trying to make a better product. First, in regards to the lack of pockets - we have actually added 3 pockets to our Forza Tri Short. It has one on the back and one on each leg. It is also highly functional and work really well both on the bike and the run. I have included the link here: http://www.desotosport.com/product/WFTS1. We have also greatly increased support for all of the tops - in particular, we came out with a Women's Forza Tri Top and Women's Forza Support Bra that are both super supportive (I can say that honestly going through 2 pregnancies now and breastfeeding!) We've also added a support bra to the Forza Tri Suit, though it does still have a back zipper, it has a clip in the back so you can unclip the bra really easily to stop and use the restroom without doing gymnastics! In regards to the Women's Forza Long Distance short, I am currently working on a way to make that short less transparent as I recently became aware of the problem. I believe in our 2013 line, you will see a dramatic improvement. I am also extremely open to hearing your comments and feedback if you'd like to email me directly at: [email protected]. I am a triathlete myself so I can most likely identify with what you're saying and at a minimum, empathize. Thank you! |
| 2012-02-11 7:52 AM in reply to: #4041130 |
| Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. tracydesoto - 2012-02-10 4:38 PM Thank you for posting this. I think when Emilio and I spoke your older child was 9 months, congratulations on #2. My disappointment in the LD tri shorts mostly came from thinking they would be more like the 400 mile short in feel since they are the same fabric. I think it's the sems up the back over the rear that make it so uncomfortable. When I took them off the seams left a deep impression in my butt which also bothered me while on the trainer. I am one of the women that likes the yoga style waistband and feel there are plenty of low waistband styles on the market including a few by DeSoto...... I did have the opportunity to try a bra in a store last year and the pull over bra didn't even make it under my breasts, it was so small. Honestly most smaller berated women use the shelf bra so it would seem the bra should be designed for women who have breasts. Something I am sure you can understand right now. Mine never went away after weaning #5.......... Again as you can see by my profile pic I LOVE th 400 mile shorts and I bought 2 pairs for my husband, please don't change those.Hello - Thank you for your honest feedback regarding the women's line at De Soto. Let me first tell you that I am trying to make a difference in the women's apparel line at De Soto and we have done a number of things, in my belief, that have improved the line. I work actively in the design and testing phases for all women's products, along with two other women designers and we are constantly trying to make a better product. First, in regards to the lack of pockets - we have actually added 3 pockets to our Forza Tri Short. It has one on the back and one on each leg. It is also highly functional and work really well both on the bike and the run. I have included the link here: http://www.desotosport.com/product/WFTS1. We have also greatly increased support for all of the tops - in particular, we came out with a Women's Forza Tri Top and Women's Forza Support Bra that are both super supportive (I can say that honestly going through 2 pregnancies now and breastfeeding!) We've also added a support bra to the Forza Tri Suit, though it does still have a back zipper, it has a clip in the back so you can unclip the bra really easily to stop and use the restroom without doing gymnastics! In regards to the Women's Forza Long Distance short, I am currently working on a way to make that short less transparent as I recently became aware of the problem. I believe in our 2013 line, you will see a dramatic improvement. I am also extremely open to hearing your comments and feedback if you'd like to email me directly at: [email protected]. I am a triathlete myself so I can most likely identify with what you're saying and at a minimum, empathize. Thank you! |
| 2012-03-28 4:44 PM in reply to: #4041757 |
| Member 25 San Diego | Subject: RE: I wish Desoto Sport would get back to being awesome again. Hello KeriKadi- Again, thank you for your feedback. The sizing for the bras is all new in 2012, so I think you will find this season they fit more comfortably and for larger busted women. As for the WFLD, we are currently working on changing that short- both the seam lines and the waistband and perhaps some other features for 2013. I take your feedback very seriously. I'm happy you like the 400-mile women's bike short; you'll be happy to know that we don't have plans to modify that for 2013 at this time. Please continue to email me suggestions, feedback, complaints or what you like. I'm all ears! Edited by tracydesoto 2012-03-28 4:45 PM |
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