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2010-11-11 5:46 PM
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I apologize if this is a repeat, but my suggestion is to be there watching.  Basically, I wouldn't schedule another activity while she's swimming.  Our Y is really cool in that you can be in the pool area watching on their first and final classes...and during the others, you can watch from behind the window.  

We never did an activity without a lot of prepping.  Basically, if our kids have been interested in trying out a sport they understand it is for the duration of the program.  It's totally their decision if they'd like to sign back up for the activity.  

So, in a nutshell, I don't see quitting occurring if the child is prepped and knows what to expect prior to the activity.  Lots of positive reinforcement is huge too. 

Good luck.

Oh, by the way, in the meantime, I'd get over to the pool with him before the next class.  Go have some fun in the water and sneak in some of the things he'll be doing in class so he's not scared/surprised/confused or whatever.  again, good luck.
 


2010-11-11 5:55 PM
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We are generally a 'finish what you started' family as well and haven't had to quit anything.  However, with our middle daughter we bought lessons one at a time, there is no way she would have finished a series of lessons.

For me personally there are exceptions here #1 because he is so young and #2 because it is swimming.  What is important is to find out why he hates it so much.  My concern is if this is a miserable experience for him it will leave an impression about swimming on him.  Swimming is different IMO because of the fear that can be associated with water. 

I just remembered we did quit one thing but she didn't realize it.  Again, it was my middle daughter.  She did gymnastics this summer and loved some of it but had a lot of fear when it came to heights.  A few times we left with her upset and I threw in the towel, it was my decision.  My thinking is I didn't want this to leave a negative impact on her.  She asked later if she had gymnastics and I told her we were taking a break.

You know him better than we do.  If you do stop I would not call it quitting but more taking a break.  He may not be mature enough for this class.  We did private lessons first.  Kids can feel the fear of their peers and that may be an issue.

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2010-11-11 6:13 PM
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As a kid we were not allowed to quit something we started. I tried out for wrestling as a freshman in high school. I HATED it and begged to quit, but my mom would not allow it. I realize this is a much different society that we liv ein, but I really believe that my moms tough rules have made a difference in my adult life.
2010-11-11 6:37 PM
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I agree that his age makes a difference here. When kids are older, I think it's best to make them finish out the season (or what is paid for) unless there is a real problem with the coach or team (like some others have mentioned). But when kids are 5 or under, I think it's best not to push them to finish something that they might not be ready for.

Sounds like you're handling the situation great, by figuring out why he doesn't like it, and talking to the coach.

On a side note, my 3 year old loves the water but is very stubborn and not the best at following directions. We held off on swim lessons this summer because of that. I'm thinking of putting him in swim lessons in the spring, but am fully prepared to "quit" after a couple sessions if he is being totally uncooperative (not just for his sake, but for the coach and other kids in the lesson). I think there a difference between quitting and just not being ready.
2010-11-11 7:54 PM
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trigal38 - 2010-11-11 5:42 PM 4 is not 8 or 10 or 15.  It is a very different place developmentally.  If your goal is to solidify his fears of the water, make him stay.  If he is a generally anxious guy, have a parent nearby.  Or take him to the pool individually and work on exposure and reinforcement of skills with positive expectations ("I know you are scared, but I know you can do it").  But to make him stay for the sake of learning not to quit, at this age, is not really going to work out in most cases.  The lesson he might end up learning is that the world is scary, I am not equipped to deal with it, so I will not try new things.  And if you make me do things, I will fail.

Yes, gearboy. I should know this, my degree is early childhood ed, taught preschool for 13 years. Sometimes what I learned as a student is forgotten as a parent. Good reminder.

Honestly I watched him jump off the back of our boat all summer long so I really thought we were past fear of water stuff. But, he did always want me to wipe the water off of his face



I should have mentioned in my earlier post - I used to teach 3-5 year old kids to swim at the Y. BEST JOB I ever had. Nothing is more gratifying than watching a child take a chance and take the plunge, so to speak. Even more so when they arrive terrified, as many do.

Not all kids learn the same. Not all have the same level of fear. With the kids who needed more reassurance, they got more reassurance. If they wanted to cling tightly to my neck, I let them (one at a time). The important thing was to allow them get comfortable at their own pace. To let them know that it's okay to be scared (terrified) and that nobody would force them to do anything; that they could move at their own pace. That they could TRUST me to let them move when they were ready. Made for a much easier group to teach. It was awesome to be surrounded by so many smiling, triumphant little faces.

My own experience with learning to swim - I was 7. My father stood a few feet away from me as I was hanging onto the side of the pool. He encouraged me to swim out to him. I told him not to move. He said he wouldn't move. As I began swimming to him, he began moving further away. I panicked, but I kept swimming. What I learned is that I could swim and that I should never again  trust my father in a risky situation. He wasn't willing to let me learn at my own pace. 41 years later, what I remember most about learning to swim is that I couldn't trust my father.

Risky business, pushing your kids to do things they are scared or even terrified to do.
2010-11-11 9:59 PM
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1) Goggles will make the whole experience a lot more fun for him, I promise! That will make the later games of going for diving sticks or bobbing (breathing exercises in disguise!) a lot more fun/easy. Just don't get him the "scuba diver" ones that cover the nose and eyes because that will interfere with breathing and they're kind of uncomfortable. OK for the beach, annoying in the pool. Get normal, but kid sized, swimming goggles like you'd buy for tri training. You may have to try a few different kinds before you find a pair that fit his face properly, and you may have to spend anywhere from 5-12 dollars and get a decent pair. Trust me, you can get "goggles" from the dollar store in a three pack, but they leak and are terrible.

2) A wetsuit or even just the top might help. I found that my young male students were often freezing (blue lips!) in the pool, mostly because they're just all bone and muscle when they're so young. Being cold is miserable. Being cold, in a pool, with some weird lady in a swim suit telling you to blow bubbles is even more miserable.

And finally, and I say this as a swim instructor who has taught private and class lessons...sometimes a kid just isn't ready. This isn't to say that you should quit, but different kids are ready at different times. I had a 4 year old who could swim all her strokes with decent form. I had others who never stopped crying at the beginning of lessons (but would do fine while in the water). If you think it will spoil his love of swimming or his ability to learn, then stop, regroup, try again at a later date.

Just curious, are these the "Y" style lessons or are they following the Red Cross curriculum? I've taught both, but my preference (both as a teacher and as a swimmer) is for the Y style, just because it is based on measured achievements, and only promoting a swimmer when they have reached those achievements. Instructors regularly get kids involved in that, either by sharing the chart with the student ("Hey look! We've just done bobs and floats for 15 seconds! When it comes time for test day, we can check these skills off easy peasy! Let's see what we can work on next...) or "Hey, in Starfish, you get to learn to do _____. But in order to do that, we're going to tackle _____ skill today."

Another thought: is he a social kid, or kind of quiet? Some kids do better in a group of two or three (often called "semi private") because there's a bit of competition, but every kid still gets attention. Some kids are super social and thrive in big classes. Others are really reserved or anxious and do better working one on one with a teacher. Yes, this is expensive, but I've had kids who would have definitely not done well in a group who have thrived one on one with a teacher. Lastly, does he work better with women or with men? I've found this to be more true with young girls than with boys, but some kids just work better with a female or male teacher. In one session there was one young student who would.not.work. with male instructors. She would shut down, cry, throw a huge tantrum and make herself ill if her regular instructor was not there or had called a male sub. And you are not being a pain by asking to switch instructors or switch to a different class structure (private to semi, etc).

Sorry this got long, but I love teaching kids how to swim, and I really want them to succeed. Swimming isn't math, it is more like painting. Lots of people can paint, but there's more than one way to color a canvas .

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2010-11-12 7:10 AM
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phoenixazul - 2010-11-11 9:59 PM 1) Goggles will make the whole experience a lot more fun for him, I promise! That will make the later games of going for diving sticks or bobbing (breathing exercises in disguise!) a lot more fun/easy. Just don't get him the "scuba diver" ones that cover the nose and eyes because that will interfere with breathing and they're kind of uncomfortable. OK for the beach, annoying in the pool. Get normal, but kid sized, swimming goggles like you'd buy for tri training. You may have to try a few different kinds before you find a pair that fit his face properly, and you may have to spend anywhere from 5-12 dollars and get a decent pair. Trust me, you can get "goggles" from the dollar store in a three pack, but they leak and are terrible. 2) A wetsuit or even just the top might help. I found that my young male students were often freezing (blue lips!) in the pool, mostly because they're just all bone and muscle when they're so young. Being cold is miserable. Being cold, in a pool, with some weird lady in a swim suit telling you to blow bubbles is even more miserable. And finally, and I say this as a swim instructor who has taught private and class lessons...sometimes a kid just isn't ready. This isn't to say that you should quit, but different kids are ready at different times. I had a 4 year old who could swim all her strokes with decent form. I had others who never stopped crying at the beginning of lessons (but would do fine while in the water). If you think it will spoil his love of swimming or his ability to learn, then stop, regroup, try again at a later date. Just curious, are these the "Y" style lessons or are they following the Red Cross curriculum? I've taught both, but my preference (both as a teacher and as a swimmer) is for the Y style, just because it is based on measured achievements, and only promoting a swimmer when they have reached those achievements. Instructors regularly get kids involved in that, either by sharing the chart with the student ("Hey look! We've just done bobs and floats for 15 seconds! When it comes time for test day, we can check these skills off easy peasy! Let's see what we can work on next...) or "Hey, in Starfish, you get to learn to do _____. But in order to do that, we're going to tackle _____ skill today." Another thought: is he a social kid, or kind of quiet? Some kids do better in a group of two or three (often called "semi private") because there's a bit of competition, but every kid still gets attention. Some kids are super social and thrive in big classes. Others are really reserved or anxious and do better working one on one with a teacher. Yes, this is expensive, but I've had kids who would have definitely not done well in a group who have thrived one on one with a teacher. Lastly, does he work better with women or with men? I've found this to be more true with young girls than with boys, but some kids just work better with a female or male teacher. In one session there was one young student who would.not.work. with male instructors. She would shut down, cry, throw a huge tantrum and make herself ill if her regular instructor was not there or had called a male sub. And you are not being a pain by asking to switch instructors or switch to a different class structure (private to semi, etc). Sorry this got long, but I love teaching kids how to swim, and I really want them to succeed. Swimming isn't math, it is more like painting. Lots of people can paint, but there's more than one way to color a canvas .


Don't be sorry, thanks for your interest! The lessons are Y style lessons, he is a Ray. I talked with the instructor about putting him in the pike/eel class. It is an earlier time when I would be more availabe to be around. I'm actually swimming laps during part of that  time. She said his skills are good, he's in the correct class and I know there is a little one in the pike/eel class who is terrified of water and screaming the entire time so that really does not seem like the best option. I think the goggles will be a good investment. If we can find any around here at this time of year! There aren't any male teachers at our pool but he said his teacher is really nice. His class size is small, just 4 students, and one of those is the teachers daughter. I think the class size seems perfect, he's getting attention but has other kids to play with too. He gets excited when he sees the other students around the Y so I don't think he has any problems with them.   He was laying on the floor last night doing chicken, airplane, rocket (or however that goes) so I know he's getting something out of the class at least Oh, and the shirt, we have one of those. I'll ask if he wants to wear it. He's one of those kids that is always hot though. He couldn't stand being swaddled as a baby, never wants to wear a coat, won't wear pajamma's, but I'll make sure I ask him.

2010-11-12 9:39 AM
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I perused a lot of the responses and just wanted to share my experiences.

My daughter was freaked at her swim lessons 'cause one little boy was crying the whole time... and then we got some goggles, she was off and swimmin' by herself (sort of), diving all over, completely relaxed.

I'm sensitive to the swim lesson "no you can't quit 'cause I paid for it" as when I was ~5 I would vomit before every single swimming lesson, my mom said "I couldn't figure out why you wouldn't stop vomiting so I stopped feeding you." (seriously) So then I would dry heave before every swim lesson...I hated swimming in lap pools, with other people, and avoided it like plague---up until I'm 30 and had to face these issues in order to train for triathlon. 

So, I think, if it's a continuous issue, let it go. Better to give love and understanding around a fear or anxiety than teach that money is paramount to feelings, or that fears and anxiety are to be stuffed away to please others.

That being said, there is the other end of spectrum which I think I'm seeing develop in my soon-to-be 26 year old brother, who still lives at home, and just quit his teaching position with university, his graduate classes...everything. That's another can of worms entirely though.

I hope your boy starts enjoying swimming, and I think you're doing a great job mommin'!



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