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2011-04-27 4:03 PM
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thank goodness there is a thread on this so I can say, Yes, the rest of the world is laughing at you.

And now, and now, and now Trump wants his university grades. I mean jebus man, just settle down. And taking credit, for what, and why would you want to.

And why should he provide his birth certificate. WHY WOULD ANYONE ASK???? Has anyone else ever been asked for the birth certificate? I don't know, maybe it is a common occurrence, the president has to carry their BC in their pocket for any card carrying American to examine so that they can be satisfied that the constitution wasn't somehow infringed.

The reason he was asked for his BC, the reason we now have "birthers" as a word is because his dad was from Africa....and, well, because he is black. That is why. I wonder if his dad was white and from Africa if there would have been such a birther movement. Please, if there is another reason, let me know.

And Obama should have held out on this. You give in to stupid demands, no matter how trivial, there will be more coming. It is a bad precedent.


2011-04-27 4:15 PM
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crowny2 - 2011-04-27 1:51 PM
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crowny2 - 2011-04-27 2:57 PM

Well, that didn't take long.

Not that any of this has anything to do with his eligibility.

Tea Party Nation: Hold Your Horses -- We've Got Some Other Questions About Obama's 'Eligibility'

 

Of course that has nothing to do with "Eligibility", the biggest factor behind all these crazy theories is old fashioned RACISM.

well, that didn't take long for someone to drop the race card (rolls eyes)

And Obama should have produce with certificate of birth, or whatever they want to call it, long ago.  Too much has been made of it for far too long and he decides  now to produce a copy.


And I ask, yet again, why should he be held to a higher standard than any other Presidential candidate before him?  No one has answered that question. 

Honestly, I don't know that he is held to a higher standard than any other president.    But he is also a federal employee and as such, he is required to provide a birth certificate prior to employment.  So, are other federal worker's held to a higher standard than he is?

I really don't want to make big issue over this but he could have, and should have, cleared this up long ago.  Any other federal worker would not have been hired without providing the documentation.

2011-04-27 4:29 PM
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rayd - 2011-04-27 4:15 PM
crowny2 - 2011-04-27 1:51 PM
rayd - 2011-04-27 2:45 PM
Cuetoy - 2011-04-27 1:04 PM
crowny2 - 2011-04-27 2:57 PM

Well, that didn't take long.

Not that any of this has anything to do with his eligibility.

Tea Party Nation: Hold Your Horses -- We've Got Some Other Questions About Obama's 'Eligibility'

 

Of course that has nothing to do with "Eligibility", the biggest factor behind all these crazy theories is old fashioned RACISM.

well, that didn't take long for someone to drop the race card (rolls eyes)

And Obama should have produce with certificate of birth, or whatever they want to call it, long ago.  Too much has been made of it for far too long and he decides  now to produce a copy.


And I ask, yet again, why should he be held to a higher standard than any other Presidential candidate before him?  No one has answered that question. 

Honestly, I don't know that he is held to a higher standard than any other president.    But he is also a federal employee and as such, he is required to provide a birth certificate prior to employment.  So, are other federal worker's held to a higher standard than he is?

I really don't want to make big issue over this but he could have, and should have, cleared this up long ago.  Any other federal worker would not have been hired without providing the documentation.


But that is just it.  He did!  He provided the required documentation as outlined in the Constitution to the appropriate agency.  They approved it.

Why is that not good enough? 
Why should he have to give more? 
Why does he have to go above and beyond?   
2011-04-27 4:32 PM
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Cuetoy - 2011-04-27 12:04 PM
crowny2 - 2011-04-27 2:57 PM

Well, that didn't take long.

Not that any of this has anything to do with his eligibility.

Tea Party Nation: Hold Your Horses -- We've Got Some Other Questions About Obama's 'Eligibility'

 

Of course that has nothing to do with "Eligibility", the biggest factor behind all these crazy theories is old fashioned RACISM.



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2011-04-27 4:45 PM
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2011-04-27 5:25 PM
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Fred Doucette - 2011-04-27 3:45 PM

BigDH - 2011-04-27 5:03 PM thank goodness there is a thread on this so I can say, Yes, the rest of the world is laughing at you. .

Darren, I really like ya', but honestly I could care less about who 'laughs at us', including Canadians



yeah, I suppose that was a little harsh. It probably isn't the whole world.


2011-04-27 5:31 PM
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BigDH - 2011-04-28 12:25 PM
Fred Doucette - 2011-04-27 3:45 PM

BigDH - 2011-04-27 5:03 PM thank goodness there is a thread on this so I can say, Yes, the rest of the world is laughing at you. .

Darren, I really like ya', but honestly I could care less about who 'laughs at us', including Canadians

yeah, I suppose that was a little harsh. It probably isn't the whole world.

It might be most of the world though

I was kinda surprised by the comment on the first page about how the rest of the world is mocking "you" now that Obama is president. TBH I was pleasantly surprised when you lot elected Obama after the last guy you kept in for 8 years.

But I get the feeling a lot of the political issues you have may be largely to do with the system than anything

2011-04-27 5:33 PM
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Normally, I prefer popcorn and Jujubes for threads of this nature. In this case, I think beer and wings is more appropriate.

Mmmmmm beer ...

2011-04-27 5:41 PM
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2011-04-27 5:52 PM
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Fred Doucette - 2011-04-27 4:45 PM

BigDH - 2011-04-27 6:25 PM
Fred Doucette - 2011-04-27 3:45 PM

BigDH - 2011-04-27 5:03 PM thank goodness there is a thread on this so I can say, Yes, the rest of the world is laughing at you. .

Darren, I really like ya', but honestly I could care less about who 'laughs at us', including Canadians

yeah, I suppose that was a little harsh. It probably isn't the whole world.
oh is suspect it's a lot of the world. I have canadian family and am well aware that what you stated is the opinion I've heard from them ad nauseum. But again is it my job to worry about what other people in other countries say about our leaders or us? I don't lose much sleep over it. Btw I love Canada, just making some fun


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2011-04-27 6:10 PM
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Fred Doucette - 2011-04-28 12:41 PM  ahhh, would love to visit New Zealand! However as I said to Darren, should we really care that much whether the world laughs at us. Should I care that people in NZ like Obama better than Bush? Nope. Most of us here vote for the person we think will do the best job as POTUS. Most of us really aren't listening to the comments and opinions of New Zealanders or Canadians or anywhere else regarding our POTUS and our domestic policy. I'm sorry to break this to you, but as entitled as you are to your opinions, we are also entitled not to listen to them.

Don't worry, this was not the beginning of a personal crusade to influence America's voters. I was really just trying to address the post on the first page which stated that "the rest of the world was mocking you now that Obama is president" (paraphrasing).

2011-04-27 6:22 PM
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As a person who normally gets his panties in a bunch when anything political drops, I'm just laughing that this is and ever was an issue. This is equally as stupid as people calling into question Bush's ability to lead the nation because he used to drink a lot and curse on camera. We are all entitled to our opinions about why someone is or is not qualified to lead a country, but when you get a groundswell movement towards absolutely stupidity, something else is at work in our country that has nothing to do with fixing the problems of said country.

The most ridiculous part is this:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/top-20-crazy-tea-party-reactions-to-obamas-birth

2011-04-27 6:49 PM
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I am 55 and this has to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen in politics.  The sad part is there are actualy people in the U.S. who actually believe this garbage. And to think there are people who make fun of us in Alabama because we believe Professional Wrestling is real and the landing on the moon was fake.
2011-04-27 7:23 PM
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2011-04-27 7:37 PM
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UWMadTri - 2011-04-27 4:22 PM

As a person who normally gets his panties in a bunch when anything political drops, I'm just laughing that this is and ever was an issue. This is equally as stupid as people calling into question Bush's ability to lead the nation because he used to drink a lot and curse on camera. We are all entitled to our opinions about why someone is or is not qualified to lead a country, but when you get a groundswell movement towards absolutely stupidity, something else is at work in our country that has nothing to do with fixing the problems of said country.

The most ridiculous part is this:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/top-20-crazy-tea-party-reactions-to-obamabirth



Until the link, we, if you can believe it or not were pretty much in agreement.

Now pardon me while I go back to reading my KKK literature.


2011-04-27 7:40 PM
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Fred Doucette - 2011-04-27 5:23 PM
MalcolmG - 2011-04-27 7:10 PM

Fred Doucette - 2011-04-28 12:41 PM  ahhh, would love to visit New Zealand! However as I said to Darren, should we really care that much whether the world laughs at us. Should I care that people in NZ like Obama better than Bush? Nope. Most of us here vote for the person we think will do the best job as POTUS. Most of us really aren't listening to the comments and opinions of New Zealanders or Canadians or anywhere else regarding our POTUS and our domestic policy. I'm sorry to break this to you, but as entitled as you are to your opinions, we are also entitled not to listen to them.

Don't worry, this was not the beginning of a personal crusade to influence America's voters. I was really just trying to address the post on the first page which stated that "the rest of the world was mocking you now that Obama is president" (paraphrasing).

No worries. My dream would be to one day do IMNZ. I've heard nothing but good things about NZL.

The world 'mocked' us when Clinton had the Lewinsky scandal.
The world 'mocked' us the entire 8 years of the Bush presidency.

It won't be the first or last time.

Truthfully most people here just don't care that much, nor should we care what the 'world' thinks about domestic/POTUS issues.

The birther stuff honestly is more embarassing for serious Republican candidates imho. Too extreme even for most opposed to the current POTUS (including myself). Not disimilar from the "impeach Bush" stuff or the "try Bush/Cheney for war crimes" movements. Serious candidates like Obama had to skirt those crazy movements, just as serious Republican candidates will have to dance away from this issue.

Situation normal in American Politics.



When you are at the top, (we may be on a downward spiral time will tell) and you stumble everyone around will have a birds eye view. The real problem will be when things like this occur and no one around the world notices or cares.
2011-04-27 8:01 PM
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crowny2 - 2011-04-27 4:29 PM
rayd - 2011-04-27 4:15 PM
crowny2 - 2011-04-27 1:51 PM
rayd - 2011-04-27 2:45 PM
Cuetoy - 2011-04-27 1:04 PM
crowny2 - 2011-04-27 2:57 PM

Well, that didn't take long.

Not that any of this has anything to do with his eligibility.

Tea Party Nation: Hold Your Horses -- We've Got Some Other Questions About Obama's 'Eligibility'

 

Of course that has nothing to do with "Eligibility", the biggest factor behind all these crazy theories is old fashioned RACISM.

well, that didn't take long for someone to drop the race card (rolls eyes)

And Obama should have produce with certificate of birth, or whatever they want to call it, long ago.  Too much has been made of it for far too long and he decides  now to produce a copy.


And I ask, yet again, why should he be held to a higher standard than any other Presidential candidate before him?  No one has answered that question. 

Honestly, I don't know that he is held to a higher standard than any other president.    But he is also a federal employee and as such, he is required to provide a birth certificate prior to employment.  So, are other federal worker's held to a higher standard than he is?

I really don't want to make big issue over this but he could have, and should have, cleared this up long ago.  Any other federal worker would not have been hired without providing the documentation.


But that is just it.  He did!  He provided the required documentation as outlined in the Constitution to the appropriate agency.  They approved it.

Why is that not good enough? 
Why should he have to give more? 
Why does he have to go above and beyond?   

Doesn't anyone want to take a serious crack at answering my questions?
2011-04-27 8:21 PM
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crowny2 - 2011-04-27 9:01 PM 
But that is just it.  He did!  He provided the required documentation as outlined in the Constitution to the appropriate agency.  They approved it.

Why is that not good enough? 
Why should he have to give more? 
Why does he have to go above and beyond?  

I'll play.  But, before I answer your questions, can you tell me what the required documentation was and what is the appropriate agency?  I think this is where we stalled out last time this came up.

ETA: Oh, and where in the Constitution is this required documentation outlined?  Thanks. 

 



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2011-04-27 9:34 PM
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UWMadTri - 2011-04-27 4:22 PM

As a person who normally gets his panties in a bunch when anything political drops, I'm just laughing that this is and ever was an issue. This is equally as stupid as people calling into question Bush's ability to lead the nation because he used to drink a lot and curse on camera. We are all entitled to our opinions about why someone is or is not qualified to lead a country, but when you get a groundswell movement towards absolutely stupidity, something else is at work in our country that has nothing to do with fixing the problems of said country.

The most ridiculous part is this:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/top-20-crazy-tea-party-reactions-to-obamabirth



Now pardon me while I go back to reading my KKK literature.
I KNEW IT! :p You've got to admit that some of those quotes in that link are from people not occupying the same realm of sanity as the rest of us.
2011-04-27 9:52 PM
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crowny2 - 2011-04-27 9:01 PM
crowny2 - 2011-04-27 4:29 PM
rayd - 2011-04-27 4:15 PM
crowny2 - 2011-04-27 1:51 PM
rayd - 2011-04-27 2:45 PM
Cuetoy - 2011-04-27 1:04 PM
crowny2 - 2011-04-27 2:57 PM

Well, that didn't take long.

Not that any of this has anything to do with his eligibility.

Tea Party Nation: Hold Your Horses -- We've Got Some Other Questions About Obama's 'Eligibility'

 

Of course that has nothing to do with "Eligibility", the biggest factor behind all these crazy theories is old fashioned RACISM.

well, that didn't take long for someone to drop the race card (rolls eyes)

And Obama should have produce with certificate of birth, or whatever they want to call it, long ago.  Too much has been made of it for far too long and he decides  now to produce a copy.


And I ask, yet again, why should he be held to a higher standard than any other Presidential candidate before him?  No one has answered that question. 

Honestly, I don't know that he is held to a higher standard than any other president.    But he is also a federal employee and as such, he is required to provide a birth certificate prior to employment.  So, are other federal worker's held to a higher standard than he is?

I really don't want to make big issue over this but he could have, and should have, cleared this up long ago.  Any other federal worker would not have been hired without providing the documentation.


But that is just it.  He did!  He provided the required documentation as outlined in the Constitution to the appropriate agency.  They approved it.

Why is that not good enough? 
Why should he have to give more? 
Why does he have to go above and beyond?   

Doesn't anyone want to take a serious crack at answering my questions?

This article addresses where the issue started. Apparently his relatives are the ones who created the doubt of his birth place.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074



2011-04-28 7:11 AM
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In case anybody is wondering, the thread was cleaned up due to an inappropriate post that made sweeping generalizations about people. Those that responded to it were deleted as well to preserve the thread as is.

We all know political threads are difficult.  Keep it to the subject.

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2011-04-28 8:10 AM
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DerekL - 2011-04-28 8:11 AM

In case anybody is wondering, the thread was cleaned up due to an inappropriate post that made sweeping generalizations about people.

I miss all the fun.

 

2011-04-28 8:15 AM
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Does President Obama think we are stupid? This is obviously a fake! I know there weren't PDFs in 1961!!!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-cert...
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Goosedog - 2011-04-27 8:21 PM

crowny2 - 2011-04-27 9:01 PM 
But that is just it.  He did!  He provided the required documentation as outlined in the Constitution to the appropriate agency.  They approved it.

Why is that not good enough? 
Why should he have to give more? 
Why does he have to go above and beyond?  

I'll play.  But, before I answer your questions, can you tell me what the required documentation was and what is the appropriate agency?  I think this is where we stalled out last time this came up.

ETA: Oh, and where in the Constitution is this required documentation outlined?  Thanks. 

 


Fair enough.  The only requirements as outlined by the Constitution are 1. Natural born citizen 2. 35 years or older and 3. been a resident for at least 14 years.  The Constitution does not state what documentation is needed.  I over stated.  I was wrong.

But that does not change the fact that Obama submitted the exact same documentation that every other president has submitted.  He did what every other one did.  Why, again, was he held to a different standard?
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