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abbiesue - 2009-10-13 3:32 PM Hey all...has everyone recovered from their races this weekend? Awesome job by everyone!

I decided against doing the half this coming weekend... ... i am still having issues with my foot...so much so i actually went to the doctor today! turns out he said i have Morton's Neuroma...he said it is a very common over use injury in runners. To start i am going to try anti-inflammatory medication for 10 days. Hopefully it will help!  Then i will be ready to sign up for another half and reprieve myself.

Now that you mention it being overuse and common to runners, I bet it's the same exact thing I had once. :-)

I just did a quick search and they say it can happen from footwear as well, which is one thing we thought.  It can also happen from overpronation, or running a lot on hard surfaces.  If you can run on a trail, or grass, or even asphalt, over concrete, that is better.

I can't remember when and how mine went away but for some reason I think it was occurring at Disney which would mean I had a break after that race before my next marathon.

How is everyone doing this week?  I guess many of us are in recovery from last week's races. :-)   I had a good week of running, might have gained back some of the speed and energy that I lost for a few weeks.

Steve, are you doing the Dec 19 Celtic Solstice run that you sent me?  That's a pretty good race, and hard to find ones at that time of year.  And you really do see the premiums everywhere.  It's great that Falls Road offers races on the cheap $15 without a premium, I have too many of those things anyway.  That's a pretty good race, and the spiced wine afterward is awesome.  It's going to be crazy crowded though.

The Ironman Kona lottery is open right now.  $40 for general entry and another $50 for 'The Passport Club" which gets you nothing but entry entries into the lottery.  I got in for $40.  I don't like gambling in lotteries but I figure this is my only chance to get to Kona and it's for charity so why not.

Roger and I are headed to the JFK course tomorrow if you want to join us.  We are no longer doing our crazy bike ride in the rain idea for the shuttle.  2 road mile, 13.5 trail miles.  Includes one of my favorite spots in Maryland, the Weverton overlook.

Here's another interesting story about pacing on your normal weekly runs and races:

Your Magic Mile

LOL hey we got a new person in the mentor group? :-)  Wow it's been a while.

Yes that is cool add me to your friends list.  I read a lot about training, probably too much. :-)

Speaking of which, I wonder if I should do another mentor group in January when they do it again, this one was fun.  But I'm not sure I can devote that kind of time right now, who knows!

If you haven't seen this yet, one of the BT coaches here (Jorge) is doing a cycling clinic online for us for free, to increase our cycling speed.  I'd like to do it, but it sounds painful and time consuming.  But we all want to get faster, right?

Improve your cycling power over the winter

The plan is 12-14 weeks, based on power (using a power tap that we all don't have yet :-)), but he's planning on having some option available for us normal folks with maybe a heart rate monitor, or just using RPE (rate of perceived effort, aka LOE level of effort).

I need to get a power tap one day.

I'm not going anywhere, I was just wondering if I should do the mentor group that they will start up in January.  I think I can handle the steady stream of questions coming into this thread these days pretty easily. ;-)

So what's the next goal for everyone?  What carrot do we all have out there to get us motivated and out the door?

It's good that you recognize that and aren't pushing through it, that is definitely an issue that needs to be addressed.

In that case I would say to make Eagleman a low priority in the training season.  Just train to be able to do the distance, don't worry about how well you do.  It'll be a HIM to just kick off the season.  Set up another late season HIM as your race-ready training.

Yep that's a tough one.  For IMFL I was injured the last 7 weeks so I was indoors.  For IMAZ I think I took off work on the good weather days of the week.  You can usually find 1 or 2 decent weather days at this time of year.  It's tough taking off work but when you sign up for an IM you are deciding on having it take over your life anyway.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that's a typo. :-)  It makes no sense and does not fit in with the paces they are giving for the other two sports.  It's also not the traditional IM thought, and in reality there aren't that many people doing sub 10 in an IM. :-)

I am betting IMFL goes online this year, but I would definitely be on that computer when it opens, and keep in mind that the time zone is 1 hour off ours.

Yes, the IM branded race is well worth it, very exciting.  Of course I have never done a non-IM IM.  But even if you did one, that does not take away from your achievement.  Chesapeakeman also has a lot less people out on the course, if it would bother you to be walking in the dark, with no one else around for encouragement.  It's going to happen, because I would even expect it for myself. :-)  It's a pretty discouraging time of the day, and I like having people around.

I am liking what I hear about Beach To Battleship.  Roger and I are thinking that one too.  IMWI is also in the mix for a charity slot.  Also, the Rev3 Triathlon is having a full IM next year, and is at an amusement park.  But at $500 I think I'd rather doing an IM brand.

Wilmington, NC.  It has a half and a full.  Last year was its first year, and reports are that it's a great race.  It's due to come up again Nov 7th.

Group, Terps4421 is Linda.  She ended up in my pace group at Baltimore (and finished with us), and we didn't know we were both Bters until we posted our race reports.  Kind of interesting.  Linda reminds me a bit of Abbie with really impressive run training that should get really good race times if we can just fine tune it a bit..

Haha, I think you mean toenails surgically removed. :-)  I've read about that.  I haven't read "Born to Run" yet but people have been telling me to read it.

There are at least 3 thoughts on JFK from 3 clubs in the area:

1.  Annapolis Striders - very strict schedule with high mileage running, most critical piece is back to back long runs on most weekends.  2 marathons are in that plan.

2.  NCR Trail Snails - mostly a marathon type schedule, with a 16.5 mile AT run on the JFK course added in, as well as a 35 mile flat run on the course.

3.  Reston Runners (1/3rd of the field belong to this club and their training guides) - "train for a marathon, do a marathon, and you are ready"

I have talked to and heard #3 enough times that I am all over that one.  Plus, at Lake Placid, I learned that I can be completely wiped, lacking nutrition, and reduced to walking with 26 miles left, and still pull off a decent 5:10 marathon.  That gives me confidence that I can do that type of walk/run in JFK fairly decently.  Most people do JFK with a walk/run plan and that's why you can get away with a lower mileage plan than you would think.

I am looking to just experience JFK, I don't really care about my time as long as I make the cutoffs.

My plan is a modification of #3 in that I am doing 3 marathons in my buildup.  The first one was for speed (but was a bad day), the 2nd one was moderate pace, and 3rd is undetermined.

I didn't feel like I needed a recovery from last week's 17 mile trail run.  At the moment I feel a bit tired but my sleep has been erratic as well.  We'll find out tomorrow when I try that run again.

Haha, you're not supposed to notice that. ;-)  I do "preach" some things that I struggle with, but that's part of being human.  I really do want to take a break at some point and see if I can get some things healed up.  Those times never occur though!  Right now I am looking for post Disney to be my rest period.  And hopefully by then I will know that I made it into the Bay Swim lottery so I can totally focus on swimming and crush it!

That's funny, because on Sunday I ran with someone who is really fast (she just got back from Kona!) and she blew away from me on the first 2.4 miles with is all uphill paved road.  I was worried that it was going to be a really long day because I am struggling and still behind her.  But once we hit the trail she was no longer able to be the leader and just followed my lead, because the rocks were just too much for her.  That was her first time on the trail.  I am glad that in the end I did not bore her by going too slow.

I've done long runs on the C&O before but never a race.  I'm not sure I will have trouble with it because I spend a lot of thinking time focusing on my breathing, form, etc, plus in this race I will have the walk/run method to be thinking about and keep me busy.  We will see.

Sorry for the delay, I've had a really bad last 7 days.  I didn't sleep much in the days before the race.  The marathon was really hilly, windy, and rainy.  I banked in almost 2 minutes of time so that the group can take it up the hills slower, but we had two 2nd half pacers who just didn't care about bleeding off the banked time on the hills, so in the end we came in way too far ahead of pace, like 4:12:58.

We had a couple of wind spots where it was at least 40mph.  Pretty nasty.

The knee that I hurt on the JFK course a couple of weeks ago, is hurting pretty badly and is swollen.  I went to the doc last night and there is no break that they see on the xrays.  Maybe my knee is just swollen from those hills and being hit 2 weeks ago.

Our pace group had one runner from beginning to end.  Another guy fell off at mile 24 or so.  The bulk of the pack fell off around mile 19-20 when we hit the last significant hill.  I think we could've held onto them longer if we took it easy on the hills like I planned.

In the end it's another marathon, which means we are healthy enough to do such things, which is a blessing.

Oh and apparently I am supposed to get free shoes, which is really nice, but the store was closed and I am home now.  I am trying to see if I can get my aunt to pick them up.