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Originally posted by dag5306 I finished my first sprint Tri today. I didn't know what to expect, but had a great time and now have the bug big time. The swim was a bit easier than I had anticipated and felt great going into the bike. There was a strong wind in my face during the first half of the bike, I made the turn thinking I would make up some time with the wind behind me. I got a flat with about 3 miles left and spent about 25 mins taking care of that problem, just my damn luck! I ran a 32 min 5K with one rest room break. If it wasn't for that flat I would been extremely happy with how the day went. All in all I was happy with how everything went for my first time around. I plan on doing a few more sprints after the new year and then possibly bumping up in distance. Still have some work to do in the pool! Including my flat my time was 1 Hr 30 mins and change.

DAg.. with a 25 minute flat.. that is an EXCELLENT time, first one out or not.



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Originally posted by Mfechter67 Need some advice... I'm still having some issues with my toes tingling in my bike shoes after about 1/2 hour. I've had several qualified bike fittings, so I don't think it's bike fit. I think it's shoes, and not enough room in the toe box. I have Specialized road bike shoes and after doing some research, I think they run narrow. If I ride without socks it's a little bit better, but still not great. Also, I don't want to race without socks, because I hate running through transition barefoot. Does anyone have any experience with a bike shoe (preferably a tri shoe) that has a wider toe box?

I had the same problem. I eneded up using super thin socks and not tightening the shoe straps all the way. I tried every shoe my LBS had and evidently there is no shoe wide enough for my foot. The good news is that my solution worked after buying the least painful shoe.

2015-11-09 7:36 PM
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Originally posted by bulfrog

So, after Sunday morning, I'm officially a triathlete again. First one in about 2 years.

My goal going in was firstly to finish, 2ndly to try and enjoy myself and see how my fitness is coming along. I did no tapering of any sort building up to the race, as its not a targeted event for me.

The course was the standard sprint distances 500m swim, 20km bike and 5km run (4.7km according to my garmin) My expected times were 10 minutes for the swim, 45-50 for the bike, and 35 plus for the run, plus a few minutes for transitions, for a total of 1 hour 30-40

I might do a proper race report, but the cliff notes version is:

Swim 9:09
Bike 49:57 Including both transitions (45:45 actual riding according to the garmin)
Run 28:49

Total, 1:27:55

Very very happy with my weekends effort. I did not expect to do so well, especially on the run. (the course was short, but I was still 30 sec/km faster than my most optimistic hope)

For those who like pictures, https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.953413414730499.1073741840...


You called it nicely. Well done Sir!
2015-11-09 7:42 PM
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Need some advice... I'm still having some issues with my toes tingling in my bike shoes after about 1/2 hour. I've had several qualified bike fittings, so I don't think it's bike fit. I think it's shoes, and not enough room in the toe box. I have Specialized road bike shoes and after doing some research, I think they run narrow. If I ride without socks it's a little bit better, but still not great. Also, I don't want to race without socks, because I hate running through transition barefoot. Does anyone have any experience with a bike shoe (preferably a tri shoe) that has a wider toe box?

I'm sort of like the ugly step-sister in Cinderella, I can't even get my feet INTO any of the real bike shoes I have tried. My LBS even brought in four pairs for me to try. So it is unlikely I will be doing my tris in anything other than my running shoes. Plus side, should save me time in T2.
2015-11-09 7:43 PM
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6/20 - Bike - 16m 48s - 4.50 miles - 16.07 Mi/hr
Straight from the school to the gym. Nice little ride on the ExpressoCycle. Wanted to do a second course but there was a line of people waiting and I had to surrender the bike.
2015-11-09 8:33 PM
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Mailed my registration in for the South Little League's Turkey Trot this morning. Since it's before the 13th I am guaranteed a race t-shirt. The registration form only listed up to a 2X, but I wrote in 3X? next to it. Maybe I'll get lucky. I still can't answer my wife's question. "Why are you paying $15 to walk the same Riverwalk that we can do any day for free?" Hopefully I'll get the 3X t-shirt and then I can tell her it was to pay for the shirt. After all, a Harley Davidson t-shirt costs at least $30 or more.

Race day is Sat, 11/21. I'd like to see a time under 50m for the 5k.


2015-11-10 6:50 AM
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Originally posted by bulfrog So, after Sunday morning, I'm officially a triathlete again. First one in about 2 years. My goal going in was firstly to finish, 2ndly to try and enjoy myself and see how my fitness is coming along. I did no tapering of any sort building up to the race, as its not a targeted event for me. The course was the standard sprint distances 500m swim, 20km bike and 5km run (4.7km according to my garmin) My expected times were 10 minutes for the swim, 45-50 for the bike, and 35 plus for the run, plus a few minutes for transitions, for a total of 1 hour 30-40 I might do a proper race report, but the cliff notes version is: Swim 9:09 Bike 49:57 Including both transitions (45:45 actual riding according to the garmin) Run 28:49 Total, 1:27:55 Very very happy with my weekends effort. I did not expect to do so well, especially on the run. (the course was short, but I was still 30 sec/km faster than my most optimistic hope) For those who like pictures, https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.953413414730499.1073741840...

Strong work! There is almost  no better feeling than going faster than you hope.

2015-11-10 8:56 AM
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Originally posted by WebFootFreak
11/9: 1.19mi, 14:50 (12:29 pace).
Got my run in after work, but before the family got home from Church.
1/6 runs for the week.


I did it again and got a day off...
11/8: 1.19mi, 14:50 (12:29 pace).
11/9: 1.13mi, 15:03 (13:22pace).
2/6 for the week, 6/26 for Nov (should be at 8)

Originally posted by dag5306

I finished my first sprint Tri today. I didn't know what to expect, but had a great time and now have the bug big time.

The swim was a bit easier than I had anticipated and felt great going into the bike. There was a strong wind in my face during the first half of the bike, I made the turn thinking I would make up some time with the wind behind me. I got a flat with about 3 miles left and spent about 25 mins taking care of that problem, just my damn luck! I ran a 32 min 5K with one rest room break. If it wasn't for that flat I would been extremely happy with how the day went. All in all I was happy with how everything went for my first time around. I plan on doing a few more sprints after the new year and then possibly bumping up in distance. Still have some work to do in the pool! Including my flat my time was 1 Hr 30 mins and change.


Sorry I didn't get to this sooner but... Awesome Job.

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I saw them several times there. I did not say anything because I could not remember the exact description of the shirts and I had my phone stolen so I couldn't check here. How did your Mentor do?




I posted it a few poists back... too lazy to go look for it, lol!


Originally posted by bulfrog

So, after Sunday morning, I'm officially a triathlete again. First one in about 2 years.

My goal going in was firstly to finish, 2ndly to try and enjoy myself and see how my fitness is coming along. I did no tapering of any sort building up to the race, as its not a targeted event for me.

The course was the standard sprint distances 500m swim, 20km bike and 5km run (4.7km according to my garmin) My expected times were 10 minutes for the swim, 45-50 for the bike, and 35 plus for the run, plus a few minutes for transitions, for a total of 1 hour 30-40

I might do a proper race report, but the cliff notes version is:

Swim 9:09
Bike 49:57 Including both transitions (45:45 actual riding according to the garmin)
Run 28:49

Total, 1:27:55

Very very happy with my weekends effort. I did not expect to do so well, especially on the run. (the course was short, but I was still 30 sec/km faster than my most optimistic hope)

For those who like pictures, https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.953413414730499.1073741840...


Way to kill it!!
2015-11-10 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by ceilidh I am heading to Pensacola tomorrow to cheer on a couple of friends doing IMFL.
My mentor and his family are on the way down there now. If you see the OMG bright yellow shirts with #TeamFerris on it... that's them. This is his first IM distance, and he's been busting his tail getting ready.
Phil, my mentor and friend, is now officially an Ironman! Bib: 2143 Swim: 1:28:18 (2:17/100m) T1: 15:57 Bike: 7:39:54 (14.61mi/h) T2: 12:36 Run: 6:32:08 (14:58/mi) Total: 16:08:53 His estimated finish was 15:00:00. I haven't heard from him directly yet, but the swim looks like it went as expected, maybe a touch slow. The bike was estimated at 8-8.5 hrs. His run is what got him. The first 2 splits were in his normal 11:00-12:00 pace, but he slowed way up after that with one split being 16:57/mi pace. The only important thing at this point is that he crossed the finish line in time allowed.

Don't know how I missed this.

Finishing the swim at all was an accomplishment. The waves getting in were scary! I was terrified watching them trying to get the paratriathletes out over the breakers in rafts. One raft flipped over! Damn, paralyzed person in surf. (They were okay, but could not get them over the breakers again, so they did not race).

2015-11-10 11:31 AM
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that sucks... I've heard both FL races are a crap shoot when it comes to the surf. In fact, they cancelled the 70.3 swim last year when he was there
2015-11-10 1:05 PM
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Originally posted by WebFootFreak that sucks... I've heard both FL races are a crap shoot when it comes to the surf. In fact, they cancelled the 70.3 swim last year when he was there

yah, the same race last year had the swim cancelled.



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11/10: 1.05mi, 15:03 (14:22 pace)
Legs were really tight...

Planning on enjoying my rest day today.
2015-11-12 3:08 PM
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7/20 - Walk - 50m - 3.10 miles - 16m 07s /Mi
Dreadmill at target race pace for the Turkey Trot on the 21st. No blisters.
2015-11-15 9:31 AM
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Weight: 264
Swim: Nyet
Bike: Nada
Run: 3/6

I'm not sure if this is burn out or what... There's just no push right now. I did run (haha) into the issue y'all were worried about with my runs: by Wed my legs were so tore up, I didn't go out the rest of the week. This has happened the last 2-3 weeks. I was trying to work to the 15(x3)/30(x2)/45min(x1) run base, but I can't even handle 15x6 so... starting today 15 will be my long run. 5/10/15 it is. With Wed as my rest day, I will attempt a full week (5-10-5-10-5-15) starting Thurs. Until then:

11/15: .75mi in 10:01 @13:25 pace.

Sad part is that 6 15:00 runs was the same as the 3 30:00 runs I was doing with c25k...
2015-11-15 2:07 PM
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So this week's recap isn't pretty. Wasn't feeling great mid-week. Wednesday was a sick day from work. I didn't get to swim and I didn't get on the bike. I did manage a treadmill run on Fri and another today. So at mid-month, I've completed 8/20 workouts. I'm not counting my 30 day ab challenge. I'm on day 13/30 so it's not all bad. I still have a shot at 20/20, but I know I won't get the swims done. I'll sub in runs, bikes and a dry land swim strength plan I found.
2015-11-15 2:34 PM
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I'm not sure if this is burn out or what... There's just no push right now. I did run (haha) into the issue y'all were worried about with my runs: by Wed my legs were so tore up, I didn't go out the rest of the week. This has happened the last 2-3 weeks. I was trying to work to the 15(x3)/30(x2)/45min(x1) run base, but I can't even handle 15x6 so... starting today 15 will be my long run. 5/10/15 it is. With Wed as my rest day, I will attempt a full week (5-10-5-10-5-15) starting Thurs. Until then:


It takes a long time to get your body ready to run 6-7 days a week. Take it easy and don't get discouraged that you can't do as much as you'd like at the moment. Just keep plugging away and in a few months look back and be amazed at how far you've come. Its a marathon, not a sprint.

Side note, are you straight running? or using a run/walk technique? At the start of the year all my runs were run/walk, and even now my long and medium runs are run/walk. It can be a great tool to reduce the stress on your body.


2015-11-15 3:08 PM
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Well my week didn't go totally to plan.

I got a new pair of running shorts this week, with the tights built in, instead of wearing them separately. Long story short I was silly and wore them on for the first time on my long run, 90 minutes later much chafe-age, new shorts thrown away and no more running for a few days.

Nothing new on race day, or on long runs.

Anyway, for the week I ended up with
S: 1 pool swim, 800m, 16:20
B: 1 ride saturday, 25.8km, 2:01:25
R: 2 short, 1 medium, 1 long run, 29.8km, 3:30:07 for a total of 5 hours 17.

This week is a bit of a short week. Friday afternoon the wife and I are off to the sunny Bay of Islands and I will be running a half marathon on Saturday morning. This is the first event I ever did, so a bit of a trip down memory lane. Again, my goal is not going to be to set a PB, that's wayyy out of reach. But to not set a new personal worst time. My current worst HM is 2:30:xx (2:37:xx if we count the run in my HIM, but I don't think that counts) If I can match my recent long run paces, I will be just under that at 2:28:xx. But more realistically I expect to be a bit slower (my long runs are only 12-13km, so just over half way) I'm picking 2:35 +/- 5 minutes.
2015-11-15 4:42 PM
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Good luck and have fun on Saturday!

Originally posted by bulfrog
Side note, are you straight running? or using a run/walk technique? At the start of the year all my runs were run/walk, and even now my long and medium runs are run/walk. It can be a great tool to reduce the stress on your body.


Running. I figured, obviously incorrectly, that the times were short enough for my fitness level...
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Friday - 8/20 - Walk - 34m 51s - 2.00 miles - 17m 25s /Mi
Slightly better than my usual 17:30 pace. It was all I had time/motivation for after a day of high school.

Saturday - 9/20 - Walk - 1h 19m 31s - 4.54 miles - 17m 30s /Mi
I set out to just have a nice leisurely stroll around the River Rd and wound up turning in my usual average pace. Guess I can't complain.

Sunday - 10/20 - Walk - 1h 18m 42s - 4.54 miles - 17m 20s /Mi
Tried to step it up a tiny bit, was kind of hoping to break 17m, but that didn't happen. Still, it is over 4.5 miles. Better than nothing. You may have noticed I have been focusing on walking this week. That's because I have registered for the SWmspt LL Turkey Trot on Sat the 21st. I would REALLY like to break the 17m mark that day.

Monday - Rest Day
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Good luck and have fun on Saturday!

Originally posted by bulfrog
Side note, are you straight running? or using a run/walk technique? At the start of the year all my runs were run/walk, and even now my long and medium runs are run/walk. It can be a great tool to reduce the stress on your body.


Running. I figured, obviously incorrectly, that the times were short enough for my fitness level...


If you continue to struggle, have a play around with a run walk. FWIW, the Galloway website says you should use 30sec run, 30sec walk at your pace (mind you I don't do what that site says I should run at). I've found over the years that I am faster overall using a run/walk, and find the run much easier. And besides, my goal (and yours) is a HIM. I know I'm going to be walking at some point in that (even if only water stops) may as well train the way I'll race.
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Originally posted by WebFootFreak

Good luck and have fun on Saturday!

Originally posted by bulfrog
Side note, are you straight running? or using a run/walk technique? At the start of the year all my runs were run/walk, and even now my long and medium runs are run/walk. It can be a great tool to reduce the stress on your body.


Running. I figured, obviously incorrectly, that the times were short enough for my fitness level...


If you continue to struggle, have a play around with a run walk. FWIW, the Galloway website says you should use 30sec run, 30sec walk at your pace (mind you I don't do what that site says I should run at). I've found over the years that I am faster overall using a run/walk, and find the run much easier. And besides, my goal (and yours) is a HIM. I know I'm going to be walking at some point in that (even if only water stops) may as well train the way I'll race.


I may do that, but I had 30 min sustained runs before I fell off the wagon this last time... ::shrug:: I figure I'll run when I can, walk if I must. When I finally get to the pace I want on my 15:00 runs (12:00/mi) , I'll add time and work back to that pace again, repeat ad nauseum . I figure I'll start sprinkling in bike/trainer time on my short days when I finally get in the swing of things on the run, and swims are just a matter of getting off my butt on Fridays. This is going to be a very run-centered winter for me.

11/16: .36mi- 5:02 (14:09 pace)


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11/17: 1.17mi- 15:02 (12:51 pace)
Mid-week weight: 260.0

Unlike the previous weeks, I felt no tightness or discomfort during my long run yesterday. It looks like cutting back to 5-10-15 was the right choice, and I'm optimistic that I'll actually get all 6 runs in this week.
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11/17: 1.17mi- 15:02 (12:51 pace)
Mid-week weight: 260.0

Unlike the previous weeks, I felt no tightness or discomfort during my long run yesterday. It looks like cutting back to 5-10-15 was the right choice, and I'm optimistic that I'll actually get all 6 runs in this week.
I probably missed the explanation already, but what is this 5-10-15 thing?
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I probably missed the explanation already, but what is this 5-10-15 thing?


bulfrog could probably explain it better, or do a search for "Barry P train" and threads from here and ST come up...

In a nutshell, the plan is to run 6 days a week. It's broken down into: 3 short distance (recovery), 2 mid distance (work) and 1 long distance (easy). It is time and HR based vs distance. I don't have a monitor yet, so I'm running off perceived effort right now. Over time, as fitness improves, I should see distance gain off of the same time run.

My mistake was thinking I had the fitness level to run 15:00/30:00/45:00. I actually started with the goal of hitting 6 15:00 runs per week just to get used to going out 6 days. It made sense since I was essentially doing 3 30:00 c25k runs. It didn't work. I've not made it past Thursday yet. I found another post by Barry, emphasizing the 3:2:1 ratio with a side note that if you have to start at 15:00 for your long run, so be it. So my pattern (in minutes) is: 5-10-5-10-5-15 running Thurs to Tues since Wed is my mandatory rest day.

Right now goal #1 is to run all 6 days. Goal #2 is to hit a sub 12:00 pace on the long run 2 weeks in a row. When I do that, my times will increase 10% to 5:30, 11:00, and 17:30 respectively. When I hit sub 12:00 again, I will add time again. Then rinse and repeat I'm still swimming on Fridays (medium day), but that's very low impact right now. I'll add bike back in on the short days once I get used to so much running. This is pretty much going to be a run build winter, and I'll be stoked if I get even half of the results bulfrog had. The biggest mental issue I'm having right now is going out for "just 5 mins". It almost takes me longer to get dressed and get my stuff together for such a short run, lol!

11/18: Day of Rest
11/19: .39mi, 5:03 (13:07 pace)

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Originally posted by leatherneckpa
I probably missed the explanation already, but what is this 5-10-15 thing?


bulfrog could probably explain it better, or do a search for "Barry P train" and threads from here and ST come up...



You've done a pretty good job of explaining it.

The basic idea is to get better at running, you need to run a lot, and almost all at an easy pace. At the moment Rick is still getting his body used to running 6 days a week. But once there, and when the hours start adding up the rewards will be huge.

For more information see: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=1612485;search_string=r... The first 3 links are the bulk of the plan.
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