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2011-05-18 11:01 PM
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I spoke to soon...winter weather watch with snow possibilities for the northern half of the state.


2011-05-18 11:33 PM
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abqtj - 2011-05-18 10:01 PM I spoke to soon...winter weather watch with snow possibilities for the northern half of the state.
yep, I sent it your way-its back raining here
2011-05-19 2:44 AM
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How can you all still be having winter weather, my winter officially starts in 2 weeks, you all should be in lovely summer by now!
2011-05-19 5:46 AM
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bryancd - 2011-05-18 10:53 PM Yeah, I know and I am not a fan of their protocol. I think it's fine as an exercise program however I find it lacking as racing program. It's also great for posting a lot of training volume but it's lacking in quality volume. A well trained athlete should be able to complete workouts on a regular basis above 80% threshold. It's not a challenging bar to overcome. The concept of multiple days of this sort of training is not effective for the time constrained AG'er looking to maximize their training time. In my experience, as a top AG'er and understanding the training protocols of other top AG'ers, in regards to the bike, low zone work is for people looking to loose weight and become acclimated to training on the bike. Top AG'ers do not train that way. Kel, I can promise you the gal's you need to beat are not riding 2x per week in Zone 1. I can also say they are not riding 5x per week, they are riding 3-4 with better quality and then working their run and swim.

next thing you know you'll be telling us cross fit will get us ready for IMs - Kelly has really improved under their protocol.  she does a lot of hard workouts on the run and swim too, so i am not sure that her losing 1 recovery bike for a run/swim will matter that much.  I think your corrallary point (and rudy's) is that true rest, a day off, helps your recovery more than a easy bike ride.

I've looked at the QT2 website and find them a little culty and preachy and the highlighted section is my biggest issue with what appears to be the QT2 "system".   

2011-05-19 5:57 AM
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i am still down an interval ride and easy run this week.  late meeting last night, did not get up to swim, so now i'm down a swim, although i can swim in the street these days.  busy week digging out from vegas.  general fitness run today. need to get the bike intervals in tonight.

Question: im riding a metric century sunday followed by a brick run, should i do my long run saturday (14-15 miles) or shorten the run due to the length of the day sunday.  I'll still do my long swim saturday. 

2011-05-19 7:17 AM
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I have a HUGE amount of respect for Kelly and what she has and continues to accomplish, this isn't a knock on her at all.

Here's the thing. We all have a tendency to try and ascribe our success to specific things we do. There have been times in the past that I would do a certain kind of training was would be 100% convinced that my improvements were directly attributed to the "what" I did. What I have come to learn is that we get better not becuase of the "what" we do, but simply beceause we "keep" doing it over time. The consistency thing trumps any and all plans. No matter what "plan" you follow, as long as you are swim, bike running consistently, you will see progress. So one thing I have let go of is having oo much "belief" in various protocols. HR, power, RPE, volume, tempo, interval, it all works as long as it's applied properly. Instead of trying to be an advocate for a specific training system, I have a more Zen like view. I would suggest Kelly has improved simply because she has committed to doing "work".

Now, regarding this bike training issue. If you are a time constrained athlete, which we all are, and you are looking to maximize your perfromance to be a top AG'er, which some of you are, it's crucial to maximize the return on time investment on the bike, especially for long course racing. To spend 2 rides per week, a few hours of crucial time, sitting in and soft pedaling is not advancing your fitness. If you need recovery, then recover and do nothing. Or balance the training load and use that time for run and swim. In general I bike 3x per week. One long ride done at IM effort, one mid week ride also done at IM effort, and one interval/tempo ride done at Halfd or Olympic or higher effort. During an IM build I will likely add one more general aerobic ride in there, again all ayt IM effort min. IM effort isn't THAT hard. or at least it shouldn't feel that hard in training. For me it's 85-87% of bike LT. It's not so challenging that it has a high recovery cost. Your body becomes very comfortable and acclimated to it.


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jsklarz - 2011-05-19 6:57 AM

i am still down an interval ride and easy run this week.  late meeting last night, did not get up to swim, so now i'm down a swim, although i can swim in the street these days.  busy week digging out from vegas.  general fitness run today. need to get the bike intervals in tonight.

Question: im riding a metric century sunday followed by a brick run, should i do my long run saturday (14-15 miles) or shorten the run due to the length of the day sunday.  I'll still do my long swim saturday. 

Why do you think you should shorten the long run?

2011-05-19 7:19 AM
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jsklarz - 2011-05-19 5:57 AM

Question: im riding a metric century sunday followed by a brick run, should i do my long run saturday (14-15 miles) or shorten the run due to the length of the day sunday.  I'll still do my long swim saturday. 

How does your body normally bounce back from your long run?  I'd do it the hard way as an experiment and scale back from there in the future if needed.  Not sure if that's the "right" answer, but it's how I'd go about it.

2011-05-19 7:22 AM
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bryancd - 2011-05-19 8:17 AM I have a HUGE amount of respect for Kelly and what she has and continues to accomplish, this isn't a knock on her at all. Here's the thing. We all have a tendency to try and ascribe our success to specific things we do. There have been times in the past that I would do a certain kind of training was would be 100% convinced that my improvements were directly attributed to the "what" I did. What I have come to learn is that we get better not becuase of the "what" we do, but simply beceause we "keep" doing it over time. The consistency thing trumps any and all plans. No matter what "plan" you follow, as long as you are swim, bike running consistently, you will see progress. So one thing I have let go of is having oo much "belief" in various protocols. HR, power, RPE, volume, tempo, interval, it all works as long as it's applied properly. Instead of trying to be an advocate for a specific training system, I have a more Zen like view. I would suggest Kelly has improved simply because she has committed to doing "work". Now, regarding this bike training issue. If you are a time constrained athlete, which we all are, and you are looking to maximize your perfromance to be a top AG'er, which some of you are, it's crucial to maximize the return on time investment on the bike, especially for long course racing. To spend 2 rides per week, a few hours of crucial time, sitting in and soft pedaling is not advancing your fitness. If you need recovery, then recover and do nothing. Or balance the training load and use that time for run and swim. In general I bike 3x per week. One long ride done at IM effort, one mid week ride also done at IM effort, and one interval/tempo ride done at Halfd or Olympic or higher effort. During an IM build I will likely add one more general aerobic ride in there, again all ayt IM effort min. IM effort isn't THAT hard. or at least it shouldn't feel that hard in training. For me it's 85-87% of bike LT. It's not so challenging that it has a high recovery cost. Your body becomes very comfortable and acclimated to it.

 

I totally agree.  I think the biggest factor in my improvement is consistency.  There are no short cuts, you need to do the work on a regular basis, day in and day out.

The fun part comes in figuring out what exactly that "work" is (and what you can do to your body while staying healthy and continuing to be consistent).  There are lots of flavors of kool-aid, if you drink your flavor of kool aid consistently you'll see improvements. 

2011-05-19 7:22 AM
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My will power in regards to the family budget is being severely tested.  My inbox is full of emails from shops in town saying "In celebration of IMTX we have  xxxxx on sale at xx% off through Sunday!"  You're killing me man, killing me.
2011-05-19 7:23 AM
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uhcoog - 2011-05-19 8:19 AM
jsklarz - 2011-05-19 5:57 AM

Question: im riding a metric century sunday followed by a brick run, should i do my long run saturday (14-15 miles) or shorten the run due to the length of the day sunday.  I'll still do my long swim saturday. 

How does your body normally bounce back from your long run?  I'd do it the hard way as an experiment and scale back from there in the future if needed.  Not sure if that's the "right" answer, but it's how I'd go about it.

I agree.  You "need" the long run, its a key workout for you.



2011-05-19 7:37 AM
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jsklarz - 2011-05-19 6:57 AM

i am still down an interval ride and easy run this week.  late meeting last night, did not get up to swim, so now i'm down a swim, although i can swim in the street these days.  busy week digging out from vegas.  general fitness run today. need to get the bike intervals in tonight.

Question: im riding a metric century sunday followed by a brick run, should i do my long run saturday (14-15 miles) or shorten the run due to the length of the day sunday.  I'll still do my long swim saturday. 

Why do you think you should shorten the long run?

next day is a key workout: 70 mile ride 7 mile run, and my "test" for Rev3 preparedness.  personally i see no reason why i should rest up for a workout, but figured i would ask.

2011-05-19 7:40 AM
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kaburns1214 - 2011-05-19 8:23 AM
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jsklarz - 2011-05-19 5:57 AM

Question: im riding a metric century sunday followed by a brick run, should i do my long run saturday (14-15 miles) or shorten the run due to the length of the day sunday.  I'll still do my long swim saturday. 

How does your body normally bounce back from your long run?  I'd do it the hard way as an experiment and scale back from there in the future if needed.  Not sure if that's the "right" answer, but it's how I'd go about it.

I agree.  You "need" the long run, its a key workout for you.

Thanks.  (BTW, thinking of having an "afternoon meeting" friday in middlebury. just sayin)

2011-05-19 7:40 AM
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jsklarz - 2011-05-19 6:57 AM

i am still down an interval ride and easy run this week.  late meeting last night, did not get up to swim, so now i'm down a swim, although i can swim in the street these days.  busy week digging out from vegas.  general fitness run today. need to get the bike intervals in tonight.

Question: im riding a metric century sunday followed by a brick run, should i do my long run saturday (14-15 miles) or shorten the run due to the length of the day sunday.  I'll still do my long swim saturday. 

Why do you think you should shorten the long run?

next day is a key workout: 70 mile ride 7 mile run, and my "test" for Rev3 preparedness.  personally i see no reason why i should rest up for a workout, but figured i would ask.

Eh just wake up Monday and remember you're not as young as you once were.  My shoulder tells me that on a daily basis BTW.

2011-05-19 7:55 AM
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jsklarz - 2011-05-19 6:57 AM

i am still down an interval ride and easy run this week.  late meeting last night, did not get up to swim, so now i'm down a swim, although i can swim in the street these days.  busy week digging out from vegas.  general fitness run today. need to get the bike intervals in tonight.

Question: im riding a metric century sunday followed by a brick run, should i do my long run saturday (14-15 miles) or shorten the run due to the length of the day sunday.  I'll still do my long swim saturday. 

Why do you think you should shorten the long run?

next day is a key workout: 70 mile ride 7 mile run, and my "test" for Rev3 preparedness.  personally i see no reason why i should rest up for a workout, but figured i would ask.

Eh just wake up Monday and remember you're not as young as you once were.  My shoulder tells me that on a daily basis BTW.

I like that advice.

2011-05-19 8:10 AM
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on those notes i took a complete rest day yesterday, my body was telling me to, i listen. My wife had work meetings of somesuch till 10pm, so i chased a little 16month old all over the house for 3 hours. she gets crabby like daddy when she can't get outside.

On tap for today, since i slept in (6am) is a 6 mile run, first three at an easy 9 minute pace, second 3 at 10k pace or about a minute faster, then to the pool, my swim fitness is coming back quickly, i have no doubt that i will be ready for my upcoming races. It is funny, i was talking to my wife this am over a cup of coffee, something that HIM training has definitely curtailed (talks with wife) and i said, i can't believe my first tri is only 2 weeks away, it is a sprint, but i am so focused on bike racing and my Half that i am almost overlooking a sprint i have. It actually comes at a good time as it is the begin of my two week taper, i have been going hard since January, it will be interesting to see how i react to a couple weeks of "easy" training. I tend to get a bit grumpy.



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What is this easy training you speak of? 

 

Sunday long rides are going to start becoming bricks/t runs starting next week.  Oh and I'm about to drop the majority of my weight training to get my butt in the pool more.  Oddly I'm not sure I'm going to miss it with how grumpy my joints have been as of late.

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2 hour tempo ride on the trainer this morning (its still raining outside, we're going on 5 straight days) and a 70 minute run tonight with 6 x 1/2 mile repeats tonight.  Per the coach, the goal is to start the repeats at 3:15 (6:30 min/mile pace) and work them down to 3:00 (6:00 min/mile pace).  I haven't done very much fast running so it will be interesting (and a big confidence builder) if I can pull this workout off well.
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kaburns1214 - 2011-05-19 9:33 AM 2 hour tempo ride on the trainer this morning (its still raining outside, we're going on 5 straight days) and a 70 minute run tonight with 6 x 1/2 mile repeats tonight.  Per the coach, the goal is to start the repeats at 3:15 (6:30 min/mile pace) and work them down to 3:00 (6:00 min/mile pace).  I haven't done very much fast running so it will be interesting (and a big confidence builder) if I can pull this workout off well.

Don't puke!!!  Laughing

Oh and can you send some of that rain this way?  My yard would thank you.

2011-05-19 10:14 AM
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Wow, again this place is hopping!  I have a lot of catching up to do (and will have to do tonight) but I love all the activity.

Has anyone ever been sunburned really bad, and then a couple of weeks later have excruciatingly painful itchy skin?  I burnt my back doing a long bike ride a couple weeks ago (I know, I learned my lesson - and have been lectured by my husband already numerous times about sunscreen) and it now itches so bad it keeps me awake at night.  I've tried various allergy medicines including Benedryl thinking an antihistime might help.  Also have been putting aloe vera lotion on it, bought some "#1 doctor recommended" anti-itch with cortizone lotion.  I even put pure Vitamin E oil all over it - which ends up being a sticky mess but figured I'd try anything.  It all helps for a little while, but when it starts to itch I just want to tear my back open.

Because I couldn't sleep last night due to itching, I finally got up and went to the gym for a swim.  I thought the cool water might help, which it did while I was in it.  Finished that up and when I got home realized I could still get a run in so I did that too.  Planning to bike and a short t-run after work, not sure I'll still be awake by then.

Any ideas on the itch?  It peeled already and is not flaky, but must be really dry despite all the lotions and stuff.  Or maybe is a rash, or sun poisoning, or ???  I'm getting desperate.  Help me...

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karen26.2 - 2011-05-19 11:14 AM

Wow, again this place is hopping!  I have a lot of catching up to do (and will have to do tonight) but I love all the activity.

Has anyone ever been sunburned really bad, and then a couple of weeks later have excruciatingly painful itchy skin?  I burnt my back doing a long bike ride a couple weeks ago (I know, I learned my lesson - and have been lectured by my husband already numerous times about sunscreen) and it now itches so bad it keeps me awake at night.  I've tried various allergy medicines including Benedryl thinking an antihistime might help.  Also have been putting aloe vera lotion on it, bought some "#1 doctor recommended" anti-itch with cortizone lotion.  I even put pure Vitamin E oil all over it - which ends up being a sticky mess but figured I'd try anything.  It all helps for a little while, but when it starts to itch I just want to tear my back open.

Because I couldn't sleep last night due to itching, I finally got up and went to the gym for a swim.  I thought the cool water might help, which it did while I was in it.  Finished that up and when I got home realized I could still get a run in so I did that too.  Planning to bike and a short t-run after work, not sure I'll still be awake by then.

Any ideas on the itch?  It peeled already and is not flaky, but must be really dry despite all the lotions and stuff.  Or maybe is a rash, or sun poisoning, or ???  I'm getting desperate.  Help me...

My guess is sun poisoning.  Do you have any small white bumps or patches near the burn?  I would keep using lotion and aloe.  Hope you find relief soon! 

--edited to add that I've had sun poisoning before, and the doctor didn't do anything special for it (medication-wise). 



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Thought this was funny:

Only 0.04" in ABQ thus far, but it's so nice to finally get rain! First measureable rain in Albuquerque since April 7th!


Getting snow around the east side and through the canyon right now too.
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Kelly is a troublemaker.   That is all.
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uhcoog - 2011-05-19 1:10 PM Kelly is a troublemaker.   That is all.

 

What'd she do?  What'd she do?

 

I wanna watch.

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CubeFarmGopher - 2011-05-19 12:20 PM

uhcoog - 2011-05-19 1:10 PM Kelly is a troublemaker.   That is all.

 

What'd she do?  What'd she do?

 

I wanna watch.

 

She has me sitting at work, thinking about how to move funds around so that I have $600+ to register for IMTX on Sunday.  Hmmmmmmmm......

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