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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tasr - 2012-01-24 8:22 AM bzgl40 - 2012-01-23 6:23 PM What tricks do you guys use to get in workouts when you really don't want to? I have little issue talking myself into morning workouts, I after all got up, but I have way less success in the evenings.
As Fred said, a strong mental fortitude. Competitiveness for me also may drive that. I don’t have any tricks per say other than I really want it. Maybe the trick I have is I am thankful I can so that drives me. The other thing is never give in to the desire not to train. When the training gets tough you’ll need everything you have.
Welcome James. I would agree with this. I always keep my goals in focus and know that I need to do the work. At a minimum, I try to get the warmup done and then evaluate how I feel. Usually after a warmup I am fine. If not, bag it then. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ratherbeswimming - 2012-01-24 8:21 AM Fred D - 2012-01-24 7:09 AM Got a nice easy swim in the books for me. What's on tap today? Any topics you want to discuss? Angry neighbors bothered by your trainer? (kidding) 3 mile run! It's really hard not to go out and ride or swim this week. I have SO MUCH free time! I peaked at 20 miles for my mid-week run total, and this week, it's 9. Total. Over 3 runs. Not to mention, I'm totally jealous when I look at all of your logs! Maybe I'll hide my quick releases and all of my swimsuits from myself so I can easily resist the temptation to do more Anyone interested in the MS 150 Ride in the FL Keys? I've got an in with the Bacardi team
go look at mine, you will feel better...LOL!!!! |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() | ![]() Solid trainer session in the books plus strength and core. Trying to decide if I want to add an additional short run this evening or just hold off for a short run tomorrow. Legs have been doing a lot of hard work the last 4 days...a bit of soreness, but nothing major. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() | ![]() tasr - 2012-01-24 6:47 AM roadrhino - 2012-01-23 4:05 PM I’m curious…if any of you want to share…how does your job affect your training/triathlon lifestyle? I am an Aquatics Director at a major Health and Fitness center in the Harrisburg, PA area. Our pool is 8 lanes x 25 yards and approximately 150,000 gallons of water. Link to pool pic http://www.centralpennfitnesscenter.com/aquatics/ I get to swim in it any time I want. I have a staff of 15 so my hours are all over the place, being that I have multiple opportunities to train thru out the day. I am also a certified personal trainer at a major military base in the area as well. Very nice! I want your job. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred, i just read through that thread about cycling efficiency and pedaling technique, I am truly impressed by some of the posts, and information that is given by some VERY good athletes and coaches, to the point where i see no value in adding anything to that thread. That being said, if i want to go faster, i push harder and try to maintain cadence or even increase it a bit to achieve the desired effect, it is not rocket science no matter how much Garmin or Tom or Tri Sports tries to tell you so. FWIW, i have never trained with a power meter, i have on occasion borrowed one or have been hooked up to one, but it was usually for me to see if my training was working and/or if i was making progress. I learned how to pedal from riding...a lot...with faster guys and learning how to manage the "uncomfortable" feeling you get when you ride harder/faster/longer. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rymac - 2012-01-24 9:02 AM tasr - 2012-01-24 8:22 AM bzgl40 - 2012-01-23 6:23 PM What tricks do you guys use to get in workouts when you really don't want to? I have little issue talking myself into morning workouts, I after all got up, but I have way less success in the evenings.
As Fred said, a strong mental fortitude. Competitiveness for me also may drive that. I don’t have any tricks per say other than I really want it. Maybe the trick I have is I am thankful I can so that drives me. The other thing is never give in to the desire not to train. When the training gets tough you’ll need everything you have.
Welcome James. I would agree with this. I always keep my goals in focus and know that I need to do the work. At a minimum, I try to get the warmup done and then evaluate how I feel. Usually after a warmup I am fine. If not, bag it then. Thanks! You describe somewhat my approach to workouts when I am in very heavy IM training mode. You know those times when fatigue start to really set in but you know you have to do the training. This kind of plays into something I was thinking about on my trainer this am. It’s a term that I do not believe in called “Junk Miles”. My thinking is when you are super fatigued and you start your training, warm up and it’s still not happening. I may throttle back the intensity but still push forward and get the mileage done. So even it’s not as planed and maybe be easier, the overall goal is still done. At the same time the overall effort is still the same relative to the fatigue. I believe every mile matters.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tasr - 2012-01-24 10:41 AM It’s a term that I do not believe in called “Junk Miles”. My thinking is when you are super fatigued and you start your training, warm up and it’s still not happening. I may throttle back the intensity but still push forward and get the mileage done. So even it’s not as planed and maybe be easier, the overall goal is still done. At the same time the overall effort is still the same relative to the fatigue. I believe every mile matters. I agree that this is true for the vast majority of athletes - like 99.9%. |
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![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-01-24 8:12 AM Rudedog55 - 2012-01-24 10:22 AM Yeah good thoughts. Clearly there is 'some' pedaling technique however the significance that Tom or Garmin may imply is probably less than I would. Then again I'm just voicing an opinion. I have a lower cadence and do focus on technique a bit, but remember your toes are locked in and it's not as difficult as some want it to be.Fred, i just read through that thread about cycling efficiency and pedaling technique, I am truly impressed by some of the posts, and information that is given by some VERY good athletes and coaches, to the point where i see no value in adding anything to that thread. That being said, if i want to go faster, i push harder and try to maintain cadence or even increase it a bit to achieve the desired effect, it is not rocket science no matter how much Garmin or Tom or Tri Sports tries to tell you so. FWIW, i have never trained with a power meter, i have on occasion borrowed one or have been hooked up to one, but it was usually for me to see if my training was working and/or if i was making progress. I learned how to pedal from riding...a lot...with faster guys and learning how to manage the "uncomfortable" feeling you get when you ride harder/faster/longer. It's only difficult when you no longer want your toes to be locked in and your leaning to one side. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This might be a bit of a post barrage as I just haven't found time to read the thread for almost a week! golfpro - 2012-01-18 7:21 PM Curious - Question for the group - What are your triathlon goals for this year? any PR/race goals? times? if all the stars and planets align correctly, weather is perfect and all goes better than expected, what is that lofty time goal? First sprint of the year (400m pool swim) - Under 1:15 (if the stars align I think I can just miss out on breaking 1:12) Oly - I'll be happy with breaking 3hrs for this (managed 3:01:06 last year!) but think I could get as low as 2:48. HIM - Like Adam said I'll be happy to just finish it as it's our first one, though being the type of person I am I still have a target of under 6:30 (though this may change closer to the time) Last sprint of the year (414m pool swim, 12mi bike, 4.5km run) - 1:10 or under! When your race derails itself and you feel truly awful, early on in the bike is it better to push through or is it better to just call it a day and fight again another time? Like bdoss, I only have 4 races a year at best, so I'd have to make a decision as it happens. If I'm close to the end I'd probably try to push on, otherwise I'd like to think I'd call it a day.What are you using for your race day nutrition? This is something I'm hoping to start practicing on Saturday when I'll be going on a 40mile ride. Going to try 200 calorie per hour of High5 energy drink mix (given a sample at my last race, so may as well try it). Might take a Snickers bar with me as well just in case.How many calories per hour on bike and run and what s your strategy? I’m curious…if any of you want to share…how does your job affect your training/triathlon lifestyle? I work from 9-5 with only a 25min commute. My training is pretty much:
Yeah, I like consistency, it keeps me focused Hopefully I'll be able to keep up with the thread a bit better and won't have to do a monster post, but that looks a little unlikely this week |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The early morning trainer ride is done and in the books. The legs suffered a bit this morning...they have been working hard the last few sessions. The last two workouts....swim last night and bike this morning...I have tried to push the intensity a bit. I have had issues with cramping...mainly the calves...since I started triathlons 3 years ago. The cramping has been an issue in both training and races (mostly HIM). Also, the cramping starts in the swim and then I am just battling them the rest of the day. I read a thread about cramping and it suggested the intensity of the training does not match the intensity of the race and that could be why cramping is an issue. My questions is...how do I increase intensity in workouts (so it matches race) and avoid cramping during the training? I have tried several things...different stretches, increase salt intake, eat more bananas, drink more water and gatorade....but I am still having trouble. Does any one have suggestions on a good way to approach the problem so it will not continue to be a problem? I would love to have a HIM in April without having to deal with cramps. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() re: to dealing with work and training- In season I usually work from sun up to sundown and to top it off, I have a 1hr10min commute (on way). I get up at o-bright hundred and try to get in a workout. Weekends during season are usually a no go for me unless I feel like it after the drive. My long bike ride/runs are usually on my day off- Mondays. Some weeks might be five hours and other weeks might be 7 to 12. I do the best I can with the time given and go with the flow............re: to hot weather training- I do train for the same weather conditions. Usually it takes a couple of weeks for the body to adapt to the heat and humidity plus it give you a good training ground for nutrition. I do sweat a lot! but never have done the body sweat ration to determine how much more fluids I need on an hour basis. That is something I will be doing this year. The last two years I've been taking in fluids every 10 to 15 minutes.Two years ago we had some hot and humid days around here and I remember going out there when the temperature was 105 with an alarming Index of 115 degrees. That day I ran 20 miles in the middle of the day and its hottest. It was brutally hot! I got done, sat on our garden bench under the three whipping willows with a hose blasting cold water on top of my head. I probably was there for about 20 minutes.......Yesterday I swam in the morning. in the afternoon I changed into the bike gear and as I was heading to the basement door, I turned and glanced at what Maureen and my Mom were doing- and I got the "Stink Eye". I took two steps down and made an about face. I bagged the trainer and took both of them for dinner........ I ran this morning and was supposed to do 6 x :30sec all out VO2 max run ... after the third one I could not get my HR down and struggled with heavy lead legs and the feeling of running like a sloth. Nothing seemed right - the rest of the way was a struggle, it truly was a bear and could not wait to get it done. This is the first time EVER I have not being able to get HR under control. Usually it drops in no time. I'll be keeping an eye on that. My resting HR is usually around 50/53......In re: to pedal cadence - I try to pedal in circles. Yes sometimes I am conscious of it but try not to think to much about it. The last couple of weeks I've been playing around with anckling. One thing I've found is that when a certain isolation exercise (ankling- circular motions-etc) is in practice, specific muscles are engaged and a different kind of muscle tension starts engaging and the quick feeling of lactic acid comes up,etc, etc... ok enough said for today.Last year I raced in 1 event only. I bagged two because of work. This year I signed up for 3 and certainly hoping to do more. Hopefully it will not be a repeat of '11.Have a great day everyone! |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yeah- I am still trying to figure out how to edit with the Pad. Sorry for the long BLOCKĀ . |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() golfpro - 2012-01-24 7:35 PMYeah- I am still trying to figure out how to edit with the Pad. Sorry for the long BLOCKĀ . Same here with the I-pad edit. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-01-24 4:47 PM hippotude - 2012-01-24 2:41 PM Question? How's your general daily hydration?The early morning trainer ride is done and in the books. The legs suffered a bit this morning...they have been working hard the last few sessions. The last two workouts....swim last night and bike this morning...I have tried to push the intensity a bit. I have had issues with cramping...mainly the calves...since I started triathlons 3 years ago. The cramping has been an issue in both training and races (mostly HIM). Also, the cramping starts in the swim and then I am just battling them the rest of the day. I read a thread about cramping and it suggested the intensity of the training does not match the intensity of the race and that could be why cramping is an issue. My questions is...how do I increase intensity in workouts (so it matches race) and avoid cramping during the training? I have tried several things...different stretches, increase salt intake, eat more bananas, drink more water and gatorade....but I am still having trouble. Does any one have suggestions on a good way to approach the problem so it will not continue to be a problem? I would love to have a HIM in April without having to deal with cramps. I have to admit that my general daily hydration is not as good as it use to be. Last year I paid attention to how much water I was drinking but this year for some reason I have kind of let that go. I am trying to do better in that area. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Up at 4am- joined two others from the Tri club for a swim at 5. Heading to home to change and of to work.What's on tap for you guys? |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Fred D - 2012-01-25 6:39 AM Today is GAD for me ! ? Is this painful? AM run for me today and then a PM swim.
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![]() | ![]() GAD for me as well. Just like Christmas.... Some crazy, no hope in hell of getting it all in, swim this morning and a tempo ride later in the day. Hopefully outside but I haven't checked my meeting schedule yet. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() golfpro - 2012-01-25 6:42 AM Up at 4am- joined two others from the Tri club for a swim at 5. Heading to home to change and of to work.What's on tap for you guys?
Hey Thomas, Thank you for all the kind posts. What tri club are you with inLancaster? I started one in theHarrisburgarea a few years ago but it lost momentum. I was super busy and had a dog club as well. It’s a lot of work starting up a club and keeping it together. Anyway I am on a club break for a while but I see a rather new club in the area Endurance Multisport. Do you know anything about this group?
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