Ironman Coeur d'Alene : Official Thread (Page 35)
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() edawno - 2013-05-08 5:48 PM I love the mass start. First year I learned that what I thought was back a little was not the case and was pushed around a bit. The second year I was more cautious and knew to stand WAY back if I did not want the same feeling. I will have to see how this rolling start works. Might be ok might not be. I like the idea of everyone starting on the same clock. I like the rush of the start. No big deal still have to execute the day and have fun. On another note to this start. How do you all think it will affect the bike? I am thinking that if a slower person thinks they swim fast and they do OK, but bike slower. Do you think the rolling swim will hurt the bike at all for some of us. Not sure if this is very clear or not. I am thinking of how some people in a marathon or other run put themselves in the front when clearly they should be in the back. They walk or are slow for the spot they started. I am thinking that this might hose the bike in a way. Might not but I see the bike as more of an issue. Also there are a lot of people who can swim very quick but can not bike very well. On this course there are some tight spots where they will now be in front of you. Just brainstorming I guess. I am sure it will all work out. I think the rolling start will just spread things out a bit more on the bike. Sure you will have some faster swimmers/slower bikers that will be caught on the bike course but that would be the case with a mass start anyway. I did CDA last year and agree that I really liked it. While the mass start can be a bit of a mess it's part of the experience to me. I loved hearing the cannon going off and joining the rush of the crowd entering the water. Did I get hit a couple of times, swallow water, get kicked? Sure but it really wasn't that bad. From a spectator perspective it's sure a lot more fun to witness. It FEELS like a big deal when you watch that many people start a RACE. It's unique to the ironman experience. Also, while I am not competing for the podium I still like knowing where I stand in the race. Like someone above said, when someone passes me, their ahead, if I pass someone I am ahead. Again from a spectator perspective, it's more fun for them to see where people are in the race and day. That being said if they could show me that a rolling start is truly safer and could save one life, I am 100% for it. At this point it sounds like the mass start will not be happening so I will just "Roll" with it. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Other questions....... I wonder how will they manage the majority of swimmers. If you took the swim times of past races I think it would look like a bell curve with 70% of the people being at or around the 1:20 mark? How do they get all these people through the start and will it turn into a semi-mass swim at that point. The majority people will be in a big group for most of the swim... Last year they had a hard time getting 2500 people on the beach in 20 minutes to do the mass start. People were still walking onto the beach when the gun went off? They do a great job organizing this race so I am sure they will figure it out. I would just like to know.....communication will be the key. Don't want my posts to sound negative, just concerns. So on a positive note, I do like the idea of more open water and more relaxed swim, if they can make it work. Hopefully it sets people up for a better day overall. Edited by johnyutah5 2013-05-09 1:53 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() With the streaming start and people's chip times starting at different times, I understand the part about knowing whether or not you're truly ahead of someone if you pass them. However, I think of it like a large running race where my time doesn't start until I get to the start line. It never crosses my mind to wonder if I'm really ahead of that person when I pass him or her later in the race. The same is true with wave starts in smaller triathlons. I just go and try to pass people when I can and see how it all shakes out in the results. I don't see why IM should be any different. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() johnyutah5 - 2013-05-09 11:50 AM Other questions....... I wonder how will they manage the majority of swimmers. If you took the swim times of past races I think it would look like a bell curve with 70% of the people being at or around the 1:20 mark? How do they get all these people through the start and will it turn into a semi-mass swim at that point. The majority people will be in a big group for most of the swim... I would hope that they would look at that a little bit and have more "waves" where the majority of swimmers will be. They won't need a bunch of waves for +2 hours or even probably 1:45. But guess we will see on race day what they have in their minds. |
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![]() | ![]() Just found this thread and looking forward to racing. I have experienced both the mass start and the rolling wave start. For IM Louisville they have this rolling start as you have to jump off the 2 docks into the water. I will say that it does open it up and there is less mayhem at the beginning. The down side is that slower swimmers do try to move up front in the start to give themselves more time. The end result is that you end up swimming over people for a lot longer in the race. With a 2 loop course, I don't know if that makes it better or worse. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Interesting thread on slowtwitch about this very subject. Sorry if the link doesn't work. Dan AKA "Slowman" talks about the start like a marathon start. Gun goes off, but the matt is in the front and your chip doesn't start till you cross the mat. I have never done an IM mass start so I don't have any experience with that. I have done a few 1/2 marathon starts and they seem easy enough. Some people seed themselves wrong, but they just get run around or in this case swam over. I would think a 2+hour swimmer who thinks they are getting more time in the front might get a fight for thier life while being swam over by an entire field of better swimmers. My worry is not the swim, but the bike. No way to really get used to going up and down huge mountains here in Michigan. In the end our oppinions are just that ours and to get caught up on how the swim starts will be such a small part of our day that it just isn't worth the worry or race day stress. To those of you actually racing this event for a Kona slot I would think finding your best competition would be the best plan and start with them if possible. See everyone in less than 45 days. OHHH BOOOOOYYYYY it's getting close. Feels a little like Christmas...LOL |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() maverickbassets - 2013-05-10 5:33 AM My worry is not the swim, but the bike. No way to really get used to going up and down huge mountains here in Michigan.
Don't forget to add in the wind on those hills Set up your trainer on about 8-10 inch incline. Sucky to ride the trainer that way but I found that it does have a different effect on me. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't want to talk about any wind........ I did sign up for this 200K bike ride at the start of June. http://www.michiganmountainmayhem.com/index.php?p=1_18_June-Route I think I only have 2 or 3 build weeks left so not a ton of gains to be made in this last 45 days or so, but if I get stuck in the house riding I will for sure take your advice and do more climbing on my trainer. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() spie34 - 2013-05-08 9:42 AM smithe68 - 2013-05-08 7:31 AM spie34 - 2013-05-07 10:02 AM smithe68 - 2013-05-07 9:48 AM Big jump yesterday in water temp, 53.24 at it's peak and at a low was right about 50! I might have to load up my stuff for a short swim after the bike and run on Saturday. How safe do you think it would be to keep a wetsuit in the car for part of the day? I just get worried about the heat. I did have a friend who did a quick dip in it yesterday and she said it wasn't too bad. She said she might swim today or tomorrow so I'll hopefully find out more from her on how comfortable it is. I have a 30 minute swim for saturday that I could do after riding and running. So thinking that if we started riding at 8 that would be great. The cold swim afterwards would help our legs out. I guess I never replied to this in a way that confirms meeting up. I am in, I can be there a little before 8. If I read a previous post right, you want to do a full loop plus back to Higgins point, that's about 70 miles or so right? Follow that up with a 50 minute run and then a 30 minute swim? Yes that seems to be close to what I want to do. We might be a touch over 4 hours on the ride but thats fine. I've been doing rides mainly by time vs distance but I'm flexible on it all. I'll send you a pm with my phone number. Was anyone else wanting to join us tomorrow morning at 8 for ride, bike, than a swim? See above for the details of the workout. We are planning on parking in the museum parking lot. $1/hr for parking. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 2nd big week in a row. Today was 6:30 bike (scheduled, actual time turned out to be closer to 7:00) and 30min run. Went very well (except for the flat at about 6:00 on the bike.) I certainly learned a few things today 1) 300 Cal/hr is pretty close to my sweet spot for cal on the bike. Felt good through the ride and felt noticeably better on the run than last week. I think this is my final plan 2) check, and then double check your gear. Turns out I had emptied my bento box (which carries my tube/irons/CO2 etc) sometime over the winter. I managed to repack it with a tube which had a stem too short for my rims. CO2 needs a good 3/8" of stem, or so to seal properly. Good times walking to the nearest sporting goods store for a tube that I could actually fill. 3) Big 5 sports is NOT an LBS. Even if they do sell bike tubes (that are mis-labeled). They do not carry threaded CO2 and their stock bicycle pumps are borderline kids toys. 4) My run clothes are going to be too hot. Something I would have never learned except for doing these long bricks. I always run in these clothes. Never had a problem until I tried after 6+hr bike.
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New user![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Awesome Big 5 is not a LBS. Good lesson learned. Way to pull in your fuel. That is always my hard part to. I think I have mine dialed in for the year to. Last year I had to change all my gels and drinks a month or so before CDA. My body no longer liked what I was using and it made life rough. I was thinking about the run clothes to. The last couple years I have just gone in my tri shorts and top. I am a MOP person and was thinking this year to just change to fresh run shorts and a top. Still on the fence with it but am thinking about it. Anyone else do this? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yeah, the good thing was that this happened in the only part of the ride that is anywhere near a place that sells tubes. I was even a relatively short walk from it. The sad thing is that there is both an REI and a real LBS within another 3mi or so from that Big 5 but they were not easy to get to and walking in my cleats is too difficult to cover the additional distance.
Regarding the run clothes - For me, mentally, it's a huge difference to be in something clean and dry. If even for only a short while. I'm not setting any land speed records so an extra minute or two is worth it for me. Edited by cnsegura 2013-05-11 8:49 AM |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Someone once threw out the phrase, "Semper Gumby" which means "always flexibile"(Gumby was a flexible toy turned into a saturday morning cartoon). I have never been in any Endurance event that went totally as I had predicted. I look foreward to Rolling with it.
Did anybody else get heart palpitations when someone wrote, "see you in 45 days".....Holy crap its almost here. I always get anxious this time of year as my body starts hurting with all of the increased miles. Makes me paranoid....is this new pain normal and block it out, or should I back off.
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() edawno - 2013-05-11 1:53 AM I was thinking about the run clothes to. The last couple years I have just gone in my tri shorts and top. I am a MOP person and was thinking this year to just change to fresh run shorts and a top. Still on the fence with it but am thinking about it. Anyone else do this? I did a full change into running shorts and a running top for my first IM. It was nice to have on dry clean clothes. I do however like to have the pockets on my tri top for nutrition and like to run in compression so I will not be changing. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I plan on changing socks but that's it.Got in 70 on the course today, full loop plus another trip up to Higgens point, followed by about 5 miles off running and a very short 8 minute swim in the lake. I still need some work on nutrition, well remembering to take any at all. Also need to work on training in the heat, I was cooked early. Thanks spie34 for dragging me along and for the great tips! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I changed into a clean pair of tri shorts for the run, but kept the same top on. It was just nice to have something clean and dry for a bit. I'm turning into a mountain goat. Friday was swimbikerun day - 3600 m swim, 3 hr ride up a canyon (12.5 mi / 3100 ft gain plus some other easier miles), 30 min transition run. Today is 5.5 hrs and I'm doing a pretty classic Boulder, CO ride. http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/485558 Something like 4000+ ft climbing in 18 miles. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Awesome Erin, since I just moved to CO I haven't done that ride but I've driven the roads. It's a great day for it. Yesterday for me at 100 miles on the bike followed by a 10 mile run. I've been thinking about what I'm going to wear on race day. For IMTX I wore the same thing all day. If I did change into something different it wouldn't have matter it was 90+ degrees and it would have been wet in a matter of minutes. Are we going to try and meet before the race anyone? I have one date for some beers on Monday after the race, I'm looking forward to that :-) 42 days! Train hard, stay safe out there! |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mountain_erin - 2013-05-12 9:01 AM I changed into a clean pair of tri shorts for the run, but kept the same top on. It was just nice to have something clean and dry for a bit. I'm turning into a mountain goat. Friday was swimbikerun day - 3600 m swim, 3 hr ride up a canyon (12.5 mi / 3100 ft gain plus some other easier miles), 30 min transition run. Today is 5.5 hrs and I'm doing a pretty classic Boulder, CO ride. http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/485558 Something like 4000+ ft climbing in 18 miles. I envy those of you that live in the Boulder area. I absolutely love riding around there. The roads are in great shape and the scenery is tough to match. I was there for a couple of weeks last year and rode everyday. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() smithe68 - 2013-05-11 7:42 PM I plan on changing socks but that's it.Got in 70 on the course today, full loop plus another trip up to Higgens point, followed by about 5 miles off running and a very short 8 minute swim in the lake. I still need some work on nutrition, well remembering to take any at all. Also need to work on training in the heat, I was cooked early. Thanks spie34 for dragging me along and for the great tips! It was a good day yesterday. The water was tolerable after the initial shock. The heat did come around about noon and on the bike course there is no shaded areas at all so be prepared if race day is hot. if you live in a colder climate and are able to bike outside now, I would suggest wearing some extra layers of clothing since that is the only way you can somewhat get used to the heat. I know a guy who ran a marathon in Hawaii and he would run on his treadmill in the house with the heat turn up just so he could somewhat acclimate to the weather. smithe68. thanks for the ride, run, and swim. It all so much more tolerable when you have someone to converse with besides yourself. Good luck at troika this next weekend. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I am not planning on changing. If I change anyhing as smithe68 says, will be socks. But I haven't quite decided on wearing socks for the bike as of yet. So we started riding just a few minutes after 8 yesterday morning. Temps was just about 60-62 Rode the small Higgins loop and then went out on the big loop. Coming back after the turnaround, it was 88.5 degrees according to my bike computer. Getting back into town to the park it was 81 degrees but that was in the shade as well. I was wearing what you see in my picture plus some arm sleeves to keep the direct sunlight off my arms. I got hot going up the hills but on the flats and downhills I wasn't hot nor cold. I contemplated on taking them off but didn't want them to be in the pockets on my back. One thing I am possible thinking about doing is buying some socks from the dollar store and cutting holes in them. After the swim, put them on and when I get hot take them off and chuck them in the garbage at the age station. A friend of mine told me that little trick when dealing with cooler weather first thing in the morning after the swim.
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() errnkp - 2013-05-12 11:15 AM for you guys who live in the area, what is the water temperature like http://www.lakecoeurdalene.com/lake-conditions/ Honestly I believe it's warmer now than it was last year on race day. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() errnkp - 2013-05-12 11:15 AM for you guys who live in the area, what is the water temperature like smithe68 and I went for a quick dip yesterday. It was very tolerable and after looking at the link he gave this morning, I can say that is more like what it felt compared to 52-54 degrees. Amazing at how much a few degrees will make things in the water. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() damnit this weekend was so hot lol. I only pee'd once during the 5 hours on Saturday so i think i didn't go hard enough on the water or maybe i was perfect? Either way i got in 68 miles and 6 running.
Thanks for the sock idea spie, i will probably use that if its going to be cold in the morning. Also someone said to tape Hand warmers to the bars and you can throw those off later too. |
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