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 2010-04-25 6:41 AM in reply to: #2809180 |
Elite  2423  |  Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed.itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-22 7:48 AM wbayek - 2010-04-21 1:04 AM Have a great second round Ray, and come back ready to hit it hard. I did a 5k TT today by the way: 23:18. I went out way too fast, but it was fun and I plan to hit these every 5 weeks to benchmark progress. Nice! I think it is very useful for me to see the progress that I am making (or have made)...and that's nice and quick! Same for me. Not every race will be a PB nor will every workout be a huge improvement but periodic testing is great to justify changes you are making and tracking progress. |
| 2010-04-25 6:44 AM in reply to: #2812291 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. mdfahy - 2010-04-23 11:51 AM How often do you guys do TT in each sport? My 20 week HIM plan only had a couple swim TTs and I think a 10k race, that I didn't fit in. I haven't done any TT in bike or run other than my races. Every 4 weeks for bike / run. Since I bike with power the numbers change through the year. Swimming has been twice in 6 weeks. A 1K and then 2200y. |
| 2010-04-25 6:50 AM in reply to: #2813919 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-04-24 2:02 PM I plan to TT my run every 4 weeks on the week I'm doing a shorter long run. I'm not sure about the bike yet. I have a route I've done a lot in the past and plan to use it, but I haven't figured out how to fit it in yet. Maybe as the interval bike for that week (it's very hilly so the hills sort of build the intervals in). Swimming sort of TT's itself since the workouts are interval based, so I may not TT swimming at all. In terms of a plan, I'm planning to use the general ideas of a plan, and tailor it around my available times. Essentially, most plans seem to have the key workouts, and I'm making sure those fit and the rest I'm doing my best to fit the volumes and lower volume days to be sure to have rest built in. I would do the bike as a tempo workout. Your FTP or functional threshold power is just a made up number. Its the power you can hold for an hour or calculated from a shorter time to estimate. Sort of like running a 5K to predict longer distance times. So I would not do it as an interval since they tend to be short. The standard test is a warmup followed by 20min hard 2min easyish 20min slightly harder than the first If you train by HR you can take the overall average of the 42min and then take 97% of that number and you will have an estimate of your 'lactate threshold HR' which you can then set training zones from. Again it is just an estimate and guide to help train more productively. |
| 2010-04-25 7:21 AM in reply to: #2814190 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. RunRene - 2010-04-24 5:25 PM Hello Folks, hope all the training is going well! Sorry I have been out of the loop, the race of life has been going pretty fast so I need to try and keep up.  I was an employee of IBM and on April 9, I was laid off. My job was outsourced to Brazil. The Monday following I had two interviews. This last Thursday I was offered a job as a Computer Programmer with a significant pay cut. I will probably accept the job on Monday, as many of my friends have been unemployed for 4 months or more. The Monday I had two interviews my daughter (8) came home with lice, 3 or 4 kids have had it in her class. We had to wash a ton of clothes and clean the house thoroughly. Fortunately, me, my wife and other daughter did not catch the lice. Yesterday was my other daughters 5th birthday. It was a great time and I ate lots of chocolate Costco cake, Yum!! In any case, I have been training a bit and my Tri last week went GREAT. I am working on a race report. The Race for the Cure (5K) the following day was pretty much a family fun run. I ran and pushed the stroller with my then 4 year old while my wife and 8 year old ran it. My 8 year old ran the whole thing in 31:32!! We were very proud of her. I did comment on a few races. It seems to help when folks post that they had or will be racing on the forum. Have a great rest of your weekend! Glad you found a new job so quick. I am sure the transition will be hard, but I am sure there is a great silver lining as a result. You just may not see it yet. |
| 2010-04-25 11:54 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 386  Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Hi guys - I just wanted to post something about our group. As mentioned a few weeks back, I joined another mentor group, just to continue learning from more people, but I have to say it is NOTHING like our group. There are way too many people and it is dominated by 3 or 4 people who have their own agenda. Because of this, everyone else's questions/posts/comments get pushed back and not even read at times. And this has made to where there isn't a close nit feeling like what we've established here. So, Aaron, thank you for keeping it rather small and thank you to everyone else for allowing this to be a wonderful group! ok - carry on, my group hug session is over  |
| 2010-04-25 2:17 PM in reply to: #2814973 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. barelfly - 2010-04-25 12:54 PM Hi guys - I just wanted to post something about our group. As mentioned a few weeks back, I joined another mentor group, just to continue learning from more people, but I have to say it is NOTHING like our group. There are way too many people and it is dominated by 3 or 4 people who have their own agenda. Because of this, everyone else's questions/posts/comments get pushed back and not even read at times. And this has made to where there isn't a close nit feeling like what we've established here. So, Aaron, thank you for keeping it rather small and thank you to everyone else for allowing this to be a wonderful group! ok - carry on, my group hug session is over Totally agree. I have another group which is ok, but this is my primary group and has a very unique feel. Thanks for staying on Aaron, and everyone else too. |
| 2010-04-26 7:09 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Master 1736  Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Rene - that's tough. Good on you getting another offer so quickly though. I hope this works out for the best. I also really appreciate that you got to spend time with the family because when it all shakes out - that is truly what is important. (and the chocolate cake doesn't sound too bad either ;-) ). About this mentor group - X1000...this has been a great fit for me and I am very happy to be part of such an encouraging group - especially as someone who is doing the shorter distances this year. If it wasn't for you all, I wouldn't have signed up for the half marathon and my run wouldn't have improved the way it has. Thanks to you all. The half marathon is now two weeks out. I have one more longish run (1:30) on the calendar on Thursday and then it's taper time...but I actually am getting pretty nervous. Sunday, I did a long run (2:15) after returning from a weekend with my daughters in Boston. I felt good for the first part of the run, but by the last 3 miles, I just slowed. I still felt ok (a little creaky, but nothing insurmountable), but couldn't get my legs moving quickly at all. I also was completely wiped out after the finish - so very tired and achy. So - this leads me to my panic. I know I can finish the race - but can I finish it in my desired time and will I be able to walk through the airport to get home afterward? How difficult was the recovery for you all? How prepared did you feel going into the race? Any feedback would be very appreciated. |
| 2010-04-26 9:06 AM in reply to: #2816194 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-26 8:09 AM So - this leads me to my panic. I know I can finish the race - but can I finish it in my desired time and will I be able to walk through the airport to get home afterward? How difficult was the recovery for you all? How prepared did you feel going into the race? Any feedback would be very appreciated. Jennifer, you'll do great. Don't try to use this last two weeks to get more speed or endurance into your body, you are already very prepared. After a week of taper you will feel very strong and rested. Remember to go out slow - 13.1 miles gives you plenty of chance to make up time if you feel good later. And if it's hot or humid take that into account and hydrate and ease your pace. Be sure to take a lesson from me and remember to hydrate and eat correctly before the race. Mostly, just enjoy the experience and have fun. That's why we do this!Recovery took me a few days to feel normal and ready to start training again. |
| 2010-04-26 10:34 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 286 Orange, CA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Here's a good article on recovery... http://www.active.com/running/Articles/3-Phases-of-Post-Marathon-Recovery.htm Rene, sorry to hear about your tough couple of weeks. Sounds like you're adjusting well and making things happen and taking care of your family. Great job on all fronts! |
| 2010-04-26 3:42 PM in reply to: #2812601 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. bfoyle - 2010-04-23 12:55 PM wow, I just figured out what you were talking about Matt...That's just what the training plan had scheduled for that day. I'm not seriously planning on trying that volume. Seems strange that the plan would have that on the second weekend of 16 but I guess they expect people to come in some decent shape. We'll see how it goes. Which leads to a question...do you guys customize your plans and how much? I usually just look at them from an overall weekly volume perspective and try to match it up somewhere in that range. Would you recommend following it exactly or just loosely? I was wondering what plan you were using and thought that was a huge volume for just starting out, at least compared to the beg. plan I used for HIM. Being so new to the sport, I just tried to look at a week at a time and attempt to do all the workouts in that week. At the beginning of the week I would reorganize the planned workouts with my schedule, just so it was easy for me to follow each day. |
| 2010-04-26 3:58 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Sorry to hear about your job loss Rene, it's tough still on the job front. My wife lost her job over 6 months ago, right after loosing it she had an opportunity like you for a job with a much reduced pay, she didn't go for it at the time, but now she might have decided otherwise. She worked on DOD contracts and being a Canadien citizen they changed the rules that all DOD contracts required US citizenship, so her firm had to let her go. The benefit for us/her was that we had a 6 mo. old and she got to spend time with our daughter and get some classes for her masters degree out of the way. She's also picked up a few small contractor jobs. She is an elearning consultant/instructional designer. It's great to hear that you found another opportunity so quickly. Good luck and glad to hear from you. |
| 2010-04-26 4:01 PM in reply to: #2816194 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. The half marathon is now two weeks out. I have one more longish run (1:30) on the calendar on Thursday and then it's taper time...but I actually am getting pretty nervous. Sunday, I did a long run (2:15) after returning from a weekend with my daughters in Boston. I felt good for the first part of the run, but by the last 3 miles, I just slowed. I still felt ok (a little creaky, but nothing insurmountable), but couldn't get my legs moving quickly at all. I also was completely wiped out after the finish - so very tired and achy. So - this leads me to my panic. I know I can finish the race - but can I finish it in my desired time and will I be able to walk through the airport to get home afterward? How difficult was the recovery for you all? How prepared did you feel going into the race? Any feedback would be very appreciated. You will do great. You have put in some great training over the past few months and it comes down to believing in your training, giving yourself the proper rest/taper and then just doing your best and having fun. We'll all be rooting for you! |
| 2010-04-26 4:46 PM in reply to: #2815135 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-04-25 3:17 PM barelfly - 2010-04-25 12:54 PM Hi guys - I just wanted to post something about our group. As mentioned a few weeks back, I joined another mentor group, just to continue learning from more people, but I have to say it is NOTHING like our group. There are way too many people and it is dominated by 3 or 4 people who have their own agenda. Because of this, everyone else's questions/posts/comments get pushed back and not even read at times. And this has made to where there isn't a close nit feeling like what we've established here. So, Aaron, thank you for keeping it rather small and thank you to everyone else for allowing this to be a wonderful group! ok - carry on, my group hug session is over Totally agree. I have another group which is ok, but this is my primary group and has a very unique feel. Thanks for staying on Aaron, and everyone else too. Good to hear it. We can keep this going for as long as we want/need. |
| 2010-04-26 4:48 PM in reply to: #2816194 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-26 8:09 AM Rene - that's tough. Good on you getting another offer so quickly though. I hope this works out for the best. I also really appreciate that you got to spend time with the family because when it all shakes out - that is truly what is important. (and the chocolate cake doesn't sound too bad either ;-) ). About this mentor group - X1000...this has been a great fit for me and I am very happy to be part of such an encouraging group - especially as someone who is doing the shorter distances this year. If it wasn't for you all, I wouldn't have signed up for the half marathon and my run wouldn't have improved the way it has. Thanks to you all. The half marathon is now two weeks out. I have one more longish run (1:30) on the calendar on Thursday and then it's taper time...but I actually am getting pretty nervous. Sunday, I did a long run (2:15) after returning from a weekend with my daughters in Boston. I felt good for the first part of the run, but by the last 3 miles, I just slowed. I still felt ok (a little creaky, but nothing insurmountable), but couldn't get my legs moving quickly at all. I also was completely wiped out after the finish - so very tired and achy. So - this leads me to my panic. I know I can finish the race - but can I finish it in my desired time and will I be able to walk through the airport to get home afterward? How difficult was the recovery for you all? How prepared did you feel going into the race? Any feedback would be very appreciated. I would not worry much. Was nutrition any different than other long runs? Tired after shopping all weekend? Just make sure you taper. Go out easy so that you do not blow up in the first 3miles. |
| 2010-04-27 8:10 AM in reply to: #2817954 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. aarondavidson - 2010-04-26 5:48 PM itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-26 8:09 AM Rene - that's tough. Good on you getting another offer so quickly though. I hope this works out for the best. I also really appreciate that you got to spend time with the family because when it all shakes out - that is truly what is important. (and the chocolate cake doesn't sound too bad either ;-) ). About this mentor group - X1000...this has been a great fit for me and I am very happy to be part of such an encouraging group - especially as someone who is doing the shorter distances this year. If it wasn't for you all, I wouldn't have signed up for the half marathon and my run wouldn't have improved the way it has. Thanks to you all. The half marathon is now two weeks out. I have one more longish run (1:30) on the calendar on Thursday and then it's taper time...but I actually am getting pretty nervous. Sunday, I did a long run (2:15) after returning from a weekend with my daughters in Boston. I felt good for the first part of the run, but by the last 3 miles, I just slowed. I still felt ok (a little creaky, but nothing insurmountable), but couldn't get my legs moving quickly at all. I also was completely wiped out after the finish - so very tired and achy. So - this leads me to my panic. I know I can finish the race - but can I finish it in my desired time and will I be able to walk through the airport to get home afterward? How difficult was the recovery for you all? How prepared did you feel going into the race? Any feedback would be very appreciated. I would not worry much. Was nutrition any different than other long runs? Tired after shopping all weekend? Just make sure you taper. Go out easy so that you do not blow up in the first 3miles. Ditto that... I made sure to take it relatively easy for the first half of my race and then started to push it the final 6 miles. It was a great feeling to have something left in the tank and be able to pick up the pace when so many other runners were starting to walk. In my limited experience, it seems like so many people don't taper properly. You've been logging a TON of miles on the bike, running and in the pool over the past couple months, so make sure you have adequate down time so you enter the race strong and fresh. You won't lose any cardio/endurance if you take it very, very light the week before the race and shut it down completely 2 days before. Don't stress or panic... remember... THIS IS FUN! |
| 2010-04-27 9:30 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 542 Pauls Valley, OK | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Hello, I would like to introduce myself...... Seems like I have been gone forever. Well, all my vactioning is over now, bah. Time to get serious about some IM training! 22 weeks and counting. Sorry about your situation Rene. Jennifer, you are prepared and ready to go. Your race should be a celebration of your training. Enjoy the the next few weeks, because you've already put in the hard work. |
| 2010-04-27 11:12 AM in reply to: #2816194 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-25 5:09 PM The half marathon is now two weeks out. I have one more longish run (1:30) on the calendar on Thursday and then it's taper time...but I actually am getting pretty nervous. Sunday, I did a long run (2:15) after returning from a weekend with my daughters in Boston. I felt good for the first part of the run, but by the last 3 miles, I just slowed. I still felt ok (a little creaky, but nothing insurmountable), but couldn't get my legs moving quickly at all. I also was completely wiped out after the finish - so very tired and achy. So - this leads me to my panic. I know I can finish the race - but can I finish it in my desired time and will I be able to walk through the airport to get home afterward? How difficult was the recovery for you all? How prepared did you feel going into the race? Any feedback would be very appreciated. When I did my Marathon in 2008 in Portland, I was limping through the airport. A cringed every time I had to go over a curb. Jennifer, you will do great! Remember all the biking and swimming you have done to train yourself in addition to all those runs you have done. On race day remember it is an accumulation of all the hard work you put in up to that point. And looking at your logs that is A LOT!!!! It is good you did the 2:15, on race day it won't be a surprise if you feel as bad but if you don't feel that bad it will be great. You will be ready, after a nice taper your body will be ready to explode at the race. Pace yourself and have fun! |
| 2010-04-27 11:12 AM in reply to: #2819306 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. ray6foot7 - 2010-04-26 7:30 PM Hello, I would like to introduce myself...... Seems like I have been gone forever. Well, all my vactioning is over now, bah. Time to get serious about some IM training! 22 weeks and counting. Sorry about your situation Rene. Jennifer, you are prepared and ready to go. Your race should be a celebration of your training. Enjoy the the next few weeks, because you've already put in the hard work. Welcome back big man! Get ready to rock and roll!  |
| 2010-04-27 2:45 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. So I have a problem. I finally got outside for a few rides last week, and I can't get down in the aerobars on the road. It's just too uncontrolled for me. I have set my road bike up maybe way too much like a tri bike - turning the seat post around, everything is way forward, which I know is unstable for a road bike base don the geometry. On the trainer it's been awesome, but on the road, it's just way too twitchy to even put my arms down. I'm considering turning the seat post back, and moving my aerobars bars back so the aero position more closely resembles my road bike position when I'm down in the drops. I realize if I just move my seat back and leave the bars where they are I'll be way too outstretched to be comfortable. Does anyone else have this issue or any ideas? Also, I paid attention to my shifting to evaluate whether the bars even make sense for my "normal" rides. I am not in one gear more than 30 seconds, so I'm wondering how much aerobars even make sense based on where I ride - constantly up or down hills. Without moving the shifters, I have to move out of aero to shift so it seems to defeat the purpose. |
| 2010-04-28 7:53 AM in reply to: #2819306 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. ray6foot7 - 2010-04-27 10:30 AM Hello, I would like to introduce myself...... Seems like I have been gone forever. Well, all my vactioning is over now, bah. Time to get serious about some IM training! 22 weeks and counting. Sorry about your situation Rene. Jennifer, you are prepared and ready to go. Your race should be a celebration of your training. Enjoy the the next few weeks, because you've already put in the hard work. Welcome back... Hope you enjoyed your vacationS... good to have you back in the group! A few of us have similar training schedules, so the next few months should be fun. |
| 2010-04-28 7:56 AM in reply to: #2819306 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. ray6foot7 - 2010-04-27 10:30 AM Hello, I would like to introduce myself...... Seems like I have been gone forever. Well, all my vactioning is over now, bah. Time to get serious about some IM training! 22 weeks and counting. Sorry about your situation Rene. Jennifer, you are prepared and ready to go. Your race should be a celebration of your training. Enjoy the the next few weeks, because you've already put in the hard work. Welcome back. Perfect timing to finish an Ironman. |
| 2010-04-28 7:59 AM in reply to: #2820495 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-04-27 3:45 PM So I have a problem. I finally got outside for a few rides last week, and I can't get down in the aerobars on the road. It's just too uncontrolled for me. I have set my road bike up maybe way too much like a tri bike - turning the seat post around, everything is way forward, which I know is unstable for a road bike base don the geometry. On the trainer it's been awesome, but on the road, it's just way too twitchy to even put my arms down. I'm considering turning the seat post back, and moving my aerobars bars back so the aero position more closely resembles my road bike position when I'm down in the drops. I realize if I just move my seat back and leave the bars where they are I'll be way too outstretched to be comfortable. Does anyone else have this issue or any ideas? Also, I paid attention to my shifting to evaluate whether the bars even make sense for my "normal" rides. I am not in one gear more than 30 seconds, so I'm wondering how much aerobars even make sense based on where I ride - constantly up or down hills. Without moving the shifters, I have to move out of aero to shift so it seems to defeat the purpose. Aero bars do take some getting used to, but it sounds like your geometry may be set up too aggressively. Have you tried riding somewhere where you don't have to worry about any traffic and have enough room to work out some of the "twitchiness"? When I first got my tri bike, I took it to a park where there is a wide paved running path that has only a few very easy turns. I was able to get into the aero position and practice getting up and down, shifting, turning while in the aero position, etc. It gave me a good comfort level before my first real ride. Just a thought... |
| 2010-04-28 9:37 AM in reply to: #2821927 |
Master 1736 Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. billsorg - 2010-04-27 8:59 PM Have you tried riding somewhere where you don't have to worry about any traffic and have enough room to work out some of the "twitchiness"? This sounds like a great idea (much like getting used to clipping in on grass). About the shifting...the races that you are doing - are they similar in terrain to what you train on? If they are - the amount of shifting you are doing shouldn't change much - so it is worth investigation. I know that the Mainiac Tri was relatively flat, with minimal shifting for me - which would have made popping in and out of aero moot. I have heard that aero can be quite twitchy...but then again, I don't have aero bars and I didn't stay at a Holiday Express last night.  |
| 2010-04-28 10:28 AM in reply to: #2822278 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-28 10:37 AM billsorg - 2010-04-27 8:59 PM Have you tried riding somewhere where you don't have to worry about any traffic and have enough room to work out some of the "twitchiness"? This sounds like a great idea (much like getting used to clipping in on grass). About the shifting...the races that you are doing - are they similar in terrain to what you train on? If they are - the amount of shifting you are doing shouldn't change much - so it is worth investigation. I know that the Mainiac Tri was relatively flat, with minimal shifting for me - which would have made popping in and out of aero moot. I have heard that aero can be quite twitchy...but then again, I don't have aero bars and I didn't stay at a Holiday Express last night. I think my training routes are way hillier than the HIM I'll be racing (Pumpkinman in Maine), but somewhat similar to the sprints and Oly. I agree that if all races were like the Mainiac, I'd have little or no problem shifting since it was so flat. In fact, I used aerobars for a fair amount of that race even though I hadn't been on them in training. I'll try modifying my position a little and then going to a "safe" neighborhood to practice. I haven't even thought of that, which is a dough moment. Sometimes I'm amazed at how clueless I am! |
| 2010-04-28 10:44 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 542 Pauls Valley, OK | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. I switched to a fast foward seat last summer. I was vary unstable. I actually went down twice before I got used to it, and I have been riding on aerobars since 1987. After several rides I could finally ride a straight line and not worry about falling. On the shifters, I got nothing. I have never had shift levers on my brake levers. I went straight from downtube shifter and aerobars to shifters on the end of my clip ons. |
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