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lillychicago - 2011-02-12 10:55 AM As I get stuck in to my training plan, the race is 6 months away and I am already having nightmares. Last night I had a dream that I was late for the race, had no nutrition and had to stop at the gas staion to buy a box of Fig Newtons which I duck taped to my bike. 


When I did Kansas last year, I forgot to pack my Gels.  I only had one in my gear bag.  Naturally, I didn't realize this until the night before the race.  I made sure I grabbed all the Gels I could at all the aid stations.  Funny thing, when I ended the race I only had one Gel left.


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I am not using race wheels.  What is on my bike will have to make it.  Rode 40.7 miles on the rolling hills of central NC today.  There was quite a stiff wind coming out of the west today. 

To those who have completed IM Lou previously, how is the wind on the bike course?  Do we need to be prepared for headwinds on any particular part of the course?

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2011-02-12 4:39 PM
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Jillian - just in case you change your mind about renting race wheels.  There are two shops in Louisville that can help you if want to do it near the race venue.  VO2 Multisport and Bicycle Sport (conveniently located about 500 yards apart in the St. Mathews area).  ....and for what its worth, I am racing on my factory specials too.  The new bike, entry fees, and coaches fees have swallowed most of the tri allowance my wife has allotted me.  So no wheels, this year.     
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danes...I did IMLOU in 2009, and I don't recall the wind being a factor that year, and I don't think historically it is known for it's wind factor. Having said that, you never know what you're going to get. The only weather feature I would prepare for when it comes to this race is the heat.
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So I took advantage of the nice weather in Louisville today and did an 8 mi run.  Afterward I am noticing that the heels of my soles are very tender.  At first I wrote this off thinking that it was b/c I have been treadmill training lately and not pounding away on pavement.  But I started to consider that it might be time for new shoes or inserts.  Shoes are relatively new (OCT) but were worn casually through the winter.  Thoughts? 
2011-02-12 5:53 PM
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lillychicago - 2011-02-12 11:55 AM As I get stuck in to my training plan, the race is 6 months away and I am already having nightmares. Last night I had a dream that I was late for the race, had no nutrition and had to stop at the gas staion to buy a box of Fig Newtons which I duck taped to my bike. 


I could have been worse, they could have been Fat Free Newtons


2011-02-13 7:57 AM
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"Redremy"

Just in case it is the Ugly PF showing its face...ICE...roll your feet gently on a golf ball or tennis ball...keep a plastic bottle half filled with water and put it in the freezer...roll your foot on it 10min.

Ok, now for my  silly question of the day:

I have racing wheels 404 all carbon that I got as a gift for IM Coz...I also live in the swamp land of South Fl so yes, it is flat and windy all the time (rolling hills are going to be like the Himalayas for me..I am scared to death...) I am planning to go to Central Fl to ride some rolling hills (yes, there are some!) and someone told me that all carbon wheels can actually "melt"? if you are riding on hills and braking. I have the special break pads for carbon. Ok, is this true?

I had a nightmare last night that my wheels looked like a figure 8 when I was halfway into the race!!

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2011-02-13 8:18 AM
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Interesting question. I would ask a reputible bike shop that question. I asked a similar question about my carbon fiber bike. I asked if it would be a problem having my bike in our van for many hours on a hot day. He said that would be fine. However, I think those are two very different issues.
Back when I was cool and had my HED 3, carbon wheels, they had a metal portion on the tops of the rims to protect where my brake pads hit.
My guess, is that there is something to what you are saying. However, do you think you are going to be riding the brakes that much?

As far as the dreams...mine usually consist of being late for the event and missing the start. I hate that!
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Trirun26... I just put the bottle in the freezer.  Thanks.  
2011-02-13 1:53 PM
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I am thinking about buying a Cervelo P2 - Has anyone raced IM Louisville on a Cervelo P2? Does it handle rollers well? How is the Ultegra 6700 shifting? I did IMCDA in 2010 on a heavy Aluminum bike and, partly because I train in completely flatlands and because the bike is heavy, I had a terrible time climbing.
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trirun26 - 2011-02-13 8:57 AM "Redremy"

Ok, now for my  silly question of the day:

I have racing wheels 404 all carbon that I got as a gift for IM Coz...I also live in the swamp land of South Fl so yes, it is flat and windy all the time (rolling hills are going to be like the Himalayas for me..I am scared to death...) I am planning to go to Central Fl to ride some rolling hills (yes, there are some!) and someone told me that all carbon wheels can actually "melt"? if you are riding on hills and braking. I have the special break pads for carbon. Ok, is this true?

That's actually not a dumb question.  There are two kinds of carbon wheels.  The first are clinchers and they have a metal track that the tire mounts on and the brake pads make contact there.  You can brake as normal for these.  The second set is all carbon and are generally tubulars, but some of the new ones are clinchers.  These don't have the metal and the brake pad contacts carbon.  With these type wheels you want to be careful to not apply constant pressure to the brakes for long periods.  Just release them for a second every ten seconds or so.  Don't be afraid to brake hard if you need to.  It is very unlikely that you'll melt them and you are better off keeping all your bones intact.



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Just a helpful tip for Redremy or anyone who may be dealing with PF (plantar fasciitis):

I have had an extreme case of PF since July.  Totally my fault since I refused to deal with it until after my Ironman, FL (11/6).  Wow, has this been a big giant pain in the a**!!  First, your PF at the heal area should (according to my Dr.) measure about 3 mm; mine was measuring 7mm.  Ouch, no wonder the pain....lol.  Anyway, after 11 weeks off running, 3 visits to my Dr., a shot of steroids, heavy dose of oral steroids, endless sleepless nights in that darn night splint and many, many painful nights (4 weeks to be exact) of my husband pushing on the fasciia with his thumb and/or butt end of a butter knife (to scrape away the scar tissue), I am finally back to running.....Yay!!  Slowly, I might add and I'm only allowed to run about 1 hour or so at a time until the beginning of March.

Ok, so what's my tip you ask?  Stretching.  A lot.  This may be total norm for many of you, but, not for me it wasn't.  Yes, I stretched things here and there, but I wasn't even close to what I should be doing for my calves.  My Dr. has told me that stretching out your calves, regularly and well is the single best prevention for PF.  Lesson learned.  I now have a "step stretch" that works wonders.  I never want to go through this BS again, so regular, deep stretching it is

I've also learned that skin heals in 7-10 days, bone in about 6 weeks, and tendons.....90-100 days.  Yikes, thats a lot of time for us endurance athletes!!

Sorry this post was so long, I just want to help prevent someone else from going through this madness!  Happy Training!!
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trirun26 - 2011-02-13 8:57 AM "Redremy"

Ok, now for my  silly question of the day:

I have racing wheels 404 all carbon that I got as a gift for IM Coz...I also live in the swamp land of South Fl so yes, it is flat and windy all the time (rolling hills are going to be like the Himalayas for me..I am scared to death...) I am planning to go to Central Fl to ride some rolling hills (yes, there are some!) and someone told me that all carbon wheels can actually "melt"? if you are riding on hills and braking. I have the special break pads for carbon. Ok, is this true?

That's actually not a dumb question.  There are two kinds of carbon wheels.  The first are clinchers and they have a metal track that the tire mounts on and the brake pads make contact there.  You can brake as normal for these.  The second set is all carbon and are generally tubulars, but some of the new ones are clinchers.  These don't have the metal and the brake pad contacts carbon.  With these type wheels you want to be careful to not apply constant pressure to the brakes for long periods.  Just release them for a second every ten seconds or so.  Don't be afraid to brake hard if you need to.  It is very unlikely that you'll melt them and you are better off keeping all your bones intact.



Thank you all for answering my question! Glad it was not a silly question. I have the carbon tubulars. Hopefully I will not be breaking like a maniac..lol..I guess my bad dream got me thinking..

So, really how bad are these rolling hills? I know it is somewhat subjective but are there any steep hills..I am aware it is 95% rolling hills as I have read. Oh, this is going to be painful but exciting ;-)...
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The first real hill you will encounter is at roughly 10 miles in. It gets a little steep, but it's a welcome reprieve from all the flat nonsense.
The next hill of real consequence is in the out and back portion. It is relatively steep and fairly long.
You are right though, it is a rolling course, but what I discovered is that it gives back. It rolls up...but it rolls down. The hills are not monsters, but they are frequent.
Train to go the distance. Be ready to shift into lower gears going up so that you are spinning. Don't try to power the hills. You will be fine.
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jillian_o - 2011-02-11 9:30 PM Its nagging, and I just have to know, will I be the only one racing IMLOU without race wheels? I had to scrape just to be able to buy my entry level tri bike, along with all the other gear, and just won't be able to buy race wheels. I don't want to feel "inferior".


I'm sure you will do fine.  When it comes to cycling its really more about the engine than the car.  There is no substitute.  In years past there have been two individuals do IM KY who competed with some unique equipment to say the least. One guy has his own website and goes by "Old School". He rides a moutain bike.  The second guy my friends and I call "Mountain man".  He has a long beard and rides something that looks like a steel framed Schwinn circa 1980... in blue jean shorts and tennis shoes to boot!  So, don't worry.  You are really only competing against yourself.  You have been an inspiration to many already.  Just keep it up.
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Thanks for all the comments on the race wheels, honestly, I'm just really happy we were able to scape enough to get me a tri bike. Back in November the bike shop, who carries Trek, was trying move their 2010 Exquinoxs to make room for the 2011 speed concepts, so I got a good deal on a 2010 Equinox 7 WSD.


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CHALLENGE TO ALL IMLOU ATHLETES....  Smile

This year I am committed to volunteering at three different events. One I have already done by way of assisting with marketing the event. The other two will be more physical/hands on, at the events themselves.

My challenge to you is to volunteer at, at least one race this year. It doesn't have to be a triathlon necessarily. It can be a single sport event.

Think of all of the volunteers who will be out there during our race days. They don't have to be, but they are choosing to be out there, in order to make our day a positive one. It is my goal to do the same for other athletes at a volunteer capacity.

You might already be doing this, but if you are not, please consider volunteering. It's actually a lot of fun, very motivating, and rewarding. Bring a cowbell with you too...as you know, we like that.

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I will take the challenge Sam, in the weeks after IMLOU when I am recovering I will volunteer for the 2 road races going on in September.
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trirun26 - 2011-02-13 8:57 AM "Redremy"

Ok, now for my  silly question of the day:

I have racing wheels 404 all carbon that I got as a gift for IM Coz...I also live in the swamp land of South Fl so yes, it is flat and windy all the time (rolling hills are going to be like the Himalayas for me..I am scared to death...) I am planning to go to Central Fl to ride some rolling hills (yes, there are some!) and someone told me that all carbon wheels can actually "melt"? if you are riding on hills and braking. I have the special break pads for carbon. Ok, is this true?

That's actually not a dumb question.  There are two kinds of carbon wheels.  The first are clinchers and they have a metal track that the tire mounts on and the brake pads make contact there.  You can brake as normal for these.  The second set is all carbon and are generally tubulars, but some of the new ones are clinchers.  These don't have the metal and the brake pad contacts carbon.  With these type wheels you want to be careful to not apply constant pressure to the brakes for long periods.  Just release them for a second every ten seconds or so.  Don't be afraid to brake hard if you need to.  It is very unlikely that you'll melt them and you are better off keeping all your bones intact.

 

Kind of… There is aluminum and carbon brake tracks on both Tubular and clincher wheels and has been for as long as I can remember.  

 

Corima is the company that had this issue with the wheel’s “melting” although the wheels were not melting. The heat from the rubber brake pads would not dissipate quick enough causing the brake track to heat up and the tubes would explode causing structural failure in the brake track or the brake pads would actually melt. There was never any instance of the carbon melting. After all carbon fiber is used on the exterior of the space shuttle and it heats up to 1260 degrees C on reentry.

 

Fast forward to the early 90’s and some one came up with the ingenious idea to use cork brake pads on carbon tracked wheels. While you would primarily use cork pads on a carbon brake track, you could use it on aluminum but in the event that the aluminum track becomes wet your brakes are pretty useless. As Brown dog has pointed out you still do not want to apply constant pressure to a carbon shoed bike as the inner tube still can rupture due to the heat build up, however, structural failure of the wheel will not happen. And to be completely honest, you would probably need to be going down a mountain and riding your brakes the entire way down for any

 

With all of that said… There are a million things that can go wrong; I would not worry about your wheels melting at all.  

 



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I had a recent ironman dream where I forgot to bring my water bottles and nutrition to the race.  In the dream I managed to get Chris McCormack to loan me some gels!  Sweet!  I think it was a pool swim too! 
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Superk--I hear that race dreams are a pretty common occurance leading up to Ironman competitions.  I am sure I will have my own to share with everyone.

The funny thing about your dream is that Macca would probably loan you just about anything of his to you if you were in a bind.  He put on a week's worth of clinics here in Alaska last summer and i have never met a more gracious and personable sports "star".  He was great. 

As an example, at the final night pot luck, a 10 year old boy went to get a picture with Macca. Macca struck up a conversation with the child and asked him if he did triathlons with his parents.  Macca then grabbed a pair of sunglasses (Oakley??) from his pocket and gave them to the child.  Told him "Maybe these will help you in your training."

You can imagine the look on the boy's face. 


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Thanks 'Jhouse4" for the info! ;-) I will not worry about my wheels melting...lol...

"trisam"...I will be volunteering  for HIM down in Miami after the IM ;-)...and I am volunteering at a children's skii camp at the end of this month..does that count?..lol..

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For those of you following the Be Iron Fit competitive plan, what are your thoughts on tomorrow's straight 2500 swim?

It kinda caught me off guard to be honest.  didn't realize we would be doing a long swim like that this early in the plan. 
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I will be driving down to IMKY on Friday morning from Quincy IL. It is about a 6.5 hour drive. I am looking for anyone who is looking to cut cost by sharing rooms Fri through Sunday night. I have to have a room anyway and have not found anyone from our local club who is going this year. Let me know if anyone is interested? This will be my first IM and anything I can do to cut cost will go a long way?
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Jillian...trirun...great examples. Way to be the movement.
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