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 2010-04-30 9:24 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
 NH |  Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed.Road bike or tri bike Ray? I'm seriously considering just setting my road bike up as a road bike and starting the account for the tri bike so I can get there as soon as possible. My three IM friends all separately gave me the same advice. They figure since the fit and aero will never be optimal with the road bike, not to throw too much $$$ at making it more tri-like but to save for tri bike and do it right. They know the courses and training rides I do and since they are so hilly it makes some sense. I'll be at the lake this weekend and we're supposed to get some great weather finally, so I'm planning to ride the mountain loop. Though mountain is a relative term from a New Englander - these aren't the Rockies! My ride will actually follow a fair amount of the Timberman sprint route for those who know about that race. |
| 2010-04-30 9:53 AM in reply to: #2828096 |
Extreme Veteran  542  Pauls Valley, OK | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. I ride an old steel road bike. 1990ish Schwinn. If I had enough money right now I would go with two bikes: one road and one tri. As it is now, I have to fit my road bike for tris. |
| 2010-04-30 10:42 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. You're putting those paces out with a 20 year old steel Schwinn? Nice. |
| 2010-04-30 10:56 AM in reply to: #2828199 |
Master 1736  Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. ray6foot7 - 2010-04-29 10:53 PM I ride an old steel road bike. 1990ish Schwinn. If I had enough money right now I would go with two bikes: one road and one tri. As it is now, I have to fit my road bike for tris. I'm with Warren on this - those paces on a 1990 road bike? Smokin'! I have come to a similar conclusion with my road bike (a 1995 Cannondale road bike)...improvements have been so vast since I last bought a bike - I'll keep the road bike and invest in a tri bike after this season instead of trying to get the road bike to work as a tri bike. I look at it the same way as I do computers - changes happen so quickly that instead of trying to upgrade parts of the old bike - it would be worthwhile to just get the latest (or maybe just last year's). I think Rene has a run this weekend - anyone else got something on the calendar? Best of luck to all...should be a great weekend weather-wise here, so I'm getting out on the bike (before it snows again). |
| 2010-04-30 11:14 AM in reply to: #2820495 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-04-27 12:45 AM So I have a problem. I finally got outside for a few rides last week, and I can't get down in the aerobars on the road. It's just too uncontrolled for me. I have set my road bike up maybe way too much like a tri bike - turning the seat post around, everything is way forward, which I know is unstable for a road bike base don the geometry. On the trainer it's been awesome, but on the road, it's just way too twitchy to even put my arms down. I'm considering turning the seat post back, and moving my aerobars bars back so the aero position more closely resembles my road bike position when I'm down in the drops. I realize if I just move my seat back and leave the bars where they are I'll be way too outstretched to be comfortable. Does anyone else have this issue or any ideas? Also, I paid attention to my shifting to evaluate whether the bars even make sense for my "normal" rides. I am not in one gear more than 30 seconds, so I'm wondering how much aerobars even make sense based on where I ride - constantly up or down hills. Without moving the shifters, I have to move out of aero to shift so it seems to defeat the purpose. When I installed my aerobars on my road bike I watched this video first. It helped me look at the measurements and how the body should sit. I did try turning the seat post around but it was too aggressive for starting out. So I just moved the seat forward a quarter inch or so. When I do ride in aero-position I move forward on the seat. My first Tri race a few weeks ago was rolling hills and I was switching gears throughout the race. When I did this I stayed in aero position and didn't move my left arm and only used my right hand to switch gears. I only needed to shift the back gears. When ever I do feel unstable I do what Ray said which is pull up on the aerobars and push down with the elbow (almost like an isolated bicep curl). |
| 2010-04-30 11:20 AM in reply to: #2828456 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-29 8:56 PM I think Rene has a run this weekend - anyone else got something on the calendar? Best of luck to all...should be a great weekend weather-wise here, so I'm getting out on the bike (before it snows again). I was going to race this weekend but I have a slight pull in my calf from that 13 mile run last weekend, so I have been icing and stretching it. I plan to jog/walk this weekend with the family and get my calf ready for the 1/2 marathon in two weeks. |
| 2010-04-30 11:46 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Thanks for that video link Rene. I've already adjusted to a much less aggressive position, so I'll tweak it a bit and get to the position in that video. I have rollers on the first part of my ride tomorrow, so I'll be able to see how it feels. Since I already have the aero bars, I may as well do the best I can with a road position and the aero bars I already have. |
| 2010-04-30 1:59 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Master 1736 Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. (Just a general warning - feeling kind of snarky) So Warren - I had a thought - how about aero on the rollers? (end snarky) |
| 2010-04-30 4:18 PM in reply to: #2829015 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-04-30 2:59 PM (Just a general warning - feeling kind of snarky) So Warren - I had a thought - how about aero on the rollers? (end snarky) And I was just starting to feel good about my roller performance. That would be quite an adventure, but I bet worth it in the long run. Man, just what I need, more challenges! |
| 2010-04-30 4:24 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. I've posted this elsewhere, but if anyone has any soft tissue problems, check the AthletesTreatingAthletes link out. Leigh, my PT and "coach", is starting a website with lots of great stuff about how to help you understand soft tissue issues and keep yourself training and off the sidelines. She's great so take a look, lots of info in there. |
| 2010-04-30 6:19 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 286 Orange, CA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Warren, I have a similar set up to you, I think, aero bars on a road bike. I shift with one hand as Rene described above, when I'm shifting alot and it's not windy, I just come up out of aero position. I did find it a bit twitchy at first but a couple of things helped. One, elbows are supposed to be behind the pads, not directly on them, leaving your forearms on the pads. Two, I don't think of steering the bike anymore...I just think of it as leaning on the pads a little heavier on that side. This works for all but the tighter turns. Rene and Aaron, wow...fast long runs. Ray, 20 year old, bike but you upgraded your legs last year, right? ...just say yes and make me feel better ;-) You guys are putting up some very fast workouts and races. Keep up the great work. I'm inspired to be a part of your group. |
| 2010-05-01 6:04 AM in reply to: #2828096 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-04-30 10:24 AM Road bike or tri bike Ray? I'm seriously considering just setting my road bike up as a road bike and starting the account for the tri bike so I can get there as soon as possible. My three IM friends all separately gave me the same advice. They figure since the fit and aero will never be optimal with the road bike, not to throw too much $$$ at making it more tri-like but to save for tri bike and do it right. They know the courses and training rides I do and since they are so hilly it makes some sense. I agree with them. Save the money in the tri account if you plan on racing. I only got a road bike last year off the forum here. Awesome deal on it as well. Road bike will never be faster unless the entire course is uphill. |
| 2010-05-01 6:50 AM in reply to: #2829477 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. bfoyle - 2010-04-30 7:19 PM Warren, I have a similar set up to you, I think, aero bars on a road bike. I shift with one hand as Rene described above, when I'm shifting alot and it's not windy, I just come up out of aero position. I did find it a bit twitchy at first but a couple of things helped. One, elbows are supposed to be behind the pads, not directly on them, leaving your forearms on the pads. Two, I don't think of steering the bike anymore...I just think of it as leaning on the pads a little heavier on that side. This works for all but the tighter turns. Rene and Aaron, wow...fast long runs. Ray, 20 year old, bike but you upgraded your legs last year, right? ...just say yes and make me feel better ;-) You guys are putting up some very fast workouts and races. Keep up the great work. I'm inspired to be a part of your group. Thank you. Elbow position is huge on aerobars. The back of your elbows should typically as a rule of of thumb be hanging off the back of the pad. Otherwise you tend to be to stretched out which then causes some of the twitchiness. |
| 2010-05-01 6:51 AM in reply to: #2829955 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. aarondavidson - 2010-05-01 7:04 AM wbayek - 2010-04-30 10:24 AM Road bike or tri bike Ray? I'm seriously considering just setting my road bike up as a road bike and starting the account for the tri bike so I can get there as soon as possible. My three IM friends all separately gave me the same advice. They figure since the fit and aero will never be optimal with the road bike, not to throw too much $$$ at making it more tri-like but to save for tri bike and do it right. They know the courses and training rides I do and since they are so hilly it makes some sense. I agree with them. Save the money in the tri account if you plan on racing. I only got a road bike last year off the forum here. Awesome deal on it as well. Road bike will never be faster unless the entire course is uphill. I feel like everywhere I pedal is uphill! Thanks for the advice. The courses I'm doing are typically like Timberman. Though I tend to pick training courses which are hillier to get more bang for the buck timewise. |
| 2010-05-02 12:50 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Great discussion on aero bars. I am loving mine, although I am just getting used to them. I had my fitter set me up in a less aggressive postion because at the time I was having difficulty with handlebar palsy and just being new to road biking, I wanted to ease into the new aero position to get used to it. Now that I am getting more comfortable in it, I will probably start tweeking my position after my race to be just a little more aggressive. Hope everyone is having a great weekend! Especially Jeremy, he had a race today, looking forward to hearing how he did. |
| 2010-05-02 1:19 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Thanks for all the aero bar advice. I'm taking Aaron and others advise to not spend any more $$$ on an aero road bike, but I did try using them on my road setup. Bob, the forearm comment was awesome. Yesterday I started my ride on a road which I rarely ride on, it's a state highway with a real shoulder. I was on it for about 12 miles. On that road, I was totally able to get aero with the forearm and not the elbow resting, using the curl advise too, and leaving the front on the large chain ring. What a difference! I think the reason I can't (or don't) use the bars on my typical rides is really due to fear and the nature of the roads. Most of my rides are on "Norman Rockwell" type country roads - absolutely no shoulder and barely wide enough for two cars. So I'm completely sharing the road with cars. Add in the potholes and rough road and sand and everything else, and I just need a LOT more handling skills than I have on aero bars. Plus with the hills I'm in both front rings too much so shifting is an issue on those roads. So, long story short, I'm planning to do some of my long rides on the state highways, and I'll keep working at using the bars whenever I can on my other rides but not worry too much about it on those rides. |
| 2010-05-02 6:25 PM in reply to: #2831406 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. mdfahy - Hope everyone is having a great weekend! Especially Jeremy, he had a race today, looking forward to hearing how he did. exactly why this is such a great group! race report up! although not much of a report. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=206098&posts=2&start=1 Overall - a great race. I was amazed at how easy I was able to up the pace throughout the race, maybe I started to slow, but it was hard to zig zag back and forth getting around people who thought they could run sub 9' miles (wave start). But, that said - I think my second half of the race was smokin fast for me, but I don't have any split data, I hit the start/stop button when I took of my zip up shirt. ~25:30 for second half. I do remember my overall pace for the first two mile splits, ~ 9:10 first mile, 9:00 second mile. My time came in at 53:04, which blows me away. I was hoping for a sub 54' race - a good goal for me since I've only ran the distance once before. I thought I would have to push it to get close to this. AG results 45/80, Overall 431/1328. It was fun being out there. Thanks to the group for the support the last 4 months - very helpful in getting my run tip top! Edited by barelfly 2010-05-02 9:21 PM |
| 2010-05-03 3:47 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. so I think most of us have had some type of race during the last four months. And if I remember correctly, our biggest supporter hasn't! But that changes this Sunday! So, this week it's all you Jennifer! Everyone has received great support from you, so now it's time to give back! ROCK IT THIS WEEKEND!!!!!!!! |
| 2010-05-03 5:02 PM in reply to: #2834177 |
Master 1736 Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. barelfly - 2010-05-03 4:47 AM Everyone has received great support from you, so now it's time to give back! Thank you...this is my first race of the year. It's funny...I had no intention of running a half marathon in the spring. I had toyed with the idea of running one in the fall - once tri season was over...but seeing all of you preparing for your races and having a specific goal really got me going - so it is truly thanks to you all that I even entered. I never thought I would enjoy the training as much as I have, and I certainly didn't expect to improve my pace as much as I have. I feel like all the work up to the race has been such fun that the race is just the icing on the cake (that - and the fact I get to spend a weekend with my sister and my husband without kids!). Thanks again...I am trying really hard to taper - but old habits die hard. |
| 2010-05-03 6:45 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Spend the week tapering hard Jennifer. You've come too far. Kill it, you are ready. |
| 2010-05-04 2:09 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Jennifer, don't do anything at least the last two days before your race. WahooOOOOOO!!! GO Jennifer!! ROCK IT!!! |
| 2010-05-04 9:06 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 526 Richmond | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. May the wind always be at your back Jennifer! |
| 2010-05-05 1:03 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 286 Orange, CA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Go get those miles, Jennifer...you're totally ready! |
| 2010-05-05 10:06 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Follow the plan. Get those legs moving a bit the day before and then rest them. |
| 2010-05-05 11:57 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Jennifer... you are the wind beneath our wings! OK... that was just plain stupid. GO KICK A LITTLE @$$! |
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