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 2005-11-29 1:48 PM in reply to: #293865 |
Expert  1152    wrightsville beach, North Carolina |  Subject: RE: Time for something new...ChipmunkHeart - 2005-11-29 11:36 AM Everyone should def. rent the movie/documentary "Touching the Void". It's like "Into the Thin Air", only way, way better. Christmas in my family was always considered to be a celebration of family and the spirit of giving. Nothern Italy rocks. I have a date for my heart surgery: Dec. 16th. A new heart for a christmas present to me! Best wishes on the surgery. What are you going to do with the old one??  |
| 2005-11-29 1:50 PM in reply to: #294101 |
Giver 18427  | Subject: RE: Time for something new... c2fd - 2005-11-29 1:48 PM Best wishes on the surgery. What are you going to do with the old one?? She's giving it to me to add to my collection. |
| 2005-11-29 1:53 PM in reply to: #294098 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... golfinggods - 2005-11-29 1:47 PM I grew up in a Catholic/Church of Christ. I went to Catholic school until 4th grade and public the rest. My grand parents were not fond of each others in laws because they both thought the other was going to hell...lol
When I met my exhusband's granny, she told me that she really liked her neighbors of 60 years but that she worried that they would go to hell because they weren't saved. Then she asked me if she thought they would end up in hell. I answered "I would never try to second-guess what God has planned for your neighbors." She giggled a small, embarassed giggle and agreed that we shouldn't try to second-guess God. |
| 2005-11-29 1:53 PM in reply to: #294105 |
Master 2052 Colorado | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Oh, Jim, stop playing around with my heart. Damn. I slay me. run4yrlif - 2005-11-29 2:50 PM c2fd - 2005-11-29 1:48 PM Best wishes on the surgery. What are you going to do with the old one?? She's giving it to me to add to my collection. |
| 2005-11-29 1:53 PM in reply to: #294105 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Ahhh Jim's string of broken and damaged hearts run4yrlif - 2005-11-29 1:50 PM c2fd - 2005-11-29 1:48 PM Best wishes on the surgery. What are you going to do with the old one?? She's giving it to me to add to my collection. |
| 2005-11-29 1:54 PM in reply to: #294105 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Ahhh Jim's string of broken and damaged hearts run4yrlif - 2005-11-29 1:50 PM c2fd - 2005-11-29 1:48 PM Best wishes on the surgery. What are you going to do with the old one?? She's giving it to me to add to my collection. |
| 2005-11-29 1:54 PM in reply to: #294114 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Exactly... golfinggods - 2005-11-29 1:53 PM Ahhh Jim's string of broken and damaged hearts run4yrlif - 2005-11-29 1:50 PM c2fd - 2005-11-29 1:48 PM Best wishes on the surgery. What are you going to do with the old one?? She's giving it to me to add to my collection. |
| 2005-11-29 2:03 PM in reply to: #294096 |
Elite 2673 Muskego, WI | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Renee - 2005-11-29 1:43 PM feigned incompetency! What does feigned mean? It's probably not worth the aggravation to explain it to me. You just go about your business and I'll sit here and watch football. |
| 2005-11-29 2:04 PM in reply to: #294133 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... I thought she said feigned impotency. And that's different, entirely morey1 - 2005-11-29 2:03 PM Renee - 2005-11-29 1:43 PMfeigned incompetency! What does feigned mean? It's probably not worth the aggravation to explain it to me. You just go about your business and I'll sit here and watch football. |
| 2005-11-29 4:15 PM in reply to: #293973 |
Master 2278 State of Confusion | Subject: RE: Time for something new... ChipmunkHeart - 2005-11-29 12:02 PM morey1 - 2005-11-29 12:37 PM Ditto what Opus just said. You were short, so I assumed most regulars knew what you were referring to. Hey, I'm 5'7. That's not short! Oh, I slay me. Annnnyway, yeah, sorry, I guess I just didn't want to bore those who already knew the details. The short version: My heart beats too quickly, due to an extra pathway in there that extra heartbeats get caught in. (that's quite possibly the worst explanation for it ever. I apologize!) During any given run -- even an 11 minute mile run-- I average a 190 HR. Occasionally I'll wake up with a resting HR of 180; with meds this is all controlled, but exercise and activity bring out the worst.* The surgery (which is more of procedure, really) goes in and burns off the extra pathway so that the extra heartbeats don't get stuck in there and spark a massive beating frenzy that often leads to throwing up, dizziness, fainting, or only sleeping 3 hours a night. So, I'm super stoked. If it works, I will have saved myself 50-60 years of medicine and all their wonderful side effects. And, I'll be able to run intervals, and get faster, and not die in the process. It's gonna be awesome! This Thanksgiving, I'm thankful for modern medicine. *Actually, binge drinking brings out the worst. But, strangly, my doctor doesn't so much think that is a problem. Wow! I haven't been around long enough to know the story so thanks for sharing. And of course now I get your screen name. Best of skill (I hate to say 'luck') on your surgery! Prayers abound for a fast and successful recovery! |
| 2005-11-29 4:24 PM in reply to: #293994 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Time for something new... run4yrlif - 2005-11-29 1:13 PM A band...with an insurance package? That's not very rock 'n' roll. Fascist. possum - 2005-11-29 12:11 PMbc as Meatloaf said, I would do anything for love, but I won;t do that.or something. fun hijacking fact du jour. Meat loaf is a client of my dad's. Yup, my father is his insurance agent and helped put together the beneift packages for his band....back in the day... Back in the 80's my cover bar band had everyone on salary and we offered BC/BS. You can have the rock and roll, I'll take the 80% coverage with a $1500 out of pocket max. |
| 2005-11-29 4:37 PM in reply to: #293816 |
Master 1932 Savannah, | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Last Tuesday I ran over my own dog. She's fine, un-freakin-believeable. I didn't just bump her, I RAN over her like a speed bump. She only weighs 20 lbs and is a mutt terrier mix from the pound. Man those orphan dogs are tough. |
| 2005-11-29 5:01 PM in reply to: #293858 |
Master 2288 Katy, TX (West of Houston) | Subject: RE: Time for something new... oipolloi - 2005-11-29 9:27 AM morey1 - 2005-11-29 10:18 AM oipolloi - 2005-11-29 10:10 AM I am Catholic and some of the greatest moments of my young children involved us having Santa pop in on X-Mas eve and give my kids a present. Their reaction was priceless, and is something they will remember forever. Kids also sing in choir on x-mas eve mass, buy and wrap presents for charity, set up a nativity scene with me, etc. Kids can handle both, IMHO. Here's a topic recently discussed within my family. Should Christian parents allow their children to believe in Santa Clause? I'm not a holy-roller by no means, but if I had children, which I don't, I would not trick them into believeing in Santa Clause. Christmas should be about Christ, not some bearded fat guy in a red suit. Now talk amongst yourselves.... Ask your kids this question: What is the meaning of Christmas? If they answer "Presents...Toys...or Santa & Rudolph" then I think there needs to be a change. If you ask my kids what is the meaning of Christmas, they usually say: "Christmas is Jesus’ birthday.......and WE get the presents!!!!!" No change needed. EDIT* I prolly should have read the next 2 pages before posting, but this is a hot topic in my house. Edited by Freeswimmingfish 2005-11-29 5:06 PM |
| 2005-11-29 7:57 PM in reply to: #294047 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Renee - 2005-11-29 2:00 PM Ultimately, your children's spirituality will be a matter for them to develop and pursue. You and your wife do much to show them the merits of your respective beliefs - you can try to mold and form them while they are yet children - but, ultimately, their spiritual life is a path that they must choose for themselves. Sure, of course. Still, I worry. It's my biggest worry. We've got four boys, two fifteen year old step-brothers and, the second crop, a three year old and six month old. My step-son's father is also a Quaker. So my step-son seems religiously integrated. When asked he responds without hesitation, "I'm a Quaker". Of course, he may change as he goes through life. But in a very basic way, he knows who he is in this regard. My eldest's son's mom was a Presbyterian and is now a Buddist. When asked, my son will say that he is Catholic. That's mostly because the only church he's known is the Catholic church. But he hasn't received any sacrament except baptism. His knowledge of what it means to be Catholic is limited. His mother did not give her consent to allow me to have him study and receive the sacraments of confession and communion. I honored her wishes. Many Quakers consider themselves to be Christian, but do not believe in baptism. Tricky one there. We had our three year old baptised when he was a baby and I just got the go ahead to baptise our new baby. So with the first little one, and soon with the second, we'll do M&M, Mass and Meeting. (meeting is the Quaker term for a worship service) The problems come up as we move on to other Catholic concepts, the trinity, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the human trait of sinning and the need for confession. These are kinda big deals when, from a Quaker perspective, there is no need to set aside particular sacraments at all. And all of this confusion stems from the beginning of our marriage in the first place. At the time, while I was devoutly Catholic (it was one of the first things I told her, figured I'd get it right out there) I was more of a liberal heterodox Catholic. Didn't think that silly things like annulments and marriage within the Church, which requires that any children that come from the marriage be raised Catholic, was necessary. I don't think those things are so silly anymore. Now as I've come to know and understand the wisdom of the teachings of the Church, and have become orthodox, I realize that they have it right as to the problems that can arise if children are raised in a dual faith family. We're working it, but it's tough. Edited by dontracy 2005-11-29 7:59 PM |
| 2005-11-29 9:23 PM in reply to: #293816 |
Wife, Mother, Friend. 2457 South | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Since I was at work today and running all over the freakin' hospital..... and am now playing catch up on BT... I hate the Christmas Commercialism too. I have moved 700 miles away from my family and Christmas was a great time (well, like we needed an excuse to have a great time). DH's family is the type who gets together at funerals and weddings. So it's just us pretty much most of the time. And of course I get all depressed and moody around the holidays cause, nobody's baking with me, nobody's shopping with me, ahh stop the damn pity party!! We have friends who celebrate Christmas by having a Birthday Cake for Jesus, complete with cake and singing. Yeah, the tree and presents too, but not to extremes. We have a "flameless" Advent Candle made out of tempra paint and toilet paper rolls and tissue paper. |
| 2005-11-29 11:10 PM in reply to: #293825 |
Champion 7558 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Time for something new... oipolloi - 2005-11-29 10:10 AM Here's a topic recently discussed within my family. Should Christian parents allow their children to believe in Santa Clause? I'm not a holy-roller by no means, but if I had children, which I don't, I would not trick them into believeing in Santa Clause. Christmas should be about Christ, not some bearded fat guy in a red suit. Now talk amongst yourselves.... We've encouraged a belief in Santa (and the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy) that seems to have worked. Santa is part (really a bit part) of Christmas. When the kids were really young, he had all of the advertised magical powers. In our house, they never "saw" Santa, but he left the things in the stockings. As they got older and "wiser" we'd have some discussion with them about what Santa is (the spirit of giving gifts). Since Santa wasn't bringing the biggest and best gifts of the season, it wasn't a huge disappointment when they finally realized "the truth." We also admonished them that public announcements about the non-exististance of such a person would result in them not getting anything from the non-existant jolly-old-elf. (We didn't want them to ruin the experience for their younger siblings/cousins or schoolmates.) They are now old enough (18, 15, 12, 12) to understand why it may be important for younger people to want to believe in Santa and to respect the role Santa plays in other families, even if that is different than their own experience or belief. |
| 2005-11-30 10:53 AM in reply to: #293973 |
Elite 2515 Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea | Subject: RE: Time for something new... ChipmunkHeart - 2005-11-29 12:02 PM The short version: My heart beats too quickly, due to an extra pathway in there that extra heartbeats get caught in. (that's quite possibly the worst explanation for it ever. I apologize!) During any given run -- even an 11 minute mile run-- I average a 190 HR. Occasionally I'll wake up with a resting HR of 180; with meds this is all controlled, but exercise and activity bring out the worst.* The surgery (which is more of procedure, really) goes in and burns off the extra pathway so that the extra heartbeats don't get stuck in there and spark a massive beating frenzy that often leads to throwing up, dizziness, fainting, or only sleeping 3 hours a night. So, I'm super stoked. If it works, I will have saved myself 50-60 years of medicine and all their wonderful side effects. And, I'll be able to run intervals, and get faster, and not die in the process. It's gonna be awesome! Cardiac Ablation, Chippy? I know a couple of people who've had that done. One young, one older. The young one's a good friend and training partner. I think he had it done pretty young and its been extremely successful. He was a serious athlete in HS and had the same experiences you describe. The older fellow is a guy I sing with. We were in rehearsal standing on the risers one night and he just keeled over into the bunch of guys standing in front of him. Thank God he fell forward as he stands in the back row. If he went backward, he'd have taken a massive header from 4 feet off the ground. Anyhow, both have had great success with this procedure and I'm certain you will, too. Best of luck to you and we'll all be thinking about you/praying for you on 12/16. Tom |
| 2005-11-30 11:24 AM in reply to: #293834 |
molto veloce mama 9311 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... morey1 - 2005-11-29 9:14 AM Into Thin Air all of krakauer's books are AWESOME! into the wild is very good, as is the newer one about a murder in utah and the history of the mormons. very good writing. |
| 2005-11-30 11:35 AM in reply to: #293816 |
Elite 2673 Muskego, WI | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Thanks Autumn...I enjoyed his writing in Into Thin Air. However, I never read the others. Given your recommendation, I'll check out his other works. And ChipmunkHeart, I put that documentary on my X-mas list. Thanks for that tip as well. I'll state this again...ALL of you should read "Becoming an Ironman". It is NOT a training book, it is a bunch of anecdotal RACE REPORTS (for lack of a better description) from Ironman finishers of all ages, abilities, backgrounds, etc. VERY GOOD READ and motivational as well. On that subject, I'll put run4yrlif on the spot and state that the book has this type of flavor to it...http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=30318&posts=30 Read the entire report by all means, but especially the run portion. The book I describe has this type of flavor to it. Powerful Stuff... |
| 2005-11-30 11:43 AM in reply to: #293825 |
molto veloce mama 9311 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... oipolloi - 2005-11-29 9:10 AM Should Christian parents allow their children to believe in Santa Clause? i see no problem with santa claus. its a tradition that goes back to gift giving by an actual saint and the celebration of christ's birth. the problem isn't santa, its our materialistic stuff-fest that's the problem (and hey, i DO like stuff, but i think that christmas should not be about the stuff). this is one we struggle with as a family, since we're more buddist/neo-pagen/unitarian types. should you even celebrate christmas at all if you are NOT a devout christian? we do, but i am constantly trying to find ways to blend christmas traditions my husband and i grew up with, with traditional solstice celebrations that are more in line with our actual beliefs, as well as other cultural traditions we'd like our children to know about (hanukkah, saturnalia, long night, rohatsu, kwanza, etc.). |
| 2005-11-30 12:03 PM in reply to: #294974 |
molto veloce mama 9311 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... from http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38 "The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in Patara, a village in what is now Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships." |
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| molto veloce mama 9311 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... Renee - 2005-11-29 9:54 AM I'd far more prefer if it were a secular blow-out/feast than putting a stamp of faith on it. If it were a secular feast I could tolerate the crassness more than the 'holy' crassness Christmas appears to be. The manner in which it is hyped/celebrated seems incongruous with the word holy (holiday). i agree completely about the over-hyped, over glittered, over-LIT holiday stuff. we're in an energy crisis and here we are lighting up manger scenes and inflatable santas? i love christmas lights, but shouldn't be there a law requiring people to switch to LEDs at this point? as for the religious masking of an overindulgence...in many cases, the celebrations and feasts have always had a religious stamp on them, it just wasn't a christian stamp. many religious holidays, like easter and christmas, are very close to the dates of traditional pagan celebrations. many of these older traditions were used and blended with christian ideas in order to convert more to the christian faith. the christian holiday of "easter" gets its name from a pagan celebration for the anglo-saxon spring goddess 'eostre'. in fact, there are some christians who choose to not celebrate these holidays because of the pagan roots. The difference between these Biblical holidays and the modern holidays celebrated today is that our modern holidays have pagan or even anti-Christian origins. Christmas and Easter began as attempts to redefine a pagan holiday with a Christian meaning, i.e., the Easter bunny, the Christmas tree, giving gifts, hunting for eggs, etc. (http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-holidays.html) so, non-christians have just as much 'right' to celebrate with a tree and a big meal on october 25th as christians do, if not more so!  still, i'd love to go back to the days when all you got for christmas was what could fit in your clog. regardless of your faith, or lack there of, the materialism and overindulgence do not reflect anything of worth, in my opinion. Edited by autumn 2005-11-30 4:16 PM |
| 2005-11-30 4:21 PM in reply to: #293950 |
| molto veloce mama 9311 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... i LOVE that book! in fact, all the books i've read by gabriel garcia marquez are awesome. |
| 2005-11-30 4:23 PM in reply to: #295444 |
| Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Time for something new... I'm sure that, throughout the centuries, holidays of all religions have been overblown and crassly celebrated by some. What's crass to me, however, might not be crass to another. Although I'm not a Christian - I don't believe in the supernatural aspects of the Christian mythology - I am a big fan of Jesus Christ and what he taught. Judge not. Love your neighbor. Don't hold grudges. He was a man of light in a dark world. Anyway, I can't help but think he would be vomiting for months if he saw everything that was said and done in his name. My way of keeping something holy, of showing reverence, is a quiet way. However, my way is not the only way and I do not begrudge others their way. I really don't want to/intend to disparage the Christmas Holiday. I find the rampant consumerism in this country vulgar. It's not really about Christmas; it's about our material culture, devoid of spiritual energy. |
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