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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Josh - I love the avatar! Where'd you get that? And I can see the chart now. Total mileage/yards for the year seem pretty good for your first IM. Before my IM, I kept seeing and hearing people say that one of the key lessons learned is that they would have biked more before their IM. After my IM, I knew exactly what they were talking about |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Will, I'm with you on being flexible in regards to your training plan. I think it's really important to have one, so you have some type of plan to get in the workouts and miles needed; but you can't freak out about missing a workout or two; just keep plugging away. There's a reason that the IM champs tend to be a little bit older - it takes years of training to get that fast. What you do on a particular day isn't going to make or break you. And ultimately, if you get injured or just sick of the training, you could end up not doing anything! How'd masters go? Is it a good group for triathletes? Did you grab anybody by the ankles and swim by just to simulate a tri? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Baowulf - how'd that bike fit work out for you? Might take a little while for your body to adjust to the new position, and it sounds like you had a lot of adjustments!
Happy New Year everyone! Looking forward to a great (and very busy) 2009. Thanks for participating in our little group, it's always fun to talk triathlon with some fellow psychos |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Woot, gogo bike fit! So I duplicated exactly the bike ride from 3 days ago of 32.53 miles (give or take stoplights which were about the same each day, perhapse a touch worse today) and finished the ride 12 minutes sooner or just over 2 mph faster with the new bike fit. Like wow. I ended up at just under a 20 mph pace with maybe 20 stoplights to keep the speed down a bit. K ya I know the first thing folks say is get a good bike fit, I have read that many times... and well there just aren't that many good bike fitters within 300 miles of my house. So I found one while on vacation this year and man.... That might have made a 20 min + difference on my HIM this year. The power difference was noticeable. The only musculature things were that the arm position made my forearms slightly more uncomfortable after a while and a slight tension just below my shoulderblades where he said my back should be flatter. I'll touch base with the guy on Friday and see if that makes sense and will get better based on the changes. Oh well after lunch its off to the beach with the kids. Who has bets on how many of my kids actually swim in the 50 F water with 60 F air temp? |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If they are like my boys, they will be in the water before they realize how cold it is, then come running back, totally shocked, that they are freezing cold. You have inspired me to get my bike fit, that is an amazing difference. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() HAPPY NEW YEAR!! I was the only person at the swim club last night. I kept the teacher busy for 20 or so minutes before it became apparent I had enough to work on and she took off leaving me all alone in the pool with a life gaurd yelling at me. "Point your toes!" Nice lady, though. She and the other coaches should help a lot. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Wow, those are some amazing results from a bike fit! 50 degree water is just waaayyyyy too cold for me... I like it more around 80. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've been using Hammer Nutrition products for 3 years now, especially on long distance biking. I'm using it more now and am expanding the products that I do use. One of the most important is the HEED during my workouts and Recoverite for after. I won't go into lengthy discussion about the products but I do recommend you visit the website. It is one of the best/informative sites I have ever seen. www.hammernutrition.com And I do recommend using their stuff! If you do, tell them I sent you!!...Tom |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks JD...I have been slacking a bit on the cycling due to weather and time commitments. I'm putting my focus on swimming and strength training these last 2 months. I'll be getting out on the bike more in Feb and will be plenty ready for the 1/2 IM. My plan on running was actually to start some speed/interval training the first of this month. I'll use the tm on Friday and then hope to get back outside next week as the weather warms up a bit and dries up. I don't have a HR monitor but I do have a GPS I can track my speed and distance, etc. I'll also increase my mileage to what you suggest, and increase more thru/out the month. Last Monday I made the 2000yd mark in swimming and will do that 3x/week and work up to 2500. My swim goal is to do the 1.2 mile in 50-60 minutes. Right now the mile is taking me 60 minutes. My bike goal is 2.5hrs. My run goal is 2hrs. If I can finish in 6hrs or less I will be very satisfied. My plan for Feb is to start the free Beginner 1/2IM training plan from this web site. Thanks for you advice and Happy New Year!!..Tom |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've been using Hammer Nutrition products for 3 years now, especially on long distance biking. I'm using it more now and am expanding the products that I do use. One of the most important is the HEED during my workouts and Recoverite for after. I won't go into lengthy discussion about the products but I do recommend you visit the website. It is one of the best/informative sites I have ever seen. www.hammernutrition.com And I do recommend using their stuff! If you do, tell them I sent you!!...Tom Sorry I posted this twice. I wanted to make sure you saw it and I actually responded to the wrong post earlier. |
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New user![]() | ![]() New Years Eve...I went to cancel the membership at Curves... They were closed. This is the part that bothers me...they closed 5days before Christmas/etc. It's not really training there anyhow...but, for the members..their hours suck. Next I went to the YMCA...they were open...They were closing early though so I was able to squeeze swimming, elliptical, and some ti chi class...which wasn't a work out but, they asked if I'd try it. I am hoping to start adding some rowing soon since that is part of the training I need. Today all is closed...I need to save up for a training bike/elliptical/treadmill, something... I need to go cheaper for now...anyone have ways to work out at home without equiptment? I know the wii has a running program and I did do that. Well, that's the end of the beginner lol I hear your workouts and I know I have a long way to go. |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hi All, Hope the weekend training is going well. My old marathon group called me up, and I ended up doing a 10 mile run with them the other day. I haven't been going long lately, so it was a tough run, but good to get some miles in again. Jumped back into the biking this morning, and did a nice 2 hour ride. I am wishing I got a tri bike now, rather than a road bike. Have a good rest of the weekend, Mike. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sounds like you have a good plan and approach Tom, keep us up-to-date on how things go and any questions you have. I do have one question for you, which is if you have a couple shorter tri's planned before you do the 1/2 IM? Apologies if this is already covered somewhere in the thread... There's a lot to get down in terms of mass swim starts, transitions, pacing, etc; and a couple shorter triathlons are a good place to learn that. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Shawna - I love your attitude! You are going to find somewhere to workout and something to do no matter what... that is great! And everything you are doing is helpful, it's all about being active; so you're on the right track. I don't have much in the way of home workouts that are tri-related without some type of eqpt; but the cheapest thing I can think of that comes close would be to pick up a used bike trainer - whatever you can find cheap on craigslist, etc (less than $100). If you just want to work out and be active, get cardio, etc.: some good things to do in the house are lunges, push-ups, sit-ups, jump-rope, jumping jacks, etc. I'm not being very creative, we'll see what the others come up with |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey Mike; 10 mile run and 2 hour bike ride sounds like the new year is off to a good start... Why the concern over the road bike? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JD...I have 2 Olympic Tri's scheduled...1 in April, 1 in May, and a 1/2Mari in May. The 1/2 IM is in June. BTW...I found a Garmin Forerunner 50 HRM for $40 (1/2 price). I'm anxious to start using it next week.......Tom
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JD, Since we're on the subject of racing before the big event, I've got a question about running non-priority races. Everything I read says don't go as hard as you can in the 'B' and 'C' priority races. Does anyone have any experience racing without racing? What did you use as a marker? I imagine the HRM is a good place to start, but what are you aiming for? I've got a few lined up to get ready for the HIM and tinman I'm really aiming for, but I've never raced without going hard and I could use some tips. Shawna, nice work on the upgrade from Curves!! Will |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I thougt I was saving money and doing the smarter thing, as everyone I talked to said you don't want to train on a tri bike, but now that my HIM race is looming (April 4th IM California 70.3) I am wishing I had bought a tri bike. I want to go as fast as possible, and that means a tri bike. I am sure I will be fine, but probably just finding things to worry about at this point. |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I also wanted to ask about this, I have a HM this month, January 25th, and my A race isn't until April 4th. I would think I would be okay to go pretty hard, but what do you think? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mtnbkr - 2009-01-03 11:47 PM JD...I have 2 Olympic Tri's scheduled...1 in April, 1 in May, and a 1/2Mari in May. The 1/2 IM is in June. BTW...I found a Garmin Forerunner 50 HRM for $40 (1/2 price). I'm anxious to start using it next week.......Tom Great, you'll have a couple chances to try out your race day tactics. How close together are the 1/2 mary and the 1/2 IM? HRM will be interesting; we should get some dialog going here in the next couple weeks on how people use their HRM's, etc. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OK, so on the subject of A,B,C races... the answer, unfortunately, is that it depends Another piece of the puzzle that you need to consider is the effect that doing the race has on your training plan. That is where you need to consider doing less tapering on the front end of the "lesser" races; which means that you might not have your absolute best race (which is OK, that's why we call it a B or C race). And you may not want to go full out if you're recovery time from that effort causes you to miss too much training time for your A race. Quick examples: If I'm doing an Olympic in mid-summer; while training for a full IM in November - I have no problem going all out. I won't do a big taper, and then I'll just take a day or two off after the race and jump back into training. If I'm doing a Half IM 6 weeks out from my full IM; then I'm going to really pace myself on the run so I don't burn myself out and miss that key training time. In terms of how to pace, just know what you can do and be realistic. If you normally would run an 8:00 min mile going full out; then shoot for 8:15 or even 8:30. HRM can be useful, but use it as additional information; not the absolute final word on your pacing. If that leaves you with more questions, ask away... this is good discussion! |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() That's helpful info about tapering and recovering. What goals do you set for your B and C races? I know I need to continue to work on my overall mental state (not panicking) and positioning (trying to latch onto someone's feet) during the swim as well as the transitions; so I'll be working on those. Any other thoughts? What about fitness? Do you use those as 'breakthrough workouts' or general fitness? Thanks Will Edited by triscruggs 2009-01-04 7:41 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Pac10er2 - 2009-01-04 9:57 AM I thougt I was saving money and doing the smarter thing, as everyone I talked to said you don't want to train on a tri bike, but now that my HIM race is looming (April 4th IM California 70.3) I am wishing I had bought a tri bike. I want to go as fast as possible, and that means a tri bike. I am sure I will be fine, but probably just finding things to worry about at this point. That's one thing great about this sport... there's *always* something to worry about |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() triscruggs - 2009-01-04 2:49 PM That's helpful info about tapering and recovering. What goals do you set for your B and C races? I know I need to continue to work on my overall mental state (not panicking) and positioning (trying to latch onto someone's feet) during the swim as well as the transitions; so I'll be working on those. Any other thoughts? What about fitness? Do you use those as 'breakthrough workouts' or general fitness? Thanks Will Once I plan on doing a race, I usually go into it trying to do the best I can; unless it is close enough to a more important race that I'm afraid I won't recover in time (but I try to avoid that in the first place). I do look for things to focus on, like you mentioned. First race of the season I usually get reminded of just how fast "race pace" really is. I did a race before my IM that was the first of the year with a wetsuit; so I paid a lot of attention to how that went, time to get it stripped, etc. Had an olympic tri with a fairly flat bike course, so I decided to test how close to full out I could go on the bike and see what happened on the run. That would not have been smart in an A race; but for that particular race it gave me some great feedback (ended up running very well, but I knew I'd have to back it down a couple notches for a half IM). It's like any workout you do; think about what it is you are trying to get out of it, and what is it going to take for that to happen. I found this thread where there were some good tips for OWS relaxation, including a couple from me. The most important advice in there (for me) is to control the start. If you can start off smooth and under control, everything from there is cake. Great idea to work on that during your B and C races. Basically, just look at each of those B/C races and see what about those lends itself to working on something that is important to you, what is unique about that race. JD
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bah my 2nd bad pair of shoes out of the box. Asics gt2130. I have purchsed 6 pair of these, the first 3 were fine and then 2 of the last 3 were defective out of the box. The bad pair make my left foot go numb within 1 mile. I do 20 miles on the same brand on a non-defective pair with no problems. I guess I will call them next week and see what their cr says. It sucks to buy a $100 and have it be defective in function, but not visibly defective by looking at it. Oh well, that was going to be my marathon pair of shoes, sigh. Oh ya and back at elevation, 12 mile run sucked with the shoe issue and thin air. Off for ice bath. |
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