Why does abortion scare so many in the US? (Page 4)

depends on who's doing the deciding...

that's what I thought...

that's what I mean by "some level" but no matter who you ask I think most everyone would agree that each of the criteria are met...

Unbelievably heart wrenching story... much respect for both the decision "to stay" and to the "enough is enough".

Lisa, by my understanding most commonly prescribed birth control pills do have a tertiary abortifacient mechanism built in.

Again by my understanding, this was done because the early formulations held a higher risk for cancer. By lowering the dosage of one drug, the cancer risk was reduced but the probability of conception increased. Therefore, the abortifacient mechanism needed to be added in.

If anyone is concerned about using the pill if it has an abortifacient mechanism, just read the fine print that comes with the prescription. It should tell you there. Or just google it. Plenty of information out there.

woooooooaaaaaahh

you're saying what? you consider that an abortion? an abortion begins when a fertilized egg is removed intentionally. an egg is an egg and a sperm is a sperm until they become fertilized.

Ross, i would say conception is the start and that an egg and sperm are just cells...i'd hate to think that 250M people are dying every time somebody has pizza...little floating corpses

Actually, the estimate is about 250 million conceived human beings in the US since the introduction of the oral contraceptive in the early 60's.  These deaths have come from the abortifacient mechanism built into common birth control pills.

From http://health.rutgers.edu/discussions/sex/preg&birthcon/thepill.asp

Did I say that???

Please. Don't put words into my mouth. Just stating some facts for the conversation.

The pill stops ovulation it does not induce abortion so unless you are referring to the morning after pill there were no deaths. 

Next question does that mean having an IUD is murder?

That's the abortifacient mechanism.

Primary mechanism is control of ovulation.

Secondary is change in mucous preventing conception.

Tertiary is rejection of the fertilized egg if conception takes place

The IUD is also believed to have at least a tertiary abortifacient effect.

Yes, for those that believe pregnancy/life begins BEFORE implantation.

And now for something completely different:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

morning after pill is NOT the same as the "abortion pill"

if fertilization occurs, morning after pill has zero effect.  it is just a high dose of normal BC hormones.

One's beliefs should not impact scientific fact. It's a fact of biology that human life begins at conception, not implantation.

It's not hypothetical. Just look at the quote that Lisa posted. It's right there.

It is not unimportant to someone who does not want to kill their offspring. 

The 250 million deaths is an estimate, but probably a pretty good one.  I wasn't talking about the morning after pill, just your regular run of the mill birth control pill.

There is a tertiary abortifacient mechanism built into the pill. And it can cause a fertilized egg, a human being, to be rejected by the mother's uterus should conception occur.

That's just a fact. Do with it what you will. 

Rosie O'Donnell, welcome to BT!

Wow, whoda thunk knew this thread would go crazy????

me.... ten foot pole..... not a chance

Now there's a great question.

Just to add one more thing to the mix.

Carl Djerassi , the chemist who was the primary developer of the oral contraceptive, now says that his invention, the pill, has become a "demographic catastrophe".

As reported in the UK Guardian :

Djerassi outlined the "horror scenario" that occurred because of the population imbalance, for which his invention was partly to blame. He said that in most of Europe there was now "no connection at all between sexuality and reproduction". He said: "This divide in Catholic Austria, a country which has on average 1.4 children per family, is now complete."

He described families who had decided against reproduction as "wanting to enjoy their schnitzels while leaving the rest of the world to get on with it".

And just one more tid bit about the pill, as reported by ABC News :

In a study of about 100 college students in the U.K., scientists found that the pill may change how women find a man's scent sexually attractive.

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Since the late 1990s, research has shown that women find the scent of a man more attractive if he has MHC genes that are different from their own, and less attractive if he has similar MHC genes.

But that all may change two months after a woman goes on the pill.

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For example, "They may choose someone they may not choose otherwise," he said. In theory, Roberts said a woman may choose a man while she's on the pill and feel fine, but subconsciously find her mate less attractive if she goes off the pill. 

"There is evidence that couples that are more MCH similar to each other have more difficulty conceiving, and they have more miscarriages," added Roberts, who has also cited research that women who marry men with similar MCH genes are more likely to have an affair. 

 

Well obviously, a lot of people don't believe human life begins at conception. Otherwise there would be no debate.