Death Penatly and Mental Illness (Page 4)
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Goosedog - 2012-06-20 10:11 AM TriRSquared - 2012-06-20 10:06 AM 6. When there is 100% conclusive evidence that a person committed a crime that person is sentenced w/o a jury trial. (e.g. video evidence of crime being committed, admission of guilt etc..) I have a blanket policy against amending the Constitution to deprive people of rights. At least I think I do. Totally agree on the petty drug crimes. Perhaps non-jury trial is the wrong phrase as you are right, it is a Constitutional right. Better phrasing might be a streamlined jury trial. We waste lots of $ and time convicting people who are obviously guilty (mountains of evidence) but the lawyers try to get them off on a minor technicality. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-06-20 9:27 AM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-06-19 4:58 PM BigDH - 2012-06-19 2:58 PM If you feel dissonance about the prospect of killing a now mentally ill criminal you are detecting a whiff of what drives those that are against capital punishment. If you are suggesting you kill even if he is now mentally ill, where is the deterrence there? The point is he wasn't mentally ill when he committed the crime and got sentenced to death. What difference does it make now that he is? Those that are willing to live a life of crime, or even psychopaths already do not connect action with consequence. It never was, or ever will be a deterrence. There are those that feel the death penalty is a fitting sentence for some crimes and right now that is just the way it is.
Personally, the subject has always tripped me out. I could not imagine sitting in a cell for a few years or decades watching a clock tick. Knowing that eventually it will get to my expiration date where I will be put to death. Honestly, I find that to be a cruel and unusual punishment. My point is that they aren't that different, but to some people it may seem different because the person being executed is particularly fragile, which may seem like a silly reason not to continue with the plan. Regarding deterrence, I suppose I don't have much insight into the mind of a killer, you may be right. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-06-20 9:06 AM Left Brain - 2012-06-19 4:41 PM No, because it's always left at that....and so no improvement gets made (if, in fact, any is needed). You said we should strive to improve the justice system. How? I'm not trying to be difficult....I end up having this discussion all the time with people. I'd like to hear what you think is wrong and how it should be improved. Just a few ways... 1. Judges should have term limits. In our state they have a job until people "unelect" them. On the ballot it states "Should judge X be appointed for another X year term". 99.9% of voters have NO idea who this judge is or what their record is. 2. Stop clogging our courts with petty drug charges. If we stopped spending time and money on the kids selling pot we'd have more time and money to spend on the important cases. 3. As stated before, get rid of mandatory sentences. 4. Don't treat first time offenders the same as hardened criminals. Don't let them mix. 5. Repeat offenders need to be locked up for life. There are people who have been in and out of jails their whole lives. They are not deterred by jail. So keep them there forever. It'll be cheaper in the long run. 6. When there is 100% conclusive evidence that a person committed a crime that person is sentenced w/o a jury trial. (e.g. video evidence of crime being committed, admission of guilt etc..) 7. As the Bard once said.,. "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"... Not bad, except for #6 as noted, we agree. I asked because I figured we were more like minded than we appear to be over the Death Penalty issue...and as I have said, it took me a long time to end up feeling it was wrong. As for the drug crime issue.....I taught DARE in grade schools for 3 years, worked undercover for 6 years buying/selling drugs, worked 3 years doing highway/airport drug interdiction. I now run an investigative unit that includes a drug task force. In any court I could be considered an "expert witness" to testify about drug crimes in our country. Do you want to know what I think? I think drugs should ALL be decriminalized. Laws do NOT keep people from using drugs. You won't get more heroin/crack/meth addicts if it's not illegal...because most people aren't stupid enough to use them. Marijuana being illegal is laughable. Let the "drug criminals" out of our prisons and fill them up with violent offenders....who never get out. Let's face it......the biggest drug problem in this country is prescription drugs...and we spend too much time fighting the "war on drugs".......a joke. It's a "war" about money.....on both sides. Take the money out of it and the "war" is over. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-06-20 11:28 AM Let's face it......the biggest drug problem in this country is prescription drugs...and we spend too much time fighting the "war on drugs".......a joke. It's a "war" about money.....on both sides. Take the money out of it and the "war" is over. I agree.. to an extent. I'm not too keen on making ALL drugs legal. Heroin, for example, is one that I'd prefer to keep a but more regulated. However it makes up a small percentage of the "drug" problem. Legalize pot and most of the issues would go away. As well as a good number of the murders |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriRSquared - 2012-06-20 12:17 PM Left Brain - 2012-06-20 11:28 AM Let's face it......the biggest drug problem in this country is prescription drugs...and we spend too much time fighting the "war on drugs".......a joke. It's a "war" about money.....on both sides. Take the money out of it and the "war" is over. I agree.. to an extent. I'm not too keen on making ALL drugs legal. Heroin, for example, is one that I'd prefer to keep a but more regulated. However it makes up a small percentage of the "drug" problem. Legalize pot and most of the issues would go away. As well as a good number of the murders You do realize that the only legal drug is responsible for a higher cost to society than all illegal drugs COMBINED right? How can the most destructive of drugs be legal yet others that are readily available to anyone that wants them is worse? All drugs should be legal... not because it is a great idea, but because criminalization does more harm to society by funding criminal organizations than allowing people that are already getting high to do so legally. |
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