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2012-07-27 9:43 AM
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Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 10:34 AM

It's not a political stance - maybe to you - but it's a religious and philisophical stance.

When the organizations that WinShape donate to advocate the passage of laws or amendments that prevent same-sex marriage, it most certainly is political.

 



2012-07-27 9:44 AM
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lisac957 - 2012-07-27 10:40 AM

Great point. To the boycotters: where is your scoreboard? I'd be interested to see it. Not because I'm actually interested in the data, but interested to know if you are consistent. 

You show me yours, I'll show you mine.

 

2012-07-27 9:48 AM
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lisac957 - 2012-07-27 10:40 AM
Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 8:00 AM

If you really knew the personal opinions of the leaders of your favorite companies, you would need to keep a scoreboard of where/what brands you would/would not buy.

Great point. To the boycotters: where is your scoreboard? I'd be interested to see it. Not because I'm actually interested in the data, but interested to know if you are consistent. 

I am completely inconsistent. And lazy in some ways. I didn't have to do any work to find out that CFA gave millions of dollars to organizations who have a strong bias against same sex marriages and work actively to keep loving people from getting married. My decision to not spend my money there is my little way of saying, "Not cool". If anyone has specific information that other companies are giving money to those type of organizations I'd be interested to read it, but I'm not going looking for it. I don't care that much, and I don't eat at CFA that often anyway. This will simply help reduce the number of options when trying to get several people to agree on a lunch spot.

2012-07-27 9:48 AM
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2012-07-27 9:52 AM
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After reading this I think that I will go to Chick-Fil-A for lunch today (Number 1 meal Grilled with Waffle Fries).

As others have mentioned, as long as they do not discriminate against their customers and continue to serve everyone I can care less about the opinions of their president.  

2012-07-27 9:53 AM
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antlimon166 - 2012-07-27 9:30 AM

you pretty much wrote down exactly how i feel. 

too bad he doesn't push his religious beliefs into the poultry industry?  imagine the positive impact a company like chick-fil-a could have if they pushed to improve the chicken industry like chipotle does for the pork industry. 

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion.  Likewise, I have never heard of the christian religion having any particular stance on Chickens.  I don't know that pushing their "christian religion" would improve the practices of the poultry industry. That's just one guy and one church, but opinions on animal cruelty are sparse at it pertains to Christianity, it tends to focus more on how to treat people.



2012-07-27 9:57 AM
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rick4657 - 2012-07-27 10:52 AM

After reading this I think that I will go to Chick-Fil-A for lunch today (Number 1 meal Grilled with Waffle Fries).

What a waste.

 

2012-07-27 9:58 AM
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jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

2012-07-27 9:58 AM
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jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM
antlimon166 - 2012-07-27 9:30 AM

you pretty much wrote down exactly how i feel. 

too bad he doesn't push his religious beliefs into the poultry industry?  imagine the positive impact a company like chick-fil-a could have if they pushed to improve the chicken industry like chipotle does for the pork industry. 

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion.  Likewise, I have never heard of the christian religion having any particular stance on Chickens.  I don't know that pushing their "christian religion" would improve the practices of the poultry industry. That's just one guy and one church, but opinions on animal cruelty are sparse at it pertains to Christianity, it tends to focus more on how to treat people.

giggling at the mental image of christian chickens....although maybe if you apply kosher laws you couldn't have a milkshake and a chicken sammich together (i think ... or is it just that they can't touch?).  and that would SUCK.



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2012-07-27 9:59 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.



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2012-07-27 10:01 AM
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Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?



2012-07-27 10:01 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-07-27 8:57 AM
rick4657 - 2012-07-27 10:52 AM

After reading this I think that I will go to Chick-Fil-A for lunch today (Number 1 meal Grilled with Waffle Fries).

What a waste.

 

Okay, Ill go with the deep fried Original.

2012-07-27 10:02 AM
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rick4657 - 2012-07-27 11:01 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 8:57 AM
rick4657 - 2012-07-27 10:52 AM

After reading this I think that I will go to Chick-Fil-A for lunch today (Number 1 meal Grilled with Waffle Fries).

What a waste.

Okay, Ill go with the deep fried Original.

I would pair that with a nice pack, or two, of Polynesian sauce.

 

 

 

2012-07-27 10:03 AM
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mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:01 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?

Discrimination of people that don't follow your beliefs. How is it different?

2012-07-27 10:06 AM
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wgraves7582 - 2012-07-27 10:48 AM
ratherbesnowboarding - 2012-07-27 9:46 AM
Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 9:00 AM

I'm vegan, so I don't eat there.   But, there's one across the street from my house and my hubby/daughter LOVE LOVE LOVE Chick fil a.  When we had a German foreign exchange student it also became her all time favorite restaurant!

I could not care less what the opinion of the President is.  I don't even care if the company takes a traditional marriage stance (which they haven't formally).

What I would have a problem with is if they refused to serve gay couples.  They serve everybody wearing clothes.

If you really knew the personal opinions of the leaders of your favorite companies, you would need to keep a scoreboard of where/what brands you would/would not buy.

The whole thing is completely ridiculous.

Andi

Its called being an educated consumer.  Just like we want an educated electorate, people should know how and where the products they buy come from and what the company does with that money.   What Mr Cathy does on his own money is his own business.  But CFA actively supports anti-gay marriage groups as a line item charity expense.  Cathy has said that he stands by his beliefs and that is the reason for CFA's success.  Well, that should also be the cause of his failure IMO - at least it is w/ my money.  HE is the one that brought the issue to the forefront and made a political stance in the companies name.  So we are not talking just about the private beliefs of the CEO, but the stance of the company and what it supports.   (snopes

 

Would you go to a fund raiser of a political with whom you disagree with just because the chicken is good?  When a company takes a political stance, your patronage supports that stance whether you believe in it or not.  Politicians see how people view their opinions with votes.  The only way Cathy (and all companies) can see if his political stance matters is how it affects the bottom line.  

I dont need a special election - I vote w/ my money everyday.

Not that I don't agree with you but do you honestly know the moral stance of every company that you buy things from - CEO only?  And then each individual Franchisee as well because they can have different morals than the CEO and support other groups with their own donations as well?

 

No, and that is part of the point for me. Like I said earlier, all I should know is that they make delicious chicken sandwiches and they are reasonably priced. If the owner of company makes his or her political views known, then they become part of how the company wants to brand itself. And that will affect whether or not I patronize them.

Meanwhile, we at the gearboy household are still trying to figure out whether or nor the company ends up supporting anti-gay marriage initiatives, or if they are being affected by degrees of separation. In part because giving up CFA would be hard and in part out of fairness. Mrs gearboy is very active in Girl Scouts and is aware of the right's push within the last year to make claims out of the fact that some of the national board members also serve on boards for Planned Parenthood as a reason to boycott girl scout cookies. That was not a realistic "call to arms", and we are still trying to figure out if this one is or not.

2012-07-27 10:07 AM
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wgraves7582 - 2012-07-27 10:48 AM

Not that I don't agree with you but do you honestly know the moral stance of every company that you buy things from - CEO only?  And then each individual Franchisee as well because they can have different morals than the CEO and support other groups with their own donations as well?

 

 

I try.  Like I said on page 2(?) I havent been to an Exxon in 23 years.  If I find out a company (not just the CEO) takes a stand that I disagree with, then I no longer want to support that company.  Just like if a company has a business practice I agree with, then I would want to support that company.   

However, what the CEO does with his own money is his own business and not mine.  TriR linked an article that mentioned Dominos Pizza.  An investigation discovered that the CEO was a huge supporter of anti abortion groups and used his personal money and contributed to those groups - Dominos inc had a neutral stance.  Cant blame the company for what its employees do with the money they earn. 

Companies will pull their advertising if a show or broadcast goes against their morals or opinions so why is it strange that people wouldnt want to support a company that goes against theirs?



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2012-07-27 10:12 AM
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2012-07-27 10:12 AM
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Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:03 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:01 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?

Discrimination of people that don't follow your beliefs. How is it different?

Well, using your logic, isn't that what's going on here with CFA?  The CFA president believes one thing, those who don't agree are boycotting.  Aren't they "discriminating" in your eyes?  Aren't the very ones that espouse tolerance being completely intolerant of the CFA president's RELIGIOUS beliefs?  (It is a RELIGIOUS belief, not a political one to a christian.)  NOTE: I dislike the use of the word "discrimination" here.  I believe it's out of context.

The only surprising thing here is that this is news.  Imagine: a devotedly conservative, southern, Christian, closed-on-Sundays company founded by an evangelical has a President that is for traditional marriage!?  Is that really shocking?  I can't believe all the people who previously ate there and are now boycotting find this to be a surprise.

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2012-07-27 10:14 AM
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mehaner - 2012-07-27 9:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM
antlimon166 - 2012-07-27 9:30 AM

you pretty much wrote down exactly how i feel. 

too bad he doesn't push his religious beliefs into the poultry industry?  imagine the positive impact a company like chick-fil-a could have if they pushed to improve the chicken industry like chipotle does for the pork industry. 

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion.  Likewise, I have never heard of the christian religion having any particular stance on Chickens.  I don't know that pushing their "christian religion" would improve the practices of the poultry industry. That's just one guy and one church, but opinions on animal cruelty are sparse at it pertains to Christianity, it tends to focus more on how to treat people.

giggling at the mental image of christian chickens....although maybe if you apply kosher laws you couldn't have a milkshake and a chicken sammich together (i think ... or is it just that they can't touch?).  and that would SUCK.

Unless you're messianic you can't apply Kosher laws to deep southern christians.  Blasphemer!!!!!

and you're correct, you couldn't eat chicken with a milkshake.

2012-07-27 10:15 AM
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I don't eat there and I don't care who's gay and who's not.......I've got nothing.

2012-07-27 10:17 AM
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Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 11:12 AM 

Imagine: a devotedly conservative, southern, Christian, closed-on-Sundays company founded by an evangelical has a President that is for traditional marriage!?  

People keep mentioning the personal beliefs of the President.  As I understand it, this isn't the concern.  The concern is that the charitable arm of CFA, WinShape, funds groups that support initiatives to prevent same-sex marriage.

 



2012-07-27 10:18 AM
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Left Brain - 2012-07-27 11:15 AM

I don't eat there . . . .

Why do you hate Christians?

 

2012-07-27 10:19 AM
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Anditrigirl - 2012-07-27 8:12 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 11:03 AM
mehaner - 2012-07-27 8:01 AM
Big Appa - 2012-07-27 10:59 AM
Goosedog - 2012-07-27 7:58 AM
jgaither - 2012-07-27 10:53 AM

Last I checked Chipotle's position toward sourcing of it's pork products had nothing to do with anyone's religion. 

The Muslims might be offended.

 

It's ok I doubt the CEO like Muslims either.

wow.  really?

Discrimination of people that don't follow your beliefs. How is it different?

Well, using your logic, isn't that what's going on here with CFA?  The CFA president believes one thing, those who don't agree are boycotting.  Aren't they "discriminating" in your eyes?  Aren't the very ones that espouse tolerance being completely intolerant of the CFA president's RELIGIOUS beliefs?  (It is a RELIGIOUS belief, not a political one to a christian.)  NOTE: I dislike the use of the word "discrimination" here.  I believe it's out of context.

The only surprising thing here is that this is news.  Imagine: a devotedly conservative, southern, Christian, closed-on-Sundays company founded by an evangelical has a President that is for traditional marriage!?  Is that really shocking?  I can't believe all the people who previously ate there and are now boycotting find this to be a surprise.

Andi

They are a company trying to get us to spend our money. Choosing how we spend our money is what we are meant to do. It is the company’s job to get us to spend the money and they spend how much in advertising every year to do just that. So if we find a reason not to spend money there that’s fine.

My point is when people associated with a company air their personal views and they conflict with others they have the right to choose to give their money to that company or not.

2012-07-27 10:19 AM
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2012-07-27 10:20 AM
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Goosedog - 2012-07-27 10:18 AM
Left Brain - 2012-07-27 11:15 AM

I don't eat there . . . .

Why do you hate Christians?

 

ok, so this made me laugh out loud.  seriously.  My co-workers are looking at me funny now.

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