14 year old shoots intruder (Page 4)

Is is safe to assume that you are implying that guns ownership in this country is responsible for the lower percentages in those other crime statistics.  If you are, you know very well that correlation does not imply causation.

If you didnt imply that i apologize in advance

I just put some facts up, you can read into them whatevver you do or don't want. People want to compare the USA to other nations regarding our murder rate by firearms. I just put up some other statistics regarding violent crime. 

If you want to see some interesting statistics take a look at the crime rates in Australia before the gun ban and after the gun ban. I'd sincerely be interested in your opinion of the changes and why you think they occurred.

If firearms in of themselves were so dangerous, I would think that most mass shootings would happen at gun shows. Yet most happen at places where the government has made it illegal for firearms to be legally posessed.

Slight hijack.

Anyone have an update on the guy that shot the cyclist for punching him?  I'm curious what the courts have said about that case.

I read them as what they are rape and assault statistic from 4 different countries, without connection to guns.  The same way that I cannot blame guns for the homicide rate in this country that is 5.2 per 100,000 compared to 1.57 for the UK, 1.67 for Canada and even lower for Australia 1.23. (2010-2011)

 I honestly don’t have enough information to give an educated opinion about the change in crime rates in Australia.  Too many factors have to be taken into consideration (socio-economic, cultural, etc) to do that.  That is why I don’t blame our guns for a murder rate in this country that is more than 4 times higher than the one in Australia.

 I don’t have a problem at all with firearms or those that choose to use their constitutional right. 
It is a big part of this country’s history and tradition, but I do know that a better job can be done with carefully thought and implemented firearms laws to minimize the risk of incidents like this happening again while allowing citizens exercise their constitutional right.  What are those, I don’t know, I’m not an expert in this area, talk to me about Rum filtration then I can go on forever.

 Sadly, there will always be the risk of incidents like this happening.  Nothing will remove that risk
and as long as there are humans walking on this planet, there will the possibility of evil acts happening.

Looks like gun nuts advocates won't be ablet to use the (stupid) car analogy as effectively in the near future:

Deaths from firearms are set to outstrip
car fatalities for the first time, according to data from the Centers for
Disease Control and reported
by Bloomberg News.

The CDC estimates that auto-related
deaths--long on the decline as more motorists wear seat-belts and face harsher
penalties for drunk driving--will fall to 32,000 in 2015. Deaths from firearms,
which include suicides and accidents, are estimated to rise to 33,000 over the
same period.

Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead,
about 53 of them in suicides. This figure is still lower than 1993's peak in gun
deaths (37,666), but has risen significantly since firearm deaths reached a low 
in 2000 (28,393). The data goes back to 1979.

Meanwhile, USA
Today, which looked at FBI figures, reports that 774 people were killed between
2006 and 2010 by a mass killer, defined as a person who kills four or more
people in one incident. The figures show that mass killers strike on average
once every two weeks. A third of the 156 mass killings did not involve firearms,
but rather fire, knife or other weapon. Almost all of the mass killers in those
years were men, and their average age was 32. The dozens of deaths caused by
mass killers represented about 1 percent of all homicides between 2006 and
2010.

So once you get the gun ban you want you will then go after pills and rope so no one can kill themselves with those? How bout kitchen knives, or toasters and bath tubs? Sorry but you don't get to include suicide in a real debate on this topic. If someone wants to kill themself they are gonna do it. I guess they could just start driving their cars into walls or oncoming traffic, that would reduce the gun deaths and increase the car deaths. 

(Insert snarky comment in response to your (stupid) comments.)

Don't cross out nuts... just stand by what you say instead of the cute strike through.

And it isn't the gun nuts that bring up the car analogy ad nauseum... gun control nuts are quite good at it themselves to justify regulation. I'm not sure you realize this... but you just used cars to justify your position on guns... or at least you agree with the article that did.

I simply do not believe your numbers. Other sources do not have the same "mass killings" so I do not know what their definition is other than "4" people.

There are roughly the same number of people killed each year from DUI as there are from murder.. .~10,000

Roughly half of all gun deaths are suicide. the CDC puts accidental shootings at 850.

850 gun death accidents. 20,000 car death "accidents". ~10,000 gun murders are unacceptable to you... then I would think 10,000 DUI manslaughters would warrant the same attention. Blow and go devices should be mandatory in ever vehicle because the public can not be trusted to do the right thing, so the government must save us from our selves. Because even with all the safety measures and tougher laws... 10,000 people die every year from DUI just so regular folks can still go out and enjoy getting plowed in public.... by guess is probably 20 or so of those 10,000 were children under 10.

Just a thought.  If you equate advocates to "nuts" in your opening statement, any argument after that (no matter how accurate and reasonable) is either going to be ignored or not considered.

Having a civil discussion and possible collaboration is difficult when the first thing you do is call names.

But if that's how you roll.

All these gun threads are all mixed up and mashed together anyway, so I didn't think it really mattered which thread I posted the article to.  I just used the one closest to the top.  The strike-through was purely a joke.