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 2012-12-27 2:43 PM in reply to: #4550253 |
Champion  7821     Brooklyn, NY |  Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introducedpowerman - 2012-12-27 2:09 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:00 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:48 PM You’re probably right, and I know it’s not exactly apples and oranges, but I bet if you had told people in the 40’s and 50’s that, in the late 70’s and 80’s there would be a huge backlash against smoking, so much so that smoking would be virtually nonexistent by comparison twenty years later, people wouldn’t have believed you. I think that as the population of this country continues to gravitate towards major cities, which tend to have more stringent gun laws and, more importantly, where hunting and recreational shooting is less a part of daily life, that you’ll see a sharp decrease in the number of Americans who feel as strongly about gun ownership as you do. ETA, I also think that the degree to which each successive generation becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy that comes from our increasingly “connected” existence means that you will see the concerns about national registries and more stringent licensing requirements lessen as well. For better or worse, people aren’t as worried about government intrusion into their lives as they probably were a generation ago. If they were, they wouldn’t all be carrying cell phones with trackable GPS chips in them and posting every trivial moment of their lives on facebook. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:13 PM Right, because when I come to COJ, I expect it to be productive. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:12 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:10 PM Yes, yes, we've covered that. As long as everyone realizes that nothing proposed here or in the new law is going to have a single effect on the murder rate in this country I'm good with the discussion. But if there is anyone who thinks this will make a difference in the number of gun murders per year....you're delusional. In fact, there a5re more guns in our society now than at any other timein our history....and gun deaths have beenin a steady decline. I know it all feels good.....but it's a MONUMENTAL waste of time, energy, and money.  Yeah, we have.....but geez, what an absolute waste this all is. No, not this that we do, of course THIS is a waste LOL ......the time and money that will spent on new laws and regulations that will not have any effect on the shootings that people think they will prevent. I'll never understand it. Good Lord.... smoking is not Constitutionaly PROTECTED! You totally missed my point. I understand they're not apples and oranges-- even said so at the beginning of my post. But a lot of the reasons that people feel so strongly against national gun registration has to do with their fear of the government intruding into their lives. My point is that as people in general becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy, I could see people becoming less concerned about national registration of guns. I don't mean to suggest that this will happen in the next six months. If you told people ten years ago that 90% of the population will be carrying around a device 24 hours a day that allows the government to precisely track their location people would have imagined some dystopian "1984" scenario. Now we just call them cell phones. |
| 2012-12-27 2:46 PM in reply to: #4550314 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced pitt83 - 2012-12-27 2:38 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 3:26 PM I am that son. I have my grandfather's heirloom guns and really want to get rid of them. I probably will within the next few weeks via a buy back scheme. Then donate the money to Newtown scholarships being established for surviving brothers and sisters of victims. My grandfather lived by the gun, my father had them, liked them and introduced me to them. I've got no want for them. From extremist to ambivalent in 2 generations.Left Brain - 2012-12-27 2:15 PM Thanks for proving my point yet again. I don't want the government to take away your guns. Times change. That's all I'm saying. Will your son feel the same way in 20 years? Will his son? Maybe, maybe not. You can beg to differ all you want....my family will always have guns. My son feels the same as I do. You can ban them if you want.....you'll never find ours. The protection was put into the Constitution for a reason. I'm good with the reason. Depending on what you have.....if you want to know they will always be kept responsibly and never used to harm anyone who isn't trying to harm us, I'll take them from you. I think old guns are cool....I think the old guys who owned them are even cooler. |
| 2012-12-27 2:49 PM in reply to: #4550333 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced Left Brain - 2012-12-27 3:46 PM pitt83 - 2012-12-27 2:38 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 3:26 PM I am that son. I have my grandfather's heirloom guns and really want to get rid of them. I probably will within the next few weeks via a buy back scheme. Then donate the money to Newtown scholarships being established for surviving brothers and sisters of victims. My grandfather lived by the gun, my father had them, liked them and introduced me to them. I've got no want for them. From extremist to ambivalent in 2 generations.Left Brain - 2012-12-27 2:15 PM Thanks for proving my point yet again. I don't want the government to take away your guns. Times change. That's all I'm saying. Will your son feel the same way in 20 years? Will his son? Maybe, maybe not. You can beg to differ all you want....my family will always have guns. My son feels the same as I do. You can ban them if you want.....you'll never find ours. The protection was put into the Constitution for a reason. I'm good with the reason. Depending on what you have.....if you want to know they will always be kept responsibly and never used to harm anyone who isn't trying to harm us, I'll take them from you. I think old guns are cool....I think the old guys who owned them are even cooler. The best of the lot is a 30-30 lever action Marlin. Super accurate even with iron sights. I was good with it when I was younger. Also have a boot action 16ga shotgun. I've never seen another bolt action shotgun. |
| 2012-12-27 2:54 PM in reply to: #4550339 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced I traded a lever action Marlin 30-30 to my dad for my Grandpa's M1 carbine. It was my dad's way of passing it down while still getting something for it. LOL I have a 10ga. bolt action shotgun.....it's a Marlin Super Goose model.....pretty cool old gun. I've never seen a bolt action 16ga......that'd be interesting to have. If your gun buyback thing doesn't work out let me know......I'm headed your way in a few months and I'd buy them from you.....of course, you'll have to tell me a story or two about your dad and your grandpa and the guns. Guns without a story aren't much fun to me. Edited by Left Brain 2012-12-27 2:56 PM |
| 2012-12-27 2:59 PM in reply to: #4550253 |
Expert 839 Central Mass | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced powerman - 2012-12-27 12:09 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:00 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:48 PM You’re probably right, and I know it’s not exactly apples and oranges, but I bet if you had told people in the 40’s and 50’s that, in the late 70’s and 80’s there would be a huge backlash against smoking, so much so that smoking would be virtually nonexistent by comparison twenty years later, people wouldn’t have believed you. I think that as the population of this country continues to gravitate towards major cities, which tend to have more stringent gun laws and, more importantly, where hunting and recreational shooting is less a part of daily life, that you’ll see a sharp decrease in the number of Americans who feel as strongly about gun ownership as you do. ETA, I also think that the degree to which each successive generation becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy that comes from our increasingly “connected” existence means that you will see the concerns about national registries and more stringent licensing requirements lessen as well. For better or worse, people aren’t as worried about government intrusion into their lives as they probably were a generation ago. If they were, they wouldn’t all be carrying cell phones with trackable GPS chips in them and posting every trivial moment of their lives on facebook. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:13 PM Right, because when I come to COJ, I expect it to be productive. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:12 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:10 PM Yes, yes, we've covered that. As long as everyone realizes that nothing proposed here or in the new law is going to have a single effect on the murder rate in this country I'm good with the discussion. But if there is anyone who thinks this will make a difference in the number of gun murders per year....you're delusional. In fact, there a5re more guns in our society now than at any other timein our history....and gun deaths have beenin a steady decline. I know it all feels good.....but it's a MONUMENTAL waste of time, energy, and money. Yeah, we have.....but geez, what an absolute waste this all is. No, not this that we do, of course THIS is a waste LOL ......the time and money that will spent on new laws and regulations that will not have any effect on the shootings that people think they will prevent. I'll never understand it. Good Lord.... smoking is not Constitutionaly PROTECTED! But slavery was. Drinking was constutionaly prohibited. Rights change. |
| 2012-12-27 3:02 PM in reply to: #4550362 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced scorpio516 - 2012-12-27 2:59 PM powerman - 2012-12-27 12:09 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:00 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:48 PM You’re probably right, and I know it’s not exactly apples and oranges, but I bet if you had told people in the 40’s and 50’s that, in the late 70’s and 80’s there would be a huge backlash against smoking, so much so that smoking would be virtually nonexistent by comparison twenty years later, people wouldn’t have believed you. I think that as the population of this country continues to gravitate towards major cities, which tend to have more stringent gun laws and, more importantly, where hunting and recreational shooting is less a part of daily life, that you’ll see a sharp decrease in the number of Americans who feel as strongly about gun ownership as you do. ETA, I also think that the degree to which each successive generation becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy that comes from our increasingly “connected” existence means that you will see the concerns about national registries and more stringent licensing requirements lessen as well. For better or worse, people aren’t as worried about government intrusion into their lives as they probably were a generation ago. If they were, they wouldn’t all be carrying cell phones with trackable GPS chips in them and posting every trivial moment of their lives on facebook. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:13 PM Right, because when I come to COJ, I expect it to be productive. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:12 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:10 PM Yes, yes, we've covered that. As long as everyone realizes that nothing proposed here or in the new law is going to have a single effect on the murder rate in this country I'm good with the discussion. But if there is anyone who thinks this will make a difference in the number of gun murders per year....you're delusional. In fact, there a5re more guns in our society now than at any other timein our history....and gun deaths have beenin a steady decline. I know it all feels good.....but it's a MONUMENTAL waste of time, energy, and money. Yeah, we have.....but geez, what an absolute waste this all is. No, not this that we do, of course THIS is a waste LOL ......the time and money that will spent on new laws and regulations that will not have any effect on the shootings that people think they will prevent. I'll never understand it. Good Lord.... smoking is not Constitutionaly PROTECTED! But slavery was. Drinking was constutionaly prohibited. Rights change. Good luck. Keep in mind.....nobody quit drinking. |
| 2012-12-27 3:03 PM in reply to: #4550136 |
| Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced Left Brain - 2012-12-27 11:10 AM As long as everyone realizes that nothing proposed here or in the new law is going to have a single effect on the murder rate in this country I'm good with the discussion. But if there is anyone who thinks this will make a difference in the number of gun murders per year....you're delusional. In fact, there a5re more guns in our society now than at any other timein our history....and gun deaths have been in a steady decline for two decades. I know it all feels good.....but it's a MONUMENTAL waste of time, energy, and money. X2 I thought it was worth repeating. I'll one other thing I don't like about it is it creates a larger federal bureaucracy that will do nothing but make otherwise law abiding citizens potential felons. |
| 2012-12-27 3:04 PM in reply to: #4550295 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Dude--- how on earth did you get from what I said to anything about a civil war? I missed that leap somehow. ETA... Oh, I think I get it. You think "I beg to differ" means "I beg to differ with LB's statement 'we'll always have guns'". No, I meant, I beg to differ with LB's statement, "I don't feel that strongly about it", when the two sentences I bolded "We have guns, we always will" and "We'll always have guns, nothing will change that" suggest that he does, in fact, feel strongly about it. Because at the end of the day, that is what it will take if you really expect them to be gone. It isn't "changing attitudes" forced by government regulation and endless legislative paper cuts. "allowing" everyone to keep pea shooters does not satisfy the 2A. I understand what you are saying, it will just never happen. And I think many that "do not feel strongly" underestimate those that do. |
| 2012-12-27 3:11 PM in reply to: #4550235 |
| Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 12:00 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:48 PM You’re probably right, and I know it’s not exactly apples and oranges, but I bet if you had told people in the 40’s and 50’s that, in the late 70’s and 80’s there would be a huge backlash against smoking, so much so that smoking would be virtually nonexistent by comparison twenty years later, people wouldn’t have believed you. I think that as the population of this country continues to gravitate towards major cities, which tend to have more stringent gun laws and, more importantly, where hunting and recreational shooting is less a part of daily life, that you’ll see a sharp decrease in the number of Americans who feel as strongly about gun ownership as you do. ETA, I also think that the degree to which each successive generation becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy that comes from our increasingly “connected” existence means that you will see the concerns about national registries and more stringent licensing requirements lessen as well. For better or worse, people aren’t as worried about government intrusion into their lives as they probably were a generation ago. If they were, they wouldn’t all be carrying cell phones with trackable GPS chips in them and posting every trivial moment of their lives on facebook. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:13 PM Right, because when I come to COJ, I expect it to be productive. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:12 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:10 PM Yes, yes, we've covered that. As long as everyone realizes that nothing proposed here or in the new law is going to have a single effect on the murder rate in this country I'm good with the discussion. But if there is anyone who thinks this will make a difference in the number of gun murders per year....you're delusional. In fact, there a5re more guns in our society now than at any other timein our history....and gun deaths have beenin a steady decline. I know it all feels good.....but it's a MONUMENTAL waste of time, energy, and money. Yeah, we have.....but geez, what an absolute waste this all is. No, not this that we do, of course THIS is a waste LOL ......the time and money that will spent on new laws and regulations that will not have any effect on the shootings that people think they will prevent. I'll never understand it. This sounds like the Slippery Slope Thing that people say doesn't exist. |
| 2012-12-27 3:14 PM in reply to: #4550362 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced scorpio516 - 2012-12-27 2:59 PM powerman - 2012-12-27 12:09 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:00 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:48 PM You’re probably right, and I know it’s not exactly apples and oranges, but I bet if you had told people in the 40’s and 50’s that, in the late 70’s and 80’s there would be a huge backlash against smoking, so much so that smoking would be virtually nonexistent by comparison twenty years later, people wouldn’t have believed you. I think that as the population of this country continues to gravitate towards major cities, which tend to have more stringent gun laws and, more importantly, where hunting and recreational shooting is less a part of daily life, that you’ll see a sharp decrease in the number of Americans who feel as strongly about gun ownership as you do. ETA, I also think that the degree to which each successive generation becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy that comes from our increasingly “connected” existence means that you will see the concerns about national registries and more stringent licensing requirements lessen as well. For better or worse, people aren’t as worried about government intrusion into their lives as they probably were a generation ago. If they were, they wouldn’t all be carrying cell phones with trackable GPS chips in them and posting every trivial moment of their lives on facebook. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:13 PM Right, because when I come to COJ, I expect it to be productive. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:12 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:10 PM Yes, yes, we've covered that. As long as everyone realizes that nothing proposed here or in the new law is going to have a single effect on the murder rate in this country I'm good with the discussion. But if there is anyone who thinks this will make a difference in the number of gun murders per year....you're delusional. In fact, there a5re more guns in our society now than at any other timein our history....and gun deaths have beenin a steady decline. I know it all feels good.....but it's a MONUMENTAL waste of time, energy, and money. Yeah, we have.....but geez, what an absolute waste this all is. No, not this that we do, of course THIS is a waste LOL ......the time and money that will spent on new laws and regulations that will not have any effect on the shootings that people think they will prevent. I'll never understand it. Good Lord.... smoking is not Constitutionaly PROTECTED! But slavery was. Drinking was constutionaly prohibited. Rights change. With each of those examples the constitution was properly ratified. I think as long as they properly follow the constitution to ratify it then go for it. However, passing unconstitutional laws is not the right approach and isn't how they did it with any of those scenarios. On a side note, one of the big justifications for prohibition was to reduce violence in the home. Hmm, sounds a little familiar. |
| 2012-12-27 3:15 PM in reply to: #4550374 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced powerman - 2012-12-27 3:04 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Dude--- how on earth did you get from what I said to anything about a civil war? I missed that leap somehow. ETA... Oh, I think I get it. You think "I beg to differ" means "I beg to differ with LB's statement 'we'll always have guns'". No, I meant, I beg to differ with LB's statement, "I don't feel that strongly about it", when the two sentences I bolded "We have guns, we always will" and "We'll always have guns, nothing will change that" suggest that he does, in fact, feel strongly about it. Because at the end of the day, that is what it will take if you really expect them to be gone. It isn't "changing attitudes" forced by government regulation and endless legislative paper cuts. "allowing" everyone to keep pea shooters does not satisfy the 2A. I understand what you are saying, it will just never happen. And I think many that "do not feel strongly" underestimate those that do. Not me....that's what affords me to "not feel strongly".......I don't have to, I know what's out there. |
| 2012-12-27 3:16 PM in reply to: #4550314 |
| Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced pitt83 - 2012-12-27 12:38 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 3:26 PM I am that son. I have my grandfather's heirloom guns and really want to get rid of them. I probably will within the next few weeks via a buy back scheme. Then donate the money to Newtown scholarships being established for surviving brothers and sisters of victims. My grandfather lived by the gun, my father had them, liked them and introduced me to them. I've got no want for them. From extremist to ambivalent in 2 generations.Left Brain - 2012-12-27 2:15 PM Thanks for proving my point yet again. I don't want the government to take away your guns. Times change. That's all I'm saying. Will your son feel the same way in 20 years? Will his son? Maybe, maybe not. You can beg to differ all you want....my family will always have guns. My son feels the same as I do. You can ban them if you want.....you'll never find ours. The protection was put into the Constitution for a reason. I'm good with the reason. ambivalent,,,,,,,,,,,, I beg to differ. |
| 2012-12-27 3:19 PM in reply to: #4550362 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced scorpio516 - 2012-12-27 1:59 PM powerman - 2012-12-27 12:09 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:00 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:48 PM You’re probably right, and I know it’s not exactly apples and oranges, but I bet if you had told people in the 40’s and 50’s that, in the late 70’s and 80’s there would be a huge backlash against smoking, so much so that smoking would be virtually nonexistent by comparison twenty years later, people wouldn’t have believed you. I think that as the population of this country continues to gravitate towards major cities, which tend to have more stringent gun laws and, more importantly, where hunting and recreational shooting is less a part of daily life, that you’ll see a sharp decrease in the number of Americans who feel as strongly about gun ownership as you do. ETA, I also think that the degree to which each successive generation becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy that comes from our increasingly “connected” existence means that you will see the concerns about national registries and more stringent licensing requirements lessen as well. For better or worse, people aren’t as worried about government intrusion into their lives as they probably were a generation ago. If they were, they wouldn’t all be carrying cell phones with trackable GPS chips in them and posting every trivial moment of their lives on facebook. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:13 PM Right, because when I come to COJ, I expect it to be productive. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:12 PM Left Brain - 2012-12-27 1:10 PM Yes, yes, we've covered that. As long as everyone realizes that nothing proposed here or in the new law is going to have a single effect on the murder rate in this country I'm good with the discussion. But if there is anyone who thinks this will make a difference in the number of gun murders per year....you're delusional. In fact, there a5re more guns in our society now than at any other timein our history....and gun deaths have beenin a steady decline. I know it all feels good.....but it's a MONUMENTAL waste of time, energy, and money. Yeah, we have.....but geez, what an absolute waste this all is. No, not this that we do, of course THIS is a waste LOL ......the time and money that will spent on new laws and regulations that will not have any effect on the shootings that people think they will prevent. I'll never understand it. Good Lord.... smoking is not Constitutionaly PROTECTED! But slavery was. Drinking was constutionaly prohibited. Rights change. You're kidding right? Where was slavery protected in the Bill of rights? Where is drinking Constitutionaly protected in the Bill of Rights? If you want to repeal the 2a... good luck with that. |
| 2012-12-27 3:19 PM in reply to: #4549930 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced GomesBolt - 2012-12-27 12:26 PM Actually I have no proof of ownership. I have no transfer papers, I got my weapons from my grandfather who had an FFL in a state that had no registration. Don't think I'm too keen on sky lining that fact by trying to register with the Feds... I prefer to keep the government wondering how many and of what type of weapons I have. They have no business knowing what legal items I own. What's next? The national sex toy registration? |
| 2012-12-27 3:21 PM in reply to: #4550401 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced TriRSquared - 2012-12-27 3:19 PM GomesBolt - 2012-12-27 12:26 PM Actually I have no proof of ownership. I have no transfer papers, I got my weapons from my grandfather who had an FFL in a state that had no registration. Don't think I'm too keen on sky lining that fact by trying to register with the Feds... I prefer to keep the government wondering how many and of what type of weapons I have. They have no business knowing what legal items I own. What's next? The national sex toy registration? Wait....I gotta find a stat on how many people have died from them.....this could get really funny. |
| 2012-12-27 3:22 PM in reply to: #4550401 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced TriRSquared - 2012-12-27 3:19 PM GomesBolt - 2012-12-27 12:26 PM Actually I have no proof of ownership. I have no transfer papers, I got my weapons from my grandfather who had an FFL in a state that had no registration. Don't think I'm too keen on sky lining that fact by trying to register with the Feds... I prefer to keep the government wondering how many and of what type of weapons I have. They have no business knowing what legal items I own. What's next? The national sex toy registration? Why do I have to register my wife? |
| 2012-12-27 3:25 PM in reply to: #4550326 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:43 PM You totally missed my point. I understand they're not apples and oranges-- even said so at the beginning of my post. But a lot of the reasons that people feel so strongly against national gun registration has to do with their fear of the government intruding into their lives. My point is that as people in general becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy, I could see people becoming less concerned about national registration of guns. I don't mean to suggest that this will happen in the next six months. If you told people ten years ago that 90% of the population will be carrying around a device 24 hours a day that allows the government to precisely track their location people would have imagined some dystopian "1984" scenario. Now we just call them cell phones. You fail to realize there are many that flocked to this country from every corner of the world that are not wired that way. They have no intention of becomeing so complacent to loss of freedoms to accept being tended to like sheep. I'm not necessarily that guy. I'm not trying to talk tough. But people fought and died for their freedoms. People died protecting them. People sign up today and risk their lives for the same reason. This country guaranteed freedom, there are many that see no reason to change that. |
| 2012-12-27 3:26 PM in reply to: #4550414 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced powerman - 2012-12-27 3:25 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:43 PM You totally missed my point. I understand they're not apples and oranges-- even said so at the beginning of my post. But a lot of the reasons that people feel so strongly against national gun registration has to do with their fear of the government intruding into their lives. My point is that as people in general becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy, I could see people becoming less concerned about national registration of guns. I don't mean to suggest that this will happen in the next six months. If you told people ten years ago that 90% of the population will be carrying around a device 24 hours a day that allows the government to precisely track their location people would have imagined some dystopian "1984" scenario. Now we just call them cell phones. You fail to realize there are many that flocked to this country from every corner of the world that are not wired that way. They have no intention of becomeing so complacent to loss of freedoms to accept being tended to like sheep. I'm not necessarily that guy. I'm not trying to talk tough. But people fought and died for their freedoms. People died protecting them. People sign up today and risk their lives for the same reason. This country guaranteed freedom, there are many that see no reason to change that. Yep.......simple. |
| 2012-12-27 3:29 PM in reply to: #4550374 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced powerman - 2012-12-27 3:04 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Dude--- how on earth did you get from what I said to anything about a civil war? I missed that leap somehow. ETA... Oh, I think I get it. You think "I beg to differ" means "I beg to differ with LB's statement 'we'll always have guns'". No, I meant, I beg to differ with LB's statement, "I don't feel that strongly about it", when the two sentences I bolded "We have guns, we always will" and "We'll always have guns, nothing will change that" suggest that he does, in fact, feel strongly about it. Because at the end of the day, that is what it will take if you really expect them to be gone. It isn't "changing attitudes" forced by government regulation and endless legislative paper cuts. "allowing" everyone to keep pea shooters does not satisfy the 2A. I understand what you are saying, it will just never happen. And I think many that "do not feel strongly" underestimate those that do. Trust me, I don't underestimate the people who feel strongly about their guns. If I ever did, the last couple of weeks on COJ would have put an end to that. I just wonder whether as many people will feel as strongly in the future. I don't have any illusions that they'll ever be "gone" and I wouldn't want them to be, in spite of what you seem to believe about me. No one knows the future. Society is dramatically different than it was two generations ago. I don't think anyone can argue that today's generation is more removed from having the same appreciation for our freedoms that were fought for than our parents' generation had. Two generations from now? Who knows whether they'll see owning a gun as an integral to their personal liberty. |
| 2012-12-27 3:32 PM in reply to: #4550421 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 4:29 PM powerman - 2012-12-27 3:04 PM Trust me, I don't underestimate the people who feel strongly about their guns. If I ever did, the last couple of weeks on COJ would have put an end to that. I just wonder whether as many people will feel as strongly in the future. I don't have any illusions that they'll ever be "gone" and I wouldn't want them to be, in spite of what you seem to believe about me. No one knows the future. Society is dramatically different than it was two generations ago. I don't think anyone can argue that today's generation is more removed from having the same appreciation for our freedoms that were fought for than our parents' generation had. Two generations from now? Who knows whether they'll see owning a gun as an integral to their personal liberty. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Dude--- how on earth did you get from what I said to anything about a civil war? I missed that leap somehow. ETA... Oh, I think I get it. You think "I beg to differ" means "I beg to differ with LB's statement 'we'll always have guns'". No, I meant, I beg to differ with LB's statement, "I don't feel that strongly about it", when the two sentences I bolded "We have guns, we always will" and "We'll always have guns, nothing will change that" suggest that he does, in fact, feel strongly about it. Because at the end of the day, that is what it will take if you really expect them to be gone. It isn't "changing attitudes" forced by government regulation and endless legislative paper cuts. "allowing" everyone to keep pea shooters does not satisfy the 2A. I understand what you are saying, it will just never happen. And I think many that "do not feel strongly" underestimate those that do. Then let those generations introduce bills to limit their freedoms. A good majority of the current generation seems to be OK with keep these rights intact. Edited by TriRSquared 2012-12-27 3:33 PM |
| 2012-12-27 3:33 PM in reply to: #4550421 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 2:29 PM powerman - 2012-12-27 3:04 PM Trust me, I don't underestimate the people who feel strongly about their guns. If I ever did, the last couple of weeks on COJ would have put an end to that. I just wonder whether as many people will feel as strongly in the future. I don't have any illusions that they'll ever be "gone" and I wouldn't want them to be, in spite of what you seem to believe about me. No one knows the future. Society is dramatically different than it was two generations ago. I don't think anyone can argue that today's generation is more removed from having the same appreciation for our freedoms that were fought for than our parents' generation had. Two generations from now? Who knows whether they'll see owning a gun as an integral to their personal liberty. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Dude--- how on earth did you get from what I said to anything about a civil war? I missed that leap somehow. ETA... Oh, I think I get it. You think "I beg to differ" means "I beg to differ with LB's statement 'we'll always have guns'". No, I meant, I beg to differ with LB's statement, "I don't feel that strongly about it", when the two sentences I bolded "We have guns, we always will" and "We'll always have guns, nothing will change that" suggest that he does, in fact, feel strongly about it. Because at the end of the day, that is what it will take if you really expect them to be gone. It isn't "changing attitudes" forced by government regulation and endless legislative paper cuts. "allowing" everyone to keep pea shooters does not satisfy the 2A. I understand what you are saying, it will just never happen. And I think many that "do not feel strongly" underestimate those that do. Society may be different, but people are the same they have been for the last 10,000 years. When the next big mass solar ejection occures which we are over due for, you will see exactly how far people have come. |
| 2012-12-27 3:34 PM in reply to: #4550421 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 3:29 PM powerman - 2012-12-27 3:04 PM Trust me, I don't underestimate the people who feel strongly about their guns. If I ever did, the last couple of weeks on COJ would have put an end to that. I just wonder whether as many people will feel as strongly in the future. I don't have any illusions that they'll ever be "gone" and I wouldn't want them to be, in spite of what you seem to believe about me. No one knows the future. Society is dramatically different than it was two generations ago. I don't think anyone can argue that today's generation is more removed from having the same appreciation for our freedoms that were fought for than our parents' generation had. Two generations from now? Who knows whether they'll see owning a gun as an integral to their personal liberty. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Dude--- how on earth did you get from what I said to anything about a civil war? I missed that leap somehow. ETA... Oh, I think I get it. You think "I beg to differ" means "I beg to differ with LB's statement 'we'll always have guns'". No, I meant, I beg to differ with LB's statement, "I don't feel that strongly about it", when the two sentences I bolded "We have guns, we always will" and "We'll always have guns, nothing will change that" suggest that he does, in fact, feel strongly about it. Because at the end of the day, that is what it will take if you really expect them to be gone. It isn't "changing attitudes" forced by government regulation and endless legislative paper cuts. "allowing" everyone to keep pea shooters does not satisfy the 2A. I understand what you are saying, it will just never happen. And I think many that "do not feel strongly" underestimate those that do. When they have to fight for them again, they'll appreciate them again. To me, THAT'S more likely in the future than anything you can conjur up.......look around the world, people everywhere yearn to be free....it's the default human condition. THAT'S what you should not underestimate. Edited by Left Brain 2012-12-27 3:34 PM |
| 2012-12-27 3:34 PM in reply to: #4549705 |
| Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced tuwood - 2012-12-27 7:46 AM My apologies for starting another gun thread, but this one is just to discuss Feinstein's AWB legislation that she is going to introduce. Personally I think she's overreaching and this likely won't get very far. I'll be curious to see what comes out of the discussions. http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons
How many people are killed each year by the long guns that they are trying to ban? How concerned will criminals be with observing the #of rounds they have in their mags? Oh, never mind any of this,,,,,, The Bill proposed has nothing to do with keeping law abiding citizens safe. Carry on. |
| 2012-12-27 3:36 PM in reply to: #4550425 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced TriRSquared - 2012-12-27 2:32 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 4:29 PM powerman - 2012-12-27 3:04 PM Trust me, I don't underestimate the people who feel strongly about their guns. If I ever did, the last couple of weeks on COJ would have put an end to that. I just wonder whether as many people will feel as strongly in the future. I don't have any illusions that they'll ever be "gone" and I wouldn't want them to be, in spite of what you seem to believe about me. No one knows the future. Society is dramatically different than it was two generations ago. I don't think anyone can argue that today's generation is more removed from having the same appreciation for our freedoms that were fought for than our parents' generation had. Two generations from now? Who knows whether they'll see owning a gun as an integral to their personal liberty. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Dude--- how on earth did you get from what I said to anything about a civil war? I missed that leap somehow. ETA... Oh, I think I get it. You think "I beg to differ" means "I beg to differ with LB's statement 'we'll always have guns'". No, I meant, I beg to differ with LB's statement, "I don't feel that strongly about it", when the two sentences I bolded "We have guns, we always will" and "We'll always have guns, nothing will change that" suggest that he does, in fact, feel strongly about it. Because at the end of the day, that is what it will take if you really expect them to be gone. It isn't "changing attitudes" forced by government regulation and endless legislative paper cuts. "allowing" everyone to keep pea shooters does not satisfy the 2A. I understand what you are saying, it will just never happen. And I think many that "do not feel strongly" underestimate those that do. Then let those generations introduce bills to limit their freedoms. A good majority of the current generation seems to be OK with keep these rights intact. See that is what is so beautiful about protected rights... you are perfectly free to not exercise them. See how easy that is??? |
| 2012-12-27 3:39 PM in reply to: #4550414 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Assault Weapons Ban being introduced powerman - 2012-12-27 3:25 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-27 1:43 PM You totally missed my point. I understand they're not apples and oranges-- even said so at the beginning of my post. But a lot of the reasons that people feel so strongly against national gun registration has to do with their fear of the government intruding into their lives. My point is that as people in general becomes more and more comfortable with a loss of privacy, I could see people becoming less concerned about national registration of guns. I don't mean to suggest that this will happen in the next six months. If you told people ten years ago that 90% of the population will be carrying around a device 24 hours a day that allows the government to precisely track their location people would have imagined some dystopian "1984" scenario. Now we just call them cell phones. You fail to realize there are many that flocked to this country from every corner of the world that are not wired that way. They have no intention of becomeing so complacent to loss of freedoms to accept being tended to like sheep. I'm not necessarily that guy. I'm not trying to talk tough. But people fought and died for their freedoms. People died protecting them. People sign up today and risk their lives for the same reason. This country guaranteed freedom, there are many that see no reason to change that. I live in the most ethnically and culturally diverse place in the country; I'm surrounded every day by thousands of people who flocked here from every other part of the world. I don't presume to speak for all of them, but I can tell you that freedom means different things to different people, and not everyone who comes to the US defines "freedom" as the right to bear arms. In fact, I think for many, they define freedom as the right not to have to bear arms. |
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