Did you know your kids aren't yours? (Page 4)

Wow, I googled a graph searching on "out of wedlock births" and it was the first one that came up.  You're trying to make it sound like I created the graph.  You two need to stop trying to make this a race thing because race is irrelevant.

Again, this is VERY simplistic. To begin with, as a stay at home dad, it seems that our, ah, earning "potential" has not been realized. And yet we manage fine.

And two parents working and earning minimum wage are not doing better then a single parent earning high wages.

I have seen plenty of single parents, earning very little, doing a great job with their kids. They CARE. And I have also seen families, with both parents making good money, and the kids leaving much to be desired.

Trying to use the number of parents as an excuse is good for a specific agenda, but based on experience, a feeble excuse, which has little to do with reality.

What do you think public education is.

Wow indeed...  You post a graph identifying blacks and whites and the ratios of children out of wedlock and claim that's the reason of the decline of society and I tell you what I see in the graph YOU posted and I'M making it a race thing?  How does that work again?

I'm curious why if you say race is irrelevant, you post a graph that clearly makes a point of it?

In another life I bought drugs as an undercover Detective for a DEA task force.  I bought crack from poor black guys in the projects.  I bought meth from poor white guys in trailer parks.  Same exact game.  Economic standing being the common denominator.

If you think race makes a difference come ride with me........I'll cure you.  Same for family status.

It's all about money.

Exactly.  Socioeconomics has the bigger impact to crime (and types of crime) and single parent families, etc.  Doesn't matter if you are black or white.  To make it a black and white issue when it's ACTUALLY an economic standing issue is racism, IMO.

That's more of a socioeconomic symptom, not a race issue.  But since much of the poor IS black, of course the rates for them are going to be higher.  But being black is not the reason, being poor is.  That's why racisim is still such a problem.  It's not as overt, but deep down in the core of the way people think.  Too many attibute it to a race/skin color thing when it's a poverty thing.

My first wife (who was black), was able to point these things out to me.  Opened my eyes.  Racism isn't as overt as it used to be, but it's this kind of stuff that is still so prevelent.

It's like saying if someone plays on a basketball team, they are most likely going to be tall - true.  But if you are tall, doesn't mean you play basketball.

So if you say someone is poor (and with that comes the single parent families and crime), most likely they will be black.  But because you are black, doesn't mean you are poor/criminal or from a single family.

Skin color doesn't make you a bad parent or criminal, even if because of ECONOMIC reasons, certain ethnic groups have higher rates of it.

OH, for the record?  My ex wife's "nationality"?  is AMERICAN.  MOST black people's nationality is American.  Many probably have ancesters that lived in America LONG before a lot of white people.  If you are a citizen, your nationality is American.  That applies to minorites as well as white people.

Again, this is VERY simplistic. To begin with, as a stay at home dad, it seems that our, ah, earning "potential" has not been realized. And yet we manage fine.

And two parents working and earning minimum wage are not doing better then a single parent earning high wages.

I have seen plenty of single parents, earning very little, doing a great job with their kids. They CARE. And I have also seen families, with both parents making good money, and the kids leaving much to be desired.

Trying to use the number of parents as an excuse is good for a specific agenda, but based on experience, a feeble excuse, which has little to do with reality.

i read the same things as you did there....

I think it's ok to be a proponent for marriage and nothing to apologize about. Forums are about opinions and not everyone agrees. I also think that the degradation of marriage is a problem in our society and I am not gonna apologize for that opinion.

Maybe not for the same reasons that everyone else here might have or judge though..

My take on the commentator was her very first comment about the fact that people always balk at the idea of providing more funding toward public education. 

Education funding was her point. Period. I don't think she has any personal desire to see the government take over or "indoctrinate" anyone's kids. 

she's only pointing out the gross contradiction in statements, not passing a judgment on his opinion.

How could anyone be against our children getting a great education? I would like to think that the point Perry-Harris was making was that benign. Her point is not just that simple. Her point carries a very defined progressive agenda with it.

One of my friends posted this opinion article on fb this morning which makes the same point I was making yesterday;

"Harris-Perry’s paean to collectivism makes explicit the principle that is implicit in many of the policies of the Left—from its resistance to home schooling to its propagandistic sex education in public schools to its opposition to parental consent or even parental notification for abortion. All of those policies are based on the state-as-parent model that she articulated."

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/the-private-idea-of-parental-rights

Well played. 

I tried to clarify that later, which you left out.  Yes I'm saying marriage because it's what our society uses to represent two parents living together.  When talking about the effects of having two parents on a child, having a ring on the finger is irrelevant. 

So, a more accurate statement would be I'm really passionate about the decline of the family unit in America and the impact it is having on kids.

Obviously it's hard to separate having two parents in the home and marriage because there aren't too many room mates with kids so I do tend to use the term marriage.  Sorry.

As a stay at home dad you do not have to pay for child care on only one income. Additionally if something happens and your wife is laid off there are two of you that can look for work vs 1. However, of course it is somewhat simplistic do I really have to write a 5 page economics paper on an Internet forum? Beyond that all you have is anecdotal evidence when the research says otherwise. Remember the bell curve?

UMMMMMMMM>>>>>>>  a way to get into college? keep us from looking like a 3rd world country? provide a means for kids to learn their ABC's.  free daycare... take your pic

Free daycare.

Since there is no red font, I assume you mean this in a literal sense. I can see how both of you would have read his comments.

But isn't it possible to feel bad about how parental separation impacts kids.. and also see that this country's high rate of divorce can have an effect on our young people, but also recognize that it's not the only issue that we deal with in education? (coz I think the original video specifically spoke about needing more support for education)