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2013-04-16 8:52 AM
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NXS - 2013-04-16 8:49 AM I find it rather odd that after Sandy Hook all gun owners are considered the bad guy because we all know that if it weren't for guns no violence would ever happen, but after a terrorist bombing, the people who are known world wide for this kind of attack cannot even be mentioned without being called racist.

You mean like Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph and Bruce Ivins?  Those races?

First and foremost, NOBODY was called a racist on this thread or the other.  What people were asking is that the time for finger pointing was later.  Not as things were unfolding. 



2013-04-16 9:17 AM
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NXS - 2013-04-16 8:49 AM I find it rather odd that after Sandy Hook all gun owners are considered the bad guy because we all know that if it weren't for guns no violence would ever happen, but after a terrorist bombing, the people who are known world wide for this kind of attack cannot even be mentioned without being called racist.

You mean like Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph and Bruce Ivins?  Those races?

First and foremost, NOBODY was called a racist on this thread or the other.  What people were asking is that the time for finger pointing was later.  Not as things were unfolding. 

 Let's not forget Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and Van Court.



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scoobysdad - 2013-04-15 4:08 PM NY Post is reporting police are holding a suspect, a Saudi national. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/two_explosions_at_boston_mara...

How long before you get called a racist on here?

Seriously? Is that supposed to be funny?

 

I don't find it funny but it does a good job of summing up my emotions.   I like the juxtaposition of Hell contrasted with the relative minor annoyance of pausing a watch contrasted with the horror of what actually happened.  I don't think it was meant to be funny.

For me, bombing Boston is like bombing Disneyland.  Not all terrorist acts conjure the same emotion in me.  I am not sure if it is because I am a runner and I know what Boston means to a runner.  I mean it is like a car bomb going off on a church parking lot on Christmas day. 

I feel sick, so sick.  I don't even really know anyone there, just some people I see at races from time to time.  I feel ill.

Intent aside, the comment was offensive. 

I understand your emotion, I share many of the same emotions. I feel violated. And I'm not even a principal - I wasn't there. 

I just pray the media gets this right...their freight train is running. Instead of asking 'who did this', they're asking 'what nationality was the person(s) that did this'?  BTW, not just limited to the media, the Dept of Homeland Security head asked the same pressing question. Sad, but seem to be a lot of people / institutions looking to hang this on someone's neck - not as an individual, but as a class

While I agree that the speculation train has left the terminal, it is also true that this may not be the work of an individual, and certainly some groups have defined themselves ......Muslim extremists and White supremists come quickly to mind.  To call either group only by "extremist or supremist",  and leave out their "class", would be innacurate. 

While it is absolutely imperative in any investigation to be open to the possibility of any eventuality, it is prudent to look at groups or classes who have been previously responsible for similar incidents.  It doesn't carry emotion.....at least it shouldn't.

What do you mean by "look at groups or classes?" I would expect or hope that the people investigating the incident would go where the evidence takes them, as opposed to looking at a particular group of people and seeing if the evidence leads to the group or member of the group.

It's called "ruling people out".....sometimes you have to start there.  Again, it doesn't have to contain emotion or bias. 

2013-04-16 10:08 AM
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I was just pointing out that you have to give the benefit of doubt to Muslims or any other group but not law abiding gun owners. 
2013-04-16 10:09 AM
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NXS - 2013-04-16 11:08 AM

I was just pointing out that you have to give the benefit of doubt to Muslims or any other group but not law abiding gun owners. 


That topic is frozen. Please; let's stick to the incidents of yesterday.

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They have ID'ed the child killed.  His mom was hurt pretty badly and his sister lost a limb.  Dad was running the marathon.  Horrible tragic loss for this family.  I imagine This won't be the only huge impact to a single family.  I mean...chances are good that other "groups" of spectators were standing together.


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jldicarlo - 2013-04-16 10:11 AM They have ID'ed the child killed.  His mom was hurt pretty badly and his sister lost a limb.  Dad was running the marathon.  Horrible tragic loss for this family.  I imagine This won't be the only huge impact to a single family.  I mean...chances are good that other "groups" of spectators were standing together.

I was thinking the same thing.  I even had somewhat of a nightmare last night where I was running in the marathon with my family waiting at the finish line as they always do.  I slacked off on my training and was going to finish the race 30 minutes later than I should have resulting in them being there when things happened. 

Talk about a whole new twist on training guilt because the people who were there at that time were likely there at that time due to the pace the person they were supporting was running.

Man, this is just too close to home for me...

2013-04-16 11:13 AM
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jldicarlo - 2013-04-16 8:11 AM They have ID'ed the child killed.  His mom was hurt pretty badly and his sister lost a limb.  Dad was running the marathon.  Horrible tragic loss for this family.  I imagine This won't be the only huge impact to a single family.  I mean...chances are good that other "groups" of spectators were standing together.

Oh my, this is awful.  I hadn't seen that they ID'd the child.  I truly hope the family can recover from this.  

And, true, I was thinking about that 'group' idea too.  Just terrible.

2013-04-16 11:22 AM
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jldicarlo - 2013-04-16 10:11 AM They have ID'ed the child killed.  His mom was hurt pretty badly and his sister lost a limb.  Dad was running the marathon.  Horrible tragic loss for this family.  I imagine This won't be the only huge impact to a single family.  I mean...chances are good that other "groups" of spectators were standing together.

I was thinking the same thing.  I even had somewhat of a nightmare last night where I was running in the marathon with my family waiting at the finish line as they always do.  I slacked off on my training and was going to finish the race 30 minutes later than I should have resulting in them being there when things happened. 

Talk about a whole new twist on training guilt because the people who were there at that time were likely there at that time due to the pace the person they were supporting was running.

Man, this is just too close to home for me...



It goes beyond just training guilt.

The father/husband of that family must be thinking about how his participation in the event-- even just the sport-- is what got his child killed and family destroyed. They were there just for him.

I can't even imagine trying to deal with that even though he bears no fault whatsoever.

I just get so angry and sad every time I think about this. It should have been a day of pure joy and it was turned into a day of unthinkable tragedy that will resonate for years to come.

2013-04-16 11:29 AM
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I heard about the father running too, but also read a different account. The whole family was spectating, the father was injured (as in training injury) and did not run (he was with them and only lightly injured). Both the wife and daughter were seriously injured. Either way cannot imagine what he is going through right now.

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/fbi-holds-news-conference-marathon-bombings-133152749.html



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jldicarlo - 2013-04-16 10:11 AM They have ID'ed the child killed.  His mom was hurt pretty badly and his sister lost a limb.  Dad was running the marathon.  Horrible tragic loss for this family.  I imagine This won't be the only huge impact to a single family.  I mean...chances are good that other "groups" of spectators were standing together.

I was thinking the same thing.  I even had somewhat of a nightmare last night where I was running in the marathon with my family waiting at the finish line as they always do.  I slacked off on my training and was going to finish the race 30 minutes later than I should have resulting in them being there when things happened. 

Talk about a whole new twist on training guilt because the people who were there at that time were likely there at that time due to the pace the person they were supporting was running.

Man, this is just too close to home for me...

It goes beyond just training guilt. The father/husband of that family must be thinking about how his participation in the event-- even just the sport-- is what got his child killed and family destroyed. They were there just for him. I can't even imagine trying to deal with that even though he bears no fault whatsoever. I just get so angry and sad every time I think about this. It should have been a day of pure joy and it was turned into a day of unthinkable tragedy that will resonate for years to come.

This just makes me cry so hard.  I can't take this.



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What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??
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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 

2013-04-16 11:54 AM
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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 12:42 PM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

April 20 was chosen for Columbine because it was Hitler's birthday.  Not sure if there is significance to the dates of other events??  There are some theories on Boston happening on Patriot's Day?

2013-04-16 11:57 AM
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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 



The 19th was the day when the Waco complex burned and OK city bombing staged as retaliation of that.
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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 

The 19th was the day when the Waco complex burned and OK city bombing staged as retaliation of that.

 

wasn't the Va Tech shooting in April also???

 

I know there is no rational explanation for what happened, but part of me wants them to catch whoever is responsible and find out why they thought this was a good idea.

It's almost like, whether the reason is good or bad, I want to know what they were thinking!



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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 

The 19th was the day when the Waco complex burned and OK city bombing staged as retaliation of that.

 

wasn't the Va Tech shooting in April also???

 

I know there is no rational explanation for what happened, but part of me wants them to catch whoever is responsible and find out why they thought this was a good idea.

It's almost like, whether the reason is good or bad, I want to know what they were thinking!

Today is the anniversary of the Tech shooting.

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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 12:42 PM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

 

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jldicarlo - 2013-04-16 9:11 AM They have ID'ed the child killed.  His mom was hurt pretty badly and his sister lost a limb.  Dad was running the marathon.  Horrible tragic loss for this family.  I imagine This won't be the only huge impact to a single family.  I mean...chances are good that other "groups" of spectators were standing together.

Wow, my mind boggles at this type of pain.

I love the "look for the helpers" idea and it does make me feel better but it isn't enough.  I have to do something myself where ever I am and no matter how small when something like this happens.  Anyone else feel this way?

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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 

Same here but it's because April 15th is my birthday and that just means I'm getting older.  It should be considered a national tragedy for multiple reasons.

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jford2309 - What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

T.S. Eliot begins his poem The Waste Land with:

I. THE BURIAL OF THE DEAD

April is the cruelest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain... 



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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 

Same here but it's because April 15th is my birthday and that just means I'm getting older.  It should be considered a national tragedy for multiple reasons.

Ha!  Mine is the 19th :/ 

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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 

The 19th was the day when the Waco complex burned and OK city bombing staged as retaliation of that.

Here's an article about the connections.  Interesting. 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/us/patriots-day-boston-bombing/

from the article:

The American uprising against the British in Lexington, Massachusetts, was on April 19, 1775, but Patriots Day is celebrated in Massachusetts and Maine on the third Monday in April, falling this year on April 15.

So, Columbine, Hitler's birthday, Patriot's day, Boston Marathon, VA Tech, Waco, and Oklahoma City all happened in a 5 day time-period on the calendar (different years of course).  That's one rough week.



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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 

The 19th was the day when the Waco complex burned and OK city bombing staged as retaliation of that.

 

wasn't the Va Tech shooting in April also???

 

I know there is no rational explanation for what happened, but part of me wants them to catch whoever is responsible and find out why they thought this was a good idea.

It's almost like, whether the reason is good or bad, I want to know what they were thinking!

I can't for the life of me believe that in the wildest definition how there could be a "good" reason?!?

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GomesBolt - 2013-04-16 12:39 PM
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jford2309 - 2013-04-16 11:42 AM What is it about April that seems to be when a majority of these tragedies take place??

I don't know.  I always dread the middle of April every year because it seems like something is going to happen.  April 19, is the date I typically associate with the bad stuff and I specifically recall thinking about the 19th coming up on my drive to work yesterday. 

The 19th was the day when the Waco complex burned and OK city bombing staged as retaliation of that.

Here's an article about the connections.  Interesting. 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/us/patriots-day-boston-bombing/

from the article:

The American uprising against the British in Lexington, Massachusetts, was on April 19, 1775, but Patriots Day is celebrated in Massachusetts and Maine on the third Monday in April, falling this year on April 15.

So, Columbine, Hitler's birthday, Patriot's day, Boston Marathon, VA Tech, Waco, and Oklahoma City all happened in a 5 day time-period on the calendar (different years of course).  That's one rough week.

Some ship hit an iceberg on April 15th as well.

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