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 2007-12-18 8:45 AM in reply to: #1101625 |
Member  15 Lawrence, Kansas |  Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- fulljszat - 2007-12-14 9:13 AM jszat - 2007-12-14 9:11 AM JChristoff - 2007-12-14 7:19 AM Snoogaloo - 2007-12-13 9:30 PM Tried to workout today because I've had a cold for the past week and haven't gone in 3 days straight!! I was so weak it was pretty much pointless for me to be there but I'm glad I went anyways. I'm gonna go the rest of the week but take it easy so I can get better. Next week I plan on starting that 1/2 IM training plan so I can do the first month twice. After getting some responses from other people I might change my goal to just a sprint and olympic distance tri for the summer. I figure it would be easier to start training for the 1/2 IM and then scale down if I have to than vice versa. Hey look at me... I haven't worked out once in December. Don't feel like too much of a slug. I don't even have the excuse of being sick to back it up. I iz just lazy.  Before you drop your goal of doing a half this year lets understand where you are at now. You are a new member and without historical workout logs, prior races, current load, maximum loads, etc. we (your mentor and mentorees) can't give you input without some facts. What is your plan? What does your season schedule look like? I will be completely honest and say that I am nervous about starting to train for a 1/2 IM... So we are in the same boat. If you are committed to it, you can do it. Yeah, you won't be racing it and you may not podium. But, I don't know about you, I am in this sport for knowing that I acomplished my goals not to win cheapo trophies and metals.First off, if you read my Door County Oly RR, you will notice that some races award booze for AG placings, so before training really super hard, you should maybe find out what the prize is Snoogs, looking at your quest for a HIM, it is not an impossible thing to do. My young tri career has been a cautious ramp up over roughly 2.5 years to my first IM. As I learned more about the sport, it was a very structured plan, kinda, as far as knowing what I needed to work on and when it would fit into family life. That approach yielded pretty decent results for me personally and allowed me to court the idea of triathlon and integrate it as a lifestyle a bit longer. The HIM can definitely be done this year if you feel you have a strong base/ability in one of the sports and enough proficiency in another one where you can easily bring that up and work on anything that sucks (like I needed to and still need to on the swim). How bad do you want it, where do you feel your background is base wise and where do you want to go with the sport are things to look at. Only you know if you are a workhorse ready to throw down big miles or are just getting started. Duh. Looking at your write up, your run has come around, but you dont say much about that. Where you at there? The best run I've had is 8 miles and it took me 1 hour 45 minutes. Due to being sick lately ( I might have a little hospital visit sometime soon) and finding some events in my area I think I'm going to stick to sprint and oly distances this year. Unless my training goes ridiculously well I think I'm going to save the 1/2 IM for next year and just volunteer at the one this year. |
| 2007-12-18 9:06 AM in reply to: #1107409 |
Elite 3656     West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full JChristoff - 2007-12-18 5:52 AM djdavey - 2007-12-18 6:31 AM It's going around here in Ohio too. A couple of people at work are just hacking. Just don't come to my blog and leave all your germs everywhere alright. i think im catching what you guys had...............should stop reading your posts.........looks like its contagious...............thanks guys!!!
Get better.EEEEEEAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW |
| 2007-12-18 11:29 AM in reply to: #1107554 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full Snoogaloo - 2007-12-18 9:45 AM The best run I've had is 8 miles and it took me 1 hour 45 minutes. Due to being sick lately ( I might have a little hospital visit sometime soon) and finding some events in my area I think I'm going to stick to sprint and oly distances this year. Unless my training goes ridiculously well I think I'm going to save the 1/2 IM for next year and just volunteer at the one this year. You still have time to make that go/no-go decision. I completely understand your thought process. I can see where another year of base building will really have a good impact on me... but I also want to challenge myself. It is trying to find that balance which is hard. 8 miles is a great run. Of course, if or when you start training for your HIM you will do those and a couple longer distance 2+ hour runs around your peak building period. I haven't really seen a plan that makes you run much longer than 2:15-2:30 during my searching... I may be wrong of course. My longest run is 10.2 in 1:35 which was during a prep for a half mary that I didn't end up running in October. I think I am going to throw down a couple 10 milers regularly during the training season to help boost my running base and to get used to drinking on the run. Get better soon. I am hoping that I don't catch the bug that is going around here. |
| 2007-12-18 11:43 AM in reply to: #1107554 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full The best run I've had is 8 miles and it took me 1 hour 45 minutes. Due to being sick lately ( I might have a little hospital visit sometime soon) and finding some events in my area I think I'm going to stick to sprint and oly distances this year. Unless my training goes ridiculously well I think I'm going to save the 1/2 IM for next year and just volunteer at the one this year. Thats a nice base run to start off with and the more you can throw those down, the easier it will be to tack on a half mary to the end of the HIM swim and bike. And FWIW, there is no reason to try and tackle a HIM as a first race unless you can give it full focus. I would consider myself a pretty decent runner and biker and took my time getting to the HIM distance personally. I can still very much remember the days when 20 miles on the bike seemed like it was gonna kill me. |
| 2007-12-19 7:17 AM in reply to: #1093982 |
Pro 4089 Without house | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full I had a swim lesson yesterday with a competitive swimmer. 3 little things and I'd cut 10 seconds off my 50 yd time (from 1:15 to 1:05). It was pretty cool. I'll put it to the test and see if it's maintainable, but I was impressed with myself. Evidently I already had decent form... Considering the fact that last year I couldn't swim with my face in the water, or make it 25 yds without stopping at LEAST 3 times, I'd say that's pretty good |
| 2007-12-19 7:24 AM in reply to: #1109180 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full maggyruth - 2007-12-19 8:17 AM I had a swim lesson yesterday with a competitive swimmer. 3 little things and I'd cut 10 seconds off my 50 yd time (from 1:15 to 1:05). It was pretty cool. I'll put it to the test and see if it's maintainable, but I was impressed with myself. Evidently I already had decent form...Considering the fact that last year I couldn't swim with my face in the water, or make it 25 yds without stopping at LEAST 3 times, I'd say that's pretty good Great to hear. Congratulations. Sounds like the donks are having fun in the pool this season. |
| 2007-12-19 7:31 AM in reply to: #1107845 |
Pro 4089 Without house | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full jszat - 2007-12-18 11:43 AM The best run I've had is 8 miles and it took me 1 hour 45 minutes. Due to being sick lately ( I might have a little hospital visit sometime soon) and finding some events in my area I think I'm going to stick to sprint and oly distances this year. Unless my training goes ridiculously well I think I'm going to save the 1/2 IM for next year and just volunteer at the one this year. Thats a nice base run to start off with and the more you can throw those down, the easier it will be to tack on a half mary to the end of the HIM swim and bike. And FWIW, there is no reason to try and tackle a HIM as a first race unless you can give it full focus. I would consider myself a pretty decent runner and biker and took my time getting to the HIM distance personally. I can still very much remember the days when 20 miles on the bike seemed like it was gonna kill me. 20 miles on the bike still kills me! Snoog-good on ya for respecting the distance and knowing that your body might not be at the point where you're ready for an HIM. Yeah, there are people out there who can do an HIM first season. Good for them. I'm not aiming for one until my 3rd season. I prefer training smart over training hard. Don't care if I CAN do it, I want to be smart about it... |
| 2007-12-19 8:07 AM in reply to: #1095020 |
Pro 3870 Virginia Beach, VA | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- open Unless he was feeding my BS for a few months this summer I'd say he did a bit of work this season. Maybe I went too easy on him though
jszat - 2007-12-11 11:52 AM pseudoyams - 2007-12-11 9:59 AM I have a snow blower. Can i join? You should start your own group and teach how to rely on your genetics and never have to work, freak. Edited by TH3_FRB 2007-12-19 8:09 AM |
| 2007-12-19 9:04 AM in reply to: #1109203 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full maggyruth - 2007-12-19 8:31 AM 20 miles on the bike still kills me! Snoog-good on ya for respecting the distance and knowing that your body might not be at the point where you're ready for an HIM. Yeah, there are people out there who can do an HIM first season. Good for them. I'm not aiming for one until my 3rd season. I prefer training smart over training hard. Don't care if I CAN do it, I want to be smart about it... 20 miles killed me until this year. I am still a little intimidated by 40 and 50 mile distances. I think it is all relative and your perception changes once you experience it. I was fearful of 10k until I ran it in training and now can run it regularly I was scared of 13.1 but after running 10... adding a 5k on top of it seemed doable. I just have never really gone that long on a ride ever. I think my longest stands just around 48. I know I am going to need to really work hard on my cycling this year in order to be ready for the HIM. I am really nervous about it. Am I ready? Do I have enough base? Should I wait another year? I really have no clue but I do have a big part of me that wants to try it. |
| 2007-12-19 9:39 AM in reply to: #1109404 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full JChristoff - 2007-12-19 9:04 AM maggyruth - 2007-12-19 8:31 AM 20 miles on the bike still kills me! 20 miles killed me until this year. I am still a little intimidated by 40 and 50 mile distances. I think it is all relative and your perception changes once you experience it. I was fearful of 10k until I ran it in training and now can run it regularly I was scared of 13.1 but after running 10... adding a 5k on top of it seemed doable. I just have never really gone that long on a ride ever. I think my longest stands just around 48. I know I am going to need to really work hard on my cycling this year in order to be ready for the HIM. I am really nervous about it. Am I ready? Do I have enough base? Should I wait another year? I really have no clue but I do have a big part of me that wants to try it. Snoog-good on ya for respecting the distance and knowing that your body might not be at the point where you're ready for an HIM. Yeah, there are people out there who can do an HIM first season. Good for them. I'm not aiming for one until my 3rd season. I prefer training smart over training hard. Don't care if I CAN do it, I want to be smart about it... dont let fear dictate your race plans, you dictate your race plans.....................to be honest with you i am quite nervous about IMMOO this coming year, just ask my wife!! ive done sprints but not half's, but will do half's this year in prep for IMMOO. we are all in this together i guess is what my point is.....................or im just babbling and not making any sense at all...............
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| 2007-12-19 9:59 AM in reply to: #1093982 |
Elite 3687 | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full Mostly babbling, but that's cool.  |
| 2007-12-19 10:15 AM in reply to: #1109495 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full djdavey - 2007-12-19 10:39 AM dont let fear dictate your race plans, you dictate your race plans.....................to be honest with you i am quite nervous about IMMOO this coming year, just ask my wife!! ive done sprints but not half's, but will do half's this year in prep for IMMOO. we are all in this together i guess is what my point is.....................or im just babbling and not making any sense at all............... I hear you. Trust yourself, trust your training and just do it. Fortunately the HIM is not an Ironman sponsored event and is just run by a local company so I don't have to register right away or in advance. I know the price goes up after this next week but not too drastically. I still have time to make my decision. |
| 2007-12-19 10:19 AM in reply to: #1109203 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full 20 miles on the bike still kills me! Snoog-good on ya for respecting the distance and knowing that your body might not be at the point where you're ready for an HIM. Yeah, there are people out there who can do an HIM first season. Good for them. I'm not aiming for one until my 3rd season. I prefer training smart over training hard. Don't care if I CAN do it, I want to be smart about it... With all the time you are putting in this winter next year 20 is gonna be a breeze. Biking is easy in that all ya gotta do is keep gradually stretching that distance and it will get easier. My scientific unplanned training plan my first two seasons was to just try and ride a little further every few weeks til i got up to about 70 miles or so. You will learn fueling better, your muscles will adapt and next thing ya know 20 miles is a warm up ride. It really is as easy as just getting on the bike. |
| 2007-12-19 10:22 AM in reply to: #1109404 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full JChristoff - 2007-12-19 9:04 AM maggyruth - 2007-12-19 8:31 AM 20 miles on the bike still kills me! 20 miles killed me until this year. I am still a little intimidated by 40 and 50 mile distances. I think it is all relative and your perception changes once you experience it. I was fearful of 10k until I ran it in training and now can run it regularly I was scared of 13.1 but after running 10... adding a 5k on top of it seemed doable. I just have never really gone that long on a ride ever. I think my longest stands just around 48. I know I am going to need to really work hard on my cycling this year in order to be ready for the HIM. I am really nervous about it. Am I ready? Do I have enough base? Should I wait another year? I really have no clue but I do have a big part of me that wants to try it. Snoog-good on ya for respecting the distance and knowing that your body might not be at the point where you're ready for an HIM. Yeah, there are people out there who can do an HIM first season. Good for them. I'm not aiming for one until my 3rd season. I prefer training smart over training hard. Don't care if I CAN do it, I want to be smart about it... I think beyond 20 you will find nutrition is key though everyone is different. Dont be afraid to throw the bike in the ditch and swear and walk off the sore quads too if it happens. Not that it has ever happened to me. Ya know, I just entered the sport with no growing pains and all |
| 2007-12-19 11:29 AM in reply to: #1109544 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full |
| 2007-12-19 12:09 PM in reply to: #1109606 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full jszat - 2007-12-19 11:22 AM I think beyond 20 you will find nutrition is key though everyone is different. Dont be afraid to throw the bike in the ditch and swear and walk off the sore quads too if it happens. Not that it has ever happened to me. Ya know, I just entered the sport with no growing pains and all Oh I am ready for that. I just have been mapping out longer rides in my area trying to get a good 50 mile route. I probably chart out a 60 miler too huh? Now that I am going to have a trainer I will definately be making friends with my bike. I plan on my fair share of T.I.T.S. My wife has already named it too. Trainer = Hans, wheel block = Frans Edited by JChristoff 2007-12-19 12:09 PM |
| 2007-12-20 10:22 AM in reply to: #1093982 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full not really putting anything in here, just wanted to move our thread up some on the list...........................back to work people!!
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| 2007-12-20 10:50 AM in reply to: #1109830 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full JChristoff - 2007-12-19 12:09 PM jszat - 2007-12-19 11:22 AM I think beyond 20 you will find nutrition is key though everyone is different. Dont be afraid to throw the bike in the ditch and swear and walk off the sore quads too if it happens. Not that it has ever happened to me. Ya know, I just entered the sport with no growing pains and all Oh I am ready for that. I just have been mapping out longer rides in my area trying to get a good 50 mile route. I probably chart out a 60 miler too huh? Now that I am going to have a trainer I will definately be making friends with my bike. I plan on my fair share of T.I.T.S. My wife has already named it too. Trainer = Hans, wheel block = FransHere is a nice little trick if your sense of direction is ok- dont chart out the whole route. Get your azz lost a little bit and see where the road takes ya. Might be a good route you find, might suck but make sure you take lots of stuff in case ya get out in the boons. Good way to but some extra miles on without being so focused on time. |
| 2007-12-20 12:25 PM in reply to: #1111573 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full jszat - 2007-12-20 10:50 AM JChristoff - 2007-12-19 12:09 PM jszat - 2007-12-19 11:22 AM I think beyond 20 you will find nutrition is key though everyone is different. Dont be afraid to throw the bike in the ditch and swear and walk off the sore quads too if it happens. Not that it has ever happened to me. Ya know, I just entered the sport with no growing pains and all Oh I am ready for that. I just have been mapping out longer rides in my area trying to get a good 50 mile route. I probably chart out a 60 miler too huh? Now that I am going to have a trainer I will definately be making friends with my bike. I plan on my fair share of T.I.T.S. My wife has already named it too. Trainer = Hans, wheel block = FransHere is a nice little trick if your sense of direction is ok- dont chart out the whole route. Get your azz lost a little bit and see where the road takes ya. Might be a good route you find, might suck but make sure you take lots of stuff in case ya get out in the boons. Good way to but some extra miles on without being so focused on time. yeah, and if you do this with Jszat around, you will be sure to find some hills (and not little rollers either...............)
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| 2007-12-20 12:37 PM in reply to: #1111573 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full jszat - 2007-12-20 11:50 AM JChristoff - 2007-12-19 12:09 PM jszat - 2007-12-19 11:22 AM I think beyond 20 you will find nutrition is key though everyone is different. Dont be afraid to throw the bike in the ditch and swear and walk off the sore quads too if it happens. Not that it has ever happened to me. Ya know, I just entered the sport with no growing pains and all Oh I am ready for that. I just have been mapping out longer rides in my area trying to get a good 50 mile route. I probably chart out a 60 miler too huh? Now that I am going to have a trainer I will definately be making friends with my bike. I plan on my fair share of T.I.T.S. My wife has already named it too. Trainer = Hans, wheel block = FransHere is a nice little trick if your sense of direction is ok- dont chart out the whole route. Get your azz lost a little bit and see where the road takes ya. Might be a good route you find, might suck but make sure you take lots of stuff in case ya get out in the boons. Good way to but some extra miles on without being so focused on time. I did that a little bit this year... I plan on doing it a little bit more next. I also plan on taking my bike with me to the in-laws where they have good hills and maybe take a couple adventures out of town to scout out the HIM course. Here in central Ohio we don't really have much when it comes to topography so riding hills is not a huge priority but I do understand the benefits to your engine when you do repeats or ride for hitting the most hills possible. |
| 2007-12-20 12:53 PM in reply to: #1111800 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full djdavey - 2007-12-20 12:25 PM jszat - 2007-12-20 10:50 AM JChristoff - 2007-12-19 12:09 PM jszat - 2007-12-19 11:22 AM I think beyond 20 you will find nutrition is key though everyone is different. Dont be afraid to throw the bike in the ditch and swear and walk off the sore quads too if it happens. Not that it has ever happened to me. Ya know, I just entered the sport with no growing pains and all Oh I am ready for that. I just have been mapping out longer rides in my area trying to get a good 50 mile route. I probably chart out a 60 miler too huh? Now that I am going to have a trainer I will definately be making friends with my bike. I plan on my fair share of T.I.T.S. My wife has already named it too. Trainer = Hans, wheel block = FransHere is a nice little trick if your sense of direction is ok- dont chart out the whole route. Get your azz lost a little bit and see where the road takes ya. Might be a good route you find, might suck but make sure you take lots of stuff in case ya get out in the boons. Good way to but some extra miles on without being so focused on time. yeah, and if you do this with Jszat around, you will be sure to find some hills (and not little rollers either...............)
I forgot if you ever got to ride the New Berlin 35 miler I patched together? If you havent, I will show ya as it is great MOO training. The hills are alive....with the sound of donkey!!!! |
| 2007-12-20 1:18 PM in reply to: #1111851 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full jszat - 2007-12-20 1:53 PM I forgot if you ever got to ride the New Berlin 35 miler I patched together? If you havent, I will show ya as it is great MOO training. The hills are alive....with the sound of donkey!!!! I'd have to train for months to be able to hang on one of your training rides. I can't even imagine the DTC action. |
| 2007-12-20 1:27 PM in reply to: #1111851 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full jszat - 2007-12-20 12:53 PM djdavey - 2007-12-20 12:25 PM jszat - 2007-12-20 10:50 AM JChristoff - 2007-12-19 12:09 PM jszat - 2007-12-19 11:22 AM I think beyond 20 you will find nutrition is key though everyone is different. Dont be afraid to throw the bike in the ditch and swear and walk off the sore quads too if it happens. Not that it has ever happened to me. Ya know, I just entered the sport with no growing pains and all Oh I am ready for that. I just have been mapping out longer rides in my area trying to get a good 50 mile route. I probably chart out a 60 miler too huh? Now that I am going to have a trainer I will definately be making friends with my bike. I plan on my fair share of T.I.T.S. My wife has already named it too. Trainer = Hans, wheel block = FransHere is a nice little trick if your sense of direction is ok- dont chart out the whole route. Get your azz lost a little bit and see where the road takes ya. Might be a good route you find, might suck but make sure you take lots of stuff in case ya get out in the boons. Good way to but some extra miles on without being so focused on time. yeah, and if you do this with Jszat around, you will be sure to find some hills (and not little rollers either...............)
I forgot if you ever got to ride the New Berlin 35 miler I patched together? If you havent, I will show ya as it is great MOO training. The hills are alive....with the sound of donkey!!!! think we did some of it............kicked my a$$..........but next time i will be in better shape!!!
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| 2007-12-20 1:27 PM in reply to: #1111908 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full JChristoff - 2007-12-20 1:18 PM jszat - 2007-12-20 1:53 PM I forgot if you ever got to ride the New Berlin 35 miler I patched together? If you havent, I will show ya as it is great MOO training. The hills are alive....with the sound of donkey!!!! I'd have to train for months to be able to hang on one of your training rides. I can't even imagine the DTC action. Nah, there is a lot of low end base work going on two. Ya shouldnt hammer everything you do or you are missing the endurance sweet spot. I have said it before, the sport isnt rocket science. Just look at the miles the past two years. You can get where ya want if you just keep getting in the miles. Nothing too sexy. |
| 2007-12-20 1:47 PM in reply to: #1111940 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Jszat's Group- full jszat - 2007-12-20 2:27 PM Nah, there is a lot of low end base work going on two. Ya shouldnt hammer everything you do or you are missing the endurance sweet spot. I have said it before, the sport isnt rocket science. Just look at the miles the past two years. You can get where ya want if you just keep getting in the miles. Nothing too sexy. Hear you... I am hoping to get a lot more miles in this year. I have a really good feeling about this season, more so now that I have/will get a trainer. I have the tools I just need the consistency. Oh, and not be worried/anxious/scared of the HIM distance. |
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