Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) (Page 401)

I used Livestrong a few years ago when I was trying to lose a BUNCH of weight. Worked pretty well. I'm looking at it in the App Store and there is a cloud where the price would normally be. What the heck is that about?

ETA: DS2 says that means I bought it already. Hmph, who knew

I used Livestrong a few years ago when I was trying to lose a BUNCH of weight. Worked pretty well. I'm looking at it in the App Store and there is a cloud where the price would normally be. What the heck is that about?

ETA: DS2 says that means I bought it already. Hmph, who knew

I'm kind of in the same boat as Ben. I want to get faster.  I went out on a limb in COJ a few weeks ago and laid out some pretty specific goals, but in thinking about goal setting more, I'm not sure that's how I should be framing things in my mind.  What I said it COJ is that I would like to qualify for Worlds in both the Oly and 70.3 distances (I have specific goal times for these in my head, though others have cautioned me against this.  I can't help it.) and qualify for Boston. 

Any one of those things would be a significant "reach" for me, but all three would be a coup. I am turning 40 next year, mid life crisis, party of one...

In thinking about these goals more, I am thinking I should reframe them a bit, as I could have good tri races for me, but still not qualify, depending on who shows up.  It would be silly to be bent out of shape about that.  So, I'm going to try to get faster, and hopefully that will result in me placing well in my races--aging up won't hurt either

To do this I need to do a few things:

• Be consistent in all three sports.
• Be very careful about doing non SBR things that build lean body mass.
• Be careful with my diet and see where my body weight gravitates while properly fueling for training but not over indulging.  I "think" I would be faster if I could lose 10lbs, but I have never been that light in my adult life and I don't know if that's realistic.  I probably need to do better meal and snack planning to support this goal.
• I need to be better about my sleep.  I need to make this a priority for recovery, sickness prevention, and stress reduction.
• I need to remember to have a purpose for each training session.  Salty, this was such a gift you gave me.  Thank you. xo.
• Try to do these things while minimizing the impact on my family.

I'm kind of in the same boat as Ben. I want to get faster.  I went out on a limb in COJ a few weeks ago and laid out some pretty specific goals, but in thinking about goal setting more, I'm not sure that's how I should be framing things in my mind.  What I said it COJ is that I would like to qualify for Worlds in both the Oly and 70.3 distances (I have specific goal times for these in my head, though others have cautioned me against this.  I can't help it.) and qualify for Boston. 

Any one of those things would be a significant "reach" for me, but all three would be a coup. I am turning 40 next year, mid life crisis, party of one...

In thinking about these goals more, I am thinking I should reframe them a bit, as I could have good tri races for me, but still not qualify, depending on who shows up.  It would be silly to be bent out of shape about that.  So, I'm going to try to get faster, and hopefully that will result in me placing well in my races--aging up won't hurt either

To do this I need to do a few things:

• Be consistent in all three sports.
• Be very careful about doing non SBR things that build lean body mass.
• Be careful with my diet and see where my body weight gravitates while properly fueling for training but not over indulging.  I "think" I would be faster if I could lose 10lbs, but I have never been that light in my adult life and I don't know if that's realistic.  I probably need to do better meal and snack planning to support this goal.
• I need to be better about my sleep.  I need to make this a priority for recovery, sickness prevention, and stress reduction.
• I need to remember to have a purpose for each training session.  Salty, this was such a gift you gave me.  Thank you. xo.
• Try to do these things while minimizing the impact on my family.

So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting.

First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu.

Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time.  Here is there info on pace teams:

PACE TEAM

We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include:

 Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30

I'm happy that you're so excited for this race, but what exactly is a half full?

Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both)

I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc.

I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)

As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. 

I'm happy that you're so excited for this race, but what exactly is a half full?

Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out  Maybe I'll talk to them, find out what corral they are in (i'm in 12, DS2 is in 6) and utilize it if it works out but not depend on it for my race day.

Thanks!!!!!!

I've used a pace group on 2 marathons.  They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time.  Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group.  Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR.  THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles.   Some of the time it was chattier than others.  I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose.  Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time.

The PR pacing is kinda what I was looking for. The group might help push me as well.

Just curious, a 5 minute difference is quite a bit. Was the 2:20 just a ball park? 

It was. My stand alone HM PR is 2:21:XX so that's what I based on. I signed up in April when I was just coming off of O'side. I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much?

It was. My stand alone HM PR is 2:21:XX so that's what I based on. I signed up in April when I was just coming off of O'side. I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much?

Given that information, I would say it's a very realistic goal. 

OK, seriously, Salty:

I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much?

She did a training run of 12.13 in 1:58?  If you didn't know anything else but that, what would you say she should pace for?