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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by switch Originally posted by rrrunner All this talk of logging food is making me feel compelled to confess:Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 TJ, I set mine up at 2750, with a +/- of 275. That way, I can see that I am on target most days and if I go over that, it shows up in the red. I don't recall seeing the Pink color on there. There is the break down graph as well, proteins, carbs and fats, but I see no pink color on it either. Did you find the "Activity Level" field? I found I really had to play with it to get familiar with it and feel it is useful. And I only track when I "Need" to, which is now, for example. Am I the only one who ends up posting a blank message about 1/2 the time when I hit enter to start a new line? Anyway... maybe I should use a more specific nutrition program to get the detail I "need" right now Only you can answer that. What are you after from a logging and reporting standpoint? My use of these sort of things is limited to BCBS and BT. BCBS sux, big time, BTW. I used Livestrong a few years ago when I was trying to lose a BUNCH of weight. Worked pretty well. I'm looking at it in the App Store and there is a cloud where the price would normally be. What the heck is that about? ETA: DS2 says that means I bought it already. Hmph, who knew I just ate close to 1300 calories at lunch, 470 of which were an ice cream sandwich between two chocolate chip cookies. Sad part? I'm still kinda hungry ;P Swimming make me want to eat my arm. Aaaand? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 |
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by switch Originally posted by rrrunner All this talk of logging food is making me feel compelled to confess:Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 TJ, I set mine up at 2750, with a +/- of 275. That way, I can see that I am on target most days and if I go over that, it shows up in the red. I don't recall seeing the Pink color on there. There is the break down graph as well, proteins, carbs and fats, but I see no pink color on it either. Did you find the "Activity Level" field? I found I really had to play with it to get familiar with it and feel it is useful. And I only track when I "Need" to, which is now, for example. Am I the only one who ends up posting a blank message about 1/2 the time when I hit enter to start a new line? Anyway... maybe I should use a more specific nutrition program to get the detail I "need" right now Only you can answer that. What are you after from a logging and reporting standpoint? My use of these sort of things is limited to BCBS and BT. BCBS sux, big time, BTW. I used Livestrong a few years ago when I was trying to lose a BUNCH of weight. Worked pretty well. I'm looking at it in the App Store and there is a cloud where the price would normally be. What the heck is that about? ETA: DS2 says that means I bought it already. Hmph, who knew I just ate close to 1300 calories at lunch, 470 of which were an ice cream sandwich between two chocolate chip cookies. Sad part? I'm still kinda hungry ;P Swimming make me want to eat my arm. Great. Now I'm hungry. Running makes me want to eat a house.
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Edited by Asalzwed 2013-10-04 3:35 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by amd723 Ha! Thanks for asking her. Sounds like a great race, Mel. Your enthusiasm bubbleth over Originally posted by melbo55 I am getting very pumped for my race. Masters has me in a good swimming place mentally, and I biked to Gretna then rode the GTN course Sunday (read:hilly similar to Half Full race course) which has me in a good mental biking place and I’m OK with the run, too. The weather has me excited (hey, it won't be 40 degrees and raining) and getting to have other friends around racing and spectating is getting me amped up, too. My crazy friend Mo has a possibly partially torn ligament in her shoulder (not labral tear as they first thought) and is determined to race. Personally I really don’t see the sense in risking further damage and pain, but whatever, it’s her arm! I'm happy that you're so excited for this race, but what exactly is a half full? ![]() |
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by switch I'm kind of in the same boat as Ben. I want to get faster. I went out on a limb in COJ a few weeks ago and laid out some pretty specific goals, but in thinking about goal setting more, I'm not sure that's how I should be framing things in my mind. What I said it COJ is that I would like to qualify for Worlds in both the Oly and 70.3 distances (I have specific goal times for these in my head, though others have cautioned me against this. I can't help it.) and qualify for Boston. Any one of those things would be a significant "reach" for me, but all three would be a coup. I am turning 40 next year, mid life crisis, party of one... In thinking about these goals more, I am thinking I should reframe them a bit, as I could have good tri races for me, but still not qualify, depending on who shows up. It would be silly to be bent out of shape about that. So, I'm going to try to get faster, and hopefully that will result in me placing well in my races--aging up won't hurt either To do this I need to do a few things:
Something I meant to ask earlier since you seem to really be into various "World's" events, are you looking at things outside of those two? There is Nats for Long Course (70.3, really) which then goes ITU Worlds Long Course, not to be confused with WTC's World Championship. Plus others like a few duathlon distances. Sprint, Standard, Long. Long seems a bit odd as it's often similar to an oly here (10k/40k/5k), but World's is like 10k/150k/30k. She can be the world champion of all things world champion |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by switch I'm kind of in the same boat as Ben. I want to get faster. I went out on a limb in COJ a few weeks ago and laid out some pretty specific goals, but in thinking about goal setting more, I'm not sure that's how I should be framing things in my mind. What I said it COJ is that I would like to qualify for Worlds in both the Oly and 70.3 distances (I have specific goal times for these in my head, though others have cautioned me against this. I can't help it.) and qualify for Boston. Any one of those things would be a significant "reach" for me, but all three would be a coup. I am turning 40 next year, mid life crisis, party of one... In thinking about these goals more, I am thinking I should reframe them a bit, as I could have good tri races for me, but still not qualify, depending on who shows up. It would be silly to be bent out of shape about that. So, I'm going to try to get faster, and hopefully that will result in me placing well in my races--aging up won't hurt either To do this I need to do a few things:
Something I meant to ask earlier since you seem to really be into various "World's" events, are you looking at things outside of those two? There is Nats for Long Course (70.3, really) which then goes ITU Worlds Long Course, not to be confused with WTC's World Championship. Plus others like a few duathlon distances. Sprint, Standard, Long. Long seems a bit odd as it's often similar to an oly here (10k/40k/5k), but World's is like 10k/150k/30k. I don't really know much about anything--I'm now officially starting my second year of training. Lol.Seriously, the amount I don't know and don't understand is a little daunting. I don't know what the appeal of "Worlds" events are--I think it's really just the idea of working towards a time and then doing well enough in a race to qualify for the next thing. That's the competitive dork in me--I'll be happy if I get a good time, but there's something about making "the cut" which is a huge carrot in the thick of a race. I just heard about Nats for Long Course, but ITU long course? Is that a draft legal format? In which case, I would be out, as the idea of riding that way is terrifying. I think my bike (a Shiv) doesn't meet ITU standards either. OK, both of these things I kinda feel like I'm pulling out of my azz, so I could be way wrong on both counts. I've never done a DU, but I should probably try one sometime, as swimming is definitely my weakest link. the "long" Worlds DU sounds tough--10k/150k/30k. I'm probably a couple of years of base away from trying anything like that. Are you considering it? How do you pick your races, Ben? The Worlds things that are in places like France?? I'm not sure I could ever get ready to ride like that while living in Iowa
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by amd723 Ha! Thanks for asking her. Sounds like a great race, Mel. Your enthusiasm bubbleth over Originally posted by melbo55 I am getting very pumped for my race. Masters has me in a good swimming place mentally, and I biked to Gretna then rode the GTN course Sunday (read:hilly similar to Half Full race course) which has me in a good mental biking place and I’m OK with the run, too. The weather has me excited (hey, it won't be 40 degrees and raining) and getting to have other friends around racing and spectating is getting me amped up, too. My crazy friend Mo has a possibly partially torn ligament in her shoulder (not labral tear as they first thought) and is determined to race. Personally I really don’t see the sense in risking further damage and pain, but whatever, it’s her arm! I'm happy that you're so excited for this race, but what exactly is a half full? ![]() Go Melanie! I'm very excited to read this RR. We'll be thinking of you. xo! |
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by switch She can be the world champion of all things world champion Damn it, people. Can't you just let me have my mid-life crisis and train myself into the ground? For fach's sake;P Reach for the stars, my dear heh heh heh just teasing. You know I want to be just like you when I grow up, so be a good example, k? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! I've used a pace group on 2 marathons. They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time. Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group. Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR. THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles. Some of the time it was chattier than others. I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose. Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by melbo55 Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by melbo55 I am getting very pumped for my race. Masters has me in a good swimming place mentally, and I biked to Gretna then rode the GTN course Sunday (read:hilly similar to Half Full race course) which has me in a good mental biking place and I’m OK with the run, too. The weather has me excited (hey, it won't be 40 degrees and raining) and getting to have other friends around racing and spectating is getting me amped up, too. My crazy friend Mo has a possibly partially torn ligament in her shoulder (not labral tear as they first thought) and is determined to race. Personally I really don’t see the sense in risking further damage and pain, but whatever, it’s her arm! I'm happy that you're so excited for this race, but what exactly is a half full? Half Full is the name of the race - Rev3 Half Full. Rev3 donates their people, equipment and services (totally free) to help put on the race to raise money for Ulman Cancer Fund for Young Adults. Half Full refers to 'glass half full' or optimism [of beating cancer]. The 70 miles of the half distance race, also taking place the same day/time, represents the 70,000 young adults diagnosed with cancer each year. The race features survivors racing as well as cheering racers on as they start and finish the race. Very powerful, moving, inspiring race. I'm racing as part of Team Fight which raises money for the UCF via fundraising and we race with their kits, etc. That's great! So, are you doing the half distance or is there another distance offered as well. Sorry if I missed this discussion elsewhere!! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! I've used a pace group on 2 marathons. They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time. Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group. Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR. THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles. Some of the time it was chattier than others. I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose. Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time. The PR pacing is kinda what I was looking for. The group might help push me as well. |
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! I've used a pace group on 2 marathons. They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time. Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group. Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR. THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles. Some of the time it was chattier than others. I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose. Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time. The PR pacing is kinda what I was looking for. The group might help push me as well. Just curious, a 5 minute difference is quite a bit. Was the 2:20 just a ball park? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! I've used a pace group on 2 marathons. They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time. Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group. Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR. THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles. Some of the time it was chattier than others. I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose. Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time. The PR pacing is kinda what I was looking for. The group might help push me as well. Just curious, a 5 minute difference is quite a bit. Was the 2:20 just a ball park? It was. My stand alone HM PR is 2:21:XX so that's what I based on. I signed up in April when I was just coming off of O'side. I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much? Edited by rrrunner 2013-10-04 4:18 PM |
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! I've used a pace group on 2 marathons. They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time. Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group. Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR. THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles. Some of the time it was chattier than others. I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose. Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time. The PR pacing is kinda what I was looking for. The group might help push me as well. Just curious, a 5 minute difference is quite a bit. Was the 2:20 just a ball park? It was. My stand alone HM PR is 2:21:XX so that's what I based on. I signed up in April when I was just coming off of O'side. I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much? Given that information, I would say it's a very realistic goal. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! I've used a pace group on 2 marathons. They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time. Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group. Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR. THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles. Some of the time it was chattier than others. I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose. Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time. The PR pacing is kinda what I was looking for. The group might help push me as well. Just curious, a 5 minute difference is quite a bit. Was the 2:20 just a ball park? It was. My stand alone HM PR is 2:21:XX so that's what I based on. I signed up in April when I was just coming off of O'side. I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much? Given that information, I would say it's a very realistic goal. Yay! Happy dance!!! |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Asalzwed What am I missing? Was your long run on similar terrain to the race? You got aid stations, you got race adrenaline, you got some miles under your belt, and a little tapa'-- cough2:08cough. Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! I've used a pace group on 2 marathons. They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time. Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group. Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR. THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles. Some of the time it was chattier than others. I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose. Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time. The PR pacing is kinda what I was looking for. The group might help push me as well. Just curious, a 5 minute difference is quite a bit. Was the 2:20 just a ball park? It was. My stand alone HM PR is 2:21:XX so that's what I based on. I signed up in April when I was just coming off of O'side. I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much? Given that information, I would say it's a very realistic goal. |
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by switch Originally posted by Asalzwed What am I missing? Was your long run on similar terrain to the race? You got aid stations, you got race adrenaline, you got some miles under your belt, and a little tapa'-- cough2:08cough. Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by rrrunner So the email came in from RnR Denver with all the final detail stuff. I'm pretty stoked but still trying to not get my hopes up in case I can't go. There were a couple things I found interesting. First was thatthe aid station with Gu is at 10.7 for a HM?! Guess I'll be bringing my own Gu. Next was the "pace teams". I was thinking of trying to follow a pacer for 2:15. Never done that before but not sure how that would work since I signed up for a 2:20 time. Here is there info on pace teams:
PACE TEAM We’ve partnered with Runner’s Edge of the Rockies to provide the Official Pace Team for the race. Experienced pacers will help you reach the finish line at your goal time. Pace Teams are FREE and open to all participants. Visit the Runner’s Edge of the Rockies booth at the Expo to join a Pace Team. Pace groups offered include: Half Marathon: 1:30, 1:40, 1:50, 2:00, 2:15, and 2:30 Pacers generally have some way of identifying themselves (sometime they carry a flag, sometimes it's on a shirt or both) I've never seen a race where you have to "register" with a pace team. You just catch up to them (or start with them) and run with them. So, your projected finishing time was probably just to put you in the correct starting coral. However, often they are at the expo (as noted above) and you can chat with the leaders about their strategy etc. I am guessing the 2:15 and 2:20 will be in the same corral, but if for some reason they are not, the paces are similar enough you will catch up with them naturally (unless the corral starts obscenely later, but I doubt it)
As for actually using a pace team? I can't say a solid yes or a solid no. I often see pace teams NOT hit their pace and I often see them running really inconsistently, as the pacers are human, just like you and I. There is also the element of running as a pack, that can be advantageous but it can also be challenging and a little intimidating. If you don't have any experience with this, you may want to get some before the race or wait until another time to run with a pace group. Mmmmm. Good points. I guess I thought of them as some brilliant runner that has it all figured out Thanks!!!!!! I've used a pace group on 2 marathons. They did ask that people sign up for both, but it was not a mandatory thing and I did not sign up either time. Both times the pacers were really conscience of the pace and had target times written down. The first time I ran I stayed with the group until about mile 19 and then, since I was feeling ok, picked up the pace and finished about 4-5 minutes ahead of the group. Pacer was cool with people doing that and talked about how to use the group to something like that to get a PR. THe group itself was nice to run with as it gave you people to chat with over the long miles. Some of the time it was chattier than others. I saw the group come in and spoke to some of the runners and they seem to have hit their time on the nose. Second time, I bailed on the marathon as I was apparently not over the crud I had picked up a few days before and ran a 14 miler, so I can't comment on how the pacer hit or didn't hit the goal time. The PR pacing is kinda what I was looking for. The group might help push me as well. Just curious, a 5 minute difference is quite a bit. Was the 2:20 just a ball park? It was. My stand alone HM PR is 2:21:XX so that's what I based on. I signed up in April when I was just coming off of O'side. I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much? Given that information, I would say it's a very realistic goal. goddammitelesa! (add that to the dictionary, please) |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OK, seriously, Salty: I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much? She did a training run of 12.13 in 1:58? If you didn't know anything else but that, what would you say she should pace for? |
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by switch OK, seriously, Salty: I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much? She did a training run of 12.13 in 1:58? If you didn't know anything else but that, what would you say she should pace for? I'd have a lot of questions before I would give her an exact pace. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Asalzwed damnresponsiblesmartypants :)Originally posted by switch OK, seriously, Salty: I did my last long run (12.13) in 1:58:08 and my shorter runs have been in the 9min/mile range so I'd like to push for the 2:15. Too much? She did a training run of 12.13 in 1:58? If you didn't know anything else but that, what would you say she should pace for? I'd have a lot of questions before I would give her an exact pace. |
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