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jarvy01 - 2012-01-24 9:59 AM

Thank you for the honesty and the feedback.  Yes, I think it brings up lots of interesting topics of discussion.

On a personal level, no, I do not feel like I am done with the beginner stage of running (or cycling, for that matter), so perhaps the 10% rule doesn't apply yet.  Only time will tell.  You are right to say that setting goals for time only is a bad move.  Last year, I pretty much raced 3:00 over every time goal I'd set (wanted to go 2:55 at the oly but went 2:58, wanted to go 1:55 at the HM but went 1:58), which tells me that my time goals aren't too farfetched - yet.  If I want to go 1:45, then I'll probably go 1:48   I feel like I am doing everything that people say to do to make me a better, stonger, faster runner.  I committed to doing barryp's program over the winter months, and I've done it 100%.  I've built up my endurance, and I've gained some muscular strength by running all those hill repeats.  Now on to the speedwork and race specific work..... 

Anyway, do we really know where our genetic potential lies?  I don't know.  Personally, I need another year or two to know if I really have potential in this sport.  If I do have potential, then I guess I should thank my parents (they're also incredibly disciplined and have great work ethic, so I ought to thank them for teachig me to work hard, too). 

Mental toughness seems to be a huge part of the sport as well.  I don't feel like you can develop mental toughness.  You either have it, or you don't.  Opinions? 

 

I completely agree with this.  I don't think you're in 10% land yet.  Honestly I think it takes a few years of consitency to get there.

Also part of being able to reach your potential is being patient.  Sometimes the most effective training isn't the most glamourous and it takes a lot to wake up and get your training done day in and day out. 



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karen26.2 - 2012-01-24 10:15 AM
jarvy01 - 2012-01-24 9:59 AM

Mental toughness seems to be a huge part of the sport as well.  I don't feel like you can develop mental toughness.  You either have it, or you don't.  Opinions? 

I agree to some extent, but also think that mental toughness has different meanings to everyone.  We had this discussion on the GA thread a couple of months ago.  What one person considers mental toughness may not be the same as another person.  Most of the discussion seemed to be around mental toughness racing.  I thought more of it during training.  There were/are days that I just don't want to do a long run, or go for a 100 mile bike ride.  But, I almost always suck it up and get it done.  To me that takes a certain level of mental toughness.  Or maybe it's just good self motivation.

Personally I think I have a lot of mental toughness when it comes to biking.  Running not so much.  Bringing it back around to racing, I will push myself a lot harder on the bike.  But running, I will only push until it's just not comfortable anymore.  Then I back off and tell myself that I don't really care what my time is.  I'm just not that competitive, I don't like pain running.

You're right.  Ask 10 people and you get 10 answers   I was talking about mental toughness on race day, but I absolutely think it's related to training days, too. 

I do this one particular cycling route out in the "country" part of the east side of Cleveland (not as many lights & fewer cars).  There is this one hill on the route that is absolutely crazy.  I mean, it's the steepest thing I've ever seen in Cleveland.  The first time I went down it, I was cruising at nearly 40 mph.  The whole time I thought, holy crap, I have to ride back up.  I ended up having to walk up half the hill (this was in early June).  I beat myself up for a week over it, thinking of the reasons why I decided to get off the bike.  Then I avoided the route until early July.  Second time I put my bike in granny gear and hauled my butt up the hill.  It was HARD, but it felt so good to have beaten the earlier version of myself.  Part of it was fitness.  The other part was will and determination.

Some of us are going to hit 99.9% of our workouts, because we're motivated for different reasons.  Motivation - discipline - competition.....and I think all of those things are part of mental toughness, but I think those things are in us.  They just make us who we are.   

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karen26.2 - 2012-01-24 10:15 AM
jarvy01 - 2012-01-24 9:59 AM

Mental toughness seems to be a huge part of the sport as well.  I don't feel like you can develop mental toughness.  You either have it, or you don't.  Opinions? 

I agree to some extent, but also think that mental toughness has different meanings to everyone.  We had this discussion on the GA thread a couple of months ago.  What one person considers mental toughness may not be the same as another person.  Most of the discussion seemed to be around mental toughness racing.  I thought more of it during training.  There were/are days that I just don't want to do a long run, or go for a 100 mile bike ride.  But, I almost always suck it up and get it done.  To me that takes a certain level of mental toughness.  Or maybe it's just good self motivation.

Personally I think I have a lot of mental toughness when it comes to biking.  Running not so much.  Bringing it back around to racing, I will push myself a lot harder on the bike.  But running, I will only push until it's just not comfortable anymore.  Then I back off and tell myself that I don't really care what my time is.  I'm just not that competitive, I don't like pain running.

Training should be tough.  Racing is the reward.

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jarvy01 - 2012-01-24 9:59 AM

Thank you for the honesty and the feedback.  Yes, I think it brings up lots of interesting topics of discussion.

On a personal level, no, I do not feel like I am done with the beginner stage of running (or cycling, for that matter), so perhaps the 10% rule doesn't apply yet.  Only time will tell.  You are right to say that setting goals for time only is a bad move.  Last year, I pretty much raced 3:00 over every time goal I'd set (wanted to go 2:55 at the oly but went 2:58, wanted to go 1:55 at the HM but went 1:58), which tells me that my time goals aren't too farfetched - yet.  If I want to go 1:45, then I'll probably go 1:48   I feel like I am doing everything that people say to do to make me a better, stonger, faster runner.  I committed to doing barryp's program over the winter months, and I've done it 100%.  I've built up my endurance, and I've gained some muscular strength by running all those hill repeats.  Now on to the speedwork and race specific work..... 

Anyway, do we really know where our genetic potential lies?  I don't know.  Personally, I need another year or two to know if I really have potential in this sport.  If I do have potential, then I guess I should thank my parents (they're also incredibly disciplined and have great work ethic, so I ought to thank them for teachig me to work hard, too). 

Mental toughness seems to be a huge part of the sport as well.  I don't feel like you can develop mental toughness.  You either have it, or you don't.  Opinions? 

 

I completely agree with this.  I don't think you're in 10% land yet.  Honestly I think it takes a few years of consitency to get there.

Also part of being able to reach your potential is being patient.  Sometimes the most effective training isn't the most glamourous and it takes a lot to wake up and get your training done day in and day out. 

I agree that the most effective training isn't the most glamourous.  Running mostly easy 6 days a week for 3-4 months wasn't quite as fun as I'd hoped it would be, but was it effective?  Absolutely.  My body feels stronger than ever, and I think it will adapt to the faster runs better than it would have before. 

2012-01-24 10:50 AM
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well, I'm signed up for an Oly on July 29th. I forgot that the race that was cancelled last year due to the fires transferred our entries to this year. Good thing FB told me that
2012-01-24 11:09 AM
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abqtj - 2012-01-24 11:50 AM well, I'm signed up for an Oly on July 29th. I forgot that the race that was cancelled last year due to the fires transferred our entries to this year. Good thing FB told me that

Exciting!  With the dry snow season is the Rockies does that effect the water levels in NM for the summer?



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kaburns1214 - 2012-01-24 10:09 AM

abqtj - 2012-01-24 11:50 AM well, I'm signed up for an Oly on July 29th. I forgot that the race that was cancelled last year due to the fires transferred our entries to this year. Good thing FB told me that

Exciting!  With the dry snow season is the Rockies does that effect the water levels in NM for the summer?

 

It may, but there's been a lot of snow in the southern part of the Rockies/northern Sangre de Cristo's. 

Our water levels have been low for over a decade, though, so I won't notice

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Another QUESTION

I am 5 weeks into 30 weeks of IM training. I am swimming 2 times a week 2500 yards each session.

At the 11 week mark Finks plan calls for swimming 3 times per week but there is no way I can fit it in for now.

When I am able to hit the open water I will add a third swim per week that will be most likely MAy is that ok?

I do have a repaired shoulder and don't know if swimming 3 times a week will tear it up or not.

Any thoughts?

2012-01-24 1:37 PM
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Regarding Mental Toughness, i am 3/4 through "Iron War"  (Story of "the Greatest Race ever" with Dave Scott and Mark Allen at 1989 Kona). I started it, but put it down before surgery, then read another book, so started this one over. Def a great read, I reccomend checking it out. They talk alot about Mental toughness and the studies done on it. They talk about how often times the brain shuts down before our muscles are actually ready to give up.  With Dave Scott and Mark Allen, the torture they put themsleves through, was related alot to their mental toughness.  Great story!!

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Gah, my energy levels are crashing and I still have 30 to 60 scheduled for the trainer.  May have something to do with Abby deciding to be persistant about every 45 minutes last night looking to get in bed with us.  It was more of a series of power naps than anything else.  Good thing she's stinkin adorable or I may have had to string her up.

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triguy1043 - 2012-01-24 1:23 PM

Another QUESTION

I am 5 weeks into 30 weeks of IM training. I am swimming 2 times a week 2500 yards each session.

At the 11 week mark Finks plan calls for swimming 3 times per week but there is no way I can fit it in for now.

When I am able to hit the open water I will add a third swim per week that will be most likely MAy is that ok?

I do have a repaired shoulder and don't know if swimming 3 times a week will tear it up or not.

Any thoughts?

What is your swim history?  Is it your limiter?  The iron distance swim is looooong.  If you're a strong swimmer, then I'd think 2 quality swims a week would be a fine way to maintain your fitness.  If you're a weaker swimmer, then I think you need the third swim.  I'm not sure about the repaired shoulder. 



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Met with Ortho today and got stitches out.  My ROM is getting better, wuicker than expected.  I think training has a lot do do with that! Still 4-6 weeks away from running or cycling/trainer.  But did get clearance to go to the gym and use the stationary bike as long as I am not leaning over and putting pressure on the shoulder.  How bad is that going to be for me? Or should I not worry about it and just take advantage of getting some volume in?
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What is your swim history?  Is it your limiter?  The iron distance swim is looooong.  If you're a strong swimmer, then I'd think 2 quality swims a week would be a fine way to maintain your fitness.  If you're a weaker swimmer, then I think you need the third swim.  I'm not sure about the repaired shoulder. 

In my first IM 11 years ago I swam 1:09 in Florida so I make it through I don't know if that is considered a limiter or not..



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rizer22 - 2012-01-24 2:24 PM Met with Ortho today and got stitches out.  My ROM is getting better, wuicker than expected.  I think training has a lot do do with that! Still 4-6 weeks away from running or cycling/trainer.  But did get clearance to go to the gym and use the stationary bike as long as I am not leaning over and putting pressure on the shoulder.  How bad is that going to be for me? Or should I not worry about it and just take advantage of getting some volume in?

 

maybe try the recumbent bike so you aren't tempted to put pressure on your shoulder? 

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triguy1043 - 2012-01-24 4:57 PM

What is your swim history?  Is it your limiter?  The iron distance swim is looooong.  If you're a strong swimmer, then I'd think 2 quality swims a week would be a fine way to maintain your fitness.  If you're a weaker swimmer, then I think you need the third swim.  I'm not sure about the repaired shoulder. 

In my first IM 11 years ago I swam 1:09 in Florida so I make it through I don't know if that is considered a limiter or not..

For a 12 hour IM, a 1:09 is not a limiter.  For a 9 hour IM, it is. 

The swim is tough because it takes quite a bit of work to realize fairly small gains, just because the swim is such a small percentage of the overall race.  I wouldn't worry about only doing 2 swims per week until the late spring.  2 swims a week is more than enough to maintain your fitness.  Now if you rip off a 9:30 at IMLP, you probably want to work on the swim before your next race.

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Agree with the others on prepping for the Ironman swim. I swam 2x a week (sometimes only 1x a week because swimming was always the first to get dropped) during base and part of my build. I did a swimming "crash course" the last 6 weeks before taper, swimming 3x a week with longer swims (4000+ yards) about once a week. I'm not fast but I'm a consistent swimmer and it ended up working out fine for me.


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rizer22 - 2012-01-24 4:24 PM Met with Ortho today and got stitches out.  My ROM is getting better, wuicker than expected.  I think training has a lot do do with that! Still 4-6 weeks away from running or cycling/trainer.  But did get clearance to go to the gym and use the stationary bike as long as I am not leaning over and putting pressure on the shoulder.  How bad is that going to be for me? Or should I not worry about it and just take advantage of getting some volume in?

I was also thinking about using a recumbent bike - still a chance to get the HR up! Keep counting down the days!

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I hate Coach Troy

Spinervals session over at Jay's house this evening. 5 of us in his garage on our trainers. Good lord did it get hot and STINK in there by the end LOL

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Morning everyone.  Heading outside to a long-ish run and then need to get a swim in this afternoon. 

Its a tough week for me logistics wise so getting everything in is somewhat of a challenge. 

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abqtj - 2012-01-24 10:11 PM

I hate Coach Troy

Spinervals session over at Jay's house this evening. 5 of us in his garage on our trainers. Good lord did it get hot and STINK in there by the end LOL

Me too, but in a good way.  It's been a while since I did any spinervals, but they are a good workout.  My problem was even though I had 3 or 4 of his DVD's, my go to was the hour long time trial.  I loved that workout, but started to say in my head what Coach Troy was going to say next, and it kind of got on my nerves.  So I switched over to Sufferfest, no talking, just crazy awesome music and cues on the screen.  If you have not tried Sufferfest, I highly recommend them.

And, when it's just me in the basement on the trainer - my husband comes in and says it smells like a locker room full of guys. Embarassed

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I guess everyone around me at work has been sick, and now I'm sick!  ERRRR!  I rarely get sick, but the last two times has been right after people at work have been sick.

I didn't get up and run this morning, so I'm going to try to run at lunch.  If that does not happen, it's a bike and run tonight.  Either way I'll get both done, it just would have been easier to accomplish if I had already done the run.



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Did anyone see the schwaggle deal of the day for 40% off the half Ironman in the Poconos for September of this year? My questions are is it a very difficult and hilly course? Also, WHY is it 40% off -can they not get people to sign up for some reason? Which brings up another question I have been meaning to ask the east coasters - what half Ironman or half Ironman distances would you recommend for a newbie? I do not think I am ready for a half Ironman distance this year (can i be?)although this deal is tempting and the race is not until September. I was thinking about putting a half Ironman distance on my schedule for next year. Thoughts?http://schwaggle.active.com/deal/5942/40-percent-off-ironman-703-pocono-mountains/~!f_indv_segment_key!~?cmp=24-4-68963-9Karen- I love the sufferfest videos too! I have a women's only one that I find really motivating!
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DDVMM - 2012-01-25 7:01 AM Did anyone see the schwaggle deal of the day for 40% off the half Ironman in the Poconos for September of this year? My questions are is it a very difficult and hilly course? Also, WHY is it 40% off -can they not get people to sign up for some reason? Which brings up another question I have been meaning to ask the east coasters - what half Ironman or half Ironman distances would you recommend for a newbie? I do not think I am ready for a half Ironman distance this year (can i be?)although this deal is tempting and the race is not until September. I was thinking about putting a half Ironman distance on my schedule for next year. Thoughts?http://schwaggle.active.com/deal/5942/40-percent-off-ironman-703-pocono-mountains/~!f_indv_segment_key!~?cmp=24-4-68963-9Karen- I love the sufferfest videos too! I have a women's only one that I find really motivating!

 

The Lake George (Big George 1/2 IM) in NY is a great race did it last year and hopefully will be back this year.

http://lgtrifestival.com/raceinfo.php

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DDVMM - 2012-01-25 8:01 AM Did anyone see the schwaggle deal of the day for 40% off the half Ironman in the Poconos for September of this year? My questions are is it a very difficult and hilly course? Also, WHY is it 40% off -can they not get people to sign up for some reason? Which brings up another question I have been meaning to ask the east coasters - what half Ironman or half Ironman distances would you recommend for a newbie? I do not think I am ready for a half Ironman distance this year (can i be?)although this deal is tempting and the race is not until September. I was thinking about putting a half Ironman distance on my schedule for next year. Thoughts?http://schwaggle.active.com/deal/5942/40-percent-off-ironman-703-pocono-mountains/~!f_indv_segment_key!~?cmp=24-4-68963-9Karen- I love the sufferfest videos too! I have a women's only one that I find really motivating!

That does seem odd to offer an IM event (even if a half) on schwaggle.

Not really east coast, more southeast - Augusta is a really great half.  Down river swim, fast rolling bike course, flat run.  It was my first half.

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Karen - feel better!!!

Up for an early trainer ride and some core work this morning.  I have an easy run scheduled for the afternoon.  Started meds for a sinus infection, so I hope to feel better within 48 hours.  Cough is still lingering.  This has been absolutely brutal!!

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