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 2010-02-15 2:58 PM in reply to: #2337428 |
Expert 759   |  Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official ThreadI think the Keene decent is the part of the course i amk most excited for. What top speeds have you guys hit on that before? |
| 2010-02-15 4:32 PM in reply to: #2674004 |
Champion 19812   MA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread dharris13 - 2010-02-15 3:58 PM I think the Keene decent is the part of the course i amk most excited for. What top speeds have you guys hit on that before? I think it is the best part of the course too. When I first went up to ride the IMLP course in '07 and decide if I would sign up for race, when I did the Keene descent I knew that I wanted to do the race as it was so much fun. I love descending fast....I think I hit upper 40s and I ride much of it in aerobars. In '08 in the rain without glasses when I go to the point my eyes kept closing to avoid the rain drops that hurt going that fast, I would hit the brakes and slowed down. I dislike braking going downhill but it was a safety issue. |
| 2010-02-15 5:47 PM in reply to: #2674004 |
Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread dharris13 - 2010-02-15 3:58 PM I think the Keene decent is the part of the course i amk most excited for. What top speeds have you guys hit on that before?
I just check my max speeds last year. Lap #1 49.7mph Lap #2 52.1mph |
 2010-02-15 7:06 PM in reply to: #2674265 |
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| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-02-15 8:08 PM Don't panic about the Keene decent... just try to practice it before the race. The swim is much more panic-causing in my opinion  Ain’t that the truth. |
| 2010-02-15 7:42 PM in reply to: #2674389 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-02-15 8:06 PM 2 years ago I flatted doing 42mph in a rain storm on a training ride on the Keene decent with my coach... not fun WOW! Good that you controlled it; that must have been a hairy ride. |
| 2010-02-15 7:55 PM in reply to: #2673903 |
| Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread gopennstate - 2010-02-15 1:53 PM tasr - 2010-02-14 9:33 PM I am no fun in person so get with Jenn (that's with 2 n's) she's a hoot but slow. Monty - 2010-02-14 9:51 PM Agree with everything Tasr said. Its funny that everyone talks about practicing hills to prepare for this course but they usually mean going up them. With the Keene descent it is just as important to practice your handling descending. Glad you liked the race report. WHAT?!!!! you agree with the slow part?!! you better watch cuz this chick is gonna kick some a$$. Glad I could provide you some training motivation on another snowy night! |
| 2010-02-15 8:07 PM in reply to: #2337428 |
| Extreme Veteran 543 South Orange | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Wait a second, why does the swim cause panic too - is it downhill also? |
| 2010-02-16 12:30 PM in reply to: #2674473 |
Master 1471 Dunedin | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread scottgreenstone - 2010-02-15 9:07 PM Wait a second, why does the swim cause panic too - is it downhill also? It's downhill AND turns bright yellow about 5-10 minutes before the start... Our tri club just got a sketch for our logo. Any thoughts? http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=196611&posts=17#M2675646 |
| 2010-02-16 3:31 PM in reply to: #2675651 |
| Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread WittyCityGirl - 2010-02-16 12:30 PM scottgreenstone - 2010-02-15 9:07 PM Wait a second, why does the swim cause panic too - is it downhill also? It's downhill AND turns bright yellow about 5-10 minutes before the start... Our tri club just got a sketch for our logo. Any thoughts? http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=196611&posts=17#M2675646 And downwind!! |
| 2010-02-16 6:46 PM in reply to: #2674473 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread scottgreenstone - 2010-02-15 9:07 PM Wait a second, why does the swim cause panic too - is it downhill also? LP is a mass start swim. I think about 2300 people in 09’. This year it could possible be 2800 people in the water in a mass start. I am a very strong swimmer with combat swimming skills and was pulled under water twice.
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| 2010-02-16 9:09 PM in reply to: #2337428 |
| Expert 759 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread wow those are some awesome sustained speeds. And no need to panic about the swim..i will be zigzagging everywhere im sure i wont even see anyone |
| 2010-02-16 9:46 PM in reply to: #2674473 |
| Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread scottgreenstone - 2010-02-15 8:07 PM Wait a second, why does the swim cause panic too - is it downhill also? Swim will be fine. At least, it can't be any worse than the algae eating snakes and dead bodies in the Ironman Wisconsin swim from this past year. |
| 2010-02-16 9:50 PM in reply to: #2676538 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread dharris13 - 2010-02-16 10:09 PM wow those are some awesome sustained speeds. And no need to panic about the swim..i will be zigzagging everywhere im sure i wont even see anyone Not sustained speeds but max speeds down hill as in the Keene descent. I am sure others could have faster. |
| 2010-02-16 9:52 PM in reply to: #2676595 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread coredump - 2010-02-16 10:46 PM scottgreenstone - 2010-02-15 8:07 PM Wait a second, why does the swim cause panic too - is it downhill also? Swim will be fine. At least, it can't be any worse than the algae eating snakes and dead bodies in the Ironman Wisconsin swim from this past year. LOL....... I don't think he as seen the Lake Placid movie.  |
| 2010-02-17 8:56 AM in reply to: #2676307 |
| Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread tasr - 2010-02-16 7:46 PM scottgreenstone - 2010-02-15 9:07 PM Wait a second, why does the swim cause panic too - is it downhill also? LP is a mass start swim. I think about 2300 people in 09’. This year it could possible be 2800 people in the water in a mass start. I am a very strong swimmer with combat swimming skills and was pulled under water twice.
describe "was pulled under water." is it someone swims over you, thus knocking you down under water for 1-3 seconds (but probably feels like 5-10 seconds), screws up your rythum (if you even have rythum at this point), and you have to settle back into your stroke. OR is it getting pulled under the water, and as you attempt to get back above the water to breath, all you see is bodies above you, and at the first few attmpets to get your head above water, you have no success, and the whole process of getting above water after getting pulled under takes 10-15 seconds, but probably feels like 30-45... because, there is a big differenece betweent he two, though both could be classified as getting pulled under the water. thanks! |
| 2010-02-17 10:02 AM in reply to: #2676307 |
| Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread tasr - 2010-02-16 6:46 PM LP is a mass start swim. I think about 2300 people in 09’. This year it could possible be 2800 people in the water in a mass start. As of right now there are 3102 names on the official participants list. They probably do get a significant amount of dropouts. Having had such a great experience in 08, I will say they know what they are doing so they get the benefit of the doubt for now. :) Edited by Monty 2010-02-17 10:04 AM |
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| Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-02-17 11:13 AM Monty - 2010-02-17 11:02 AM 1. They add on extra people with c.f. slots. 2. They add on extra people who are sponsor exemptions. (ie; people connected to ironman and sponsors). 3. They will add on up to 25 people extra from each of the races like Florida 70.3, Cali 70.3, RI 70.3 etc. People joining that late will not have as high a drop out rate as they won't want to drop the money so late if there's a good chance they can't do the race. My guess is 3,000 will start the race... The CF slots may already be factored in as they would be officially registered by now and have been sold out as well for some time. I understand there will be sponsor exemptions. Not sure what you mean by people coming from the 70.3 series? Do you win slots for LP from these series races just like Kona slots? I have not heard of this. Thanks for the info. |
| 2010-02-17 2:06 PM in reply to: #2677082 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread cusetri - 2010-02-17 9:56 AM describe "was pulled under water." is it someone swims over you, thus knocking you down under water for 1-3 seconds (but probably feels like 5-10 seconds), screws up your rythum (if you even have rythum at this point), and you have to settle back into your stroke. OR is it getting pulled under the water, and as you attempt to get back above the water to breath, all you see is bodies above you, and at the first few attmpets to get your head above water, you have no success, and the whole process of getting above water after getting pulled under takes 10-15 seconds, but probably feels like 30-45... because, there is a big differenece betweent he two, though both could be classified as getting pulled under the water. thanks! My point was to relay my experience of the swim start. Maybe I should have been more descriptive. Thanks for asking the question. I was pulled under water by the shoulder of someone swimming over me. It was during a breath cycle and it disrupted my breathing rhythm for a stroke or two. First time resulted in no water intake and I popped to the surface and continued to swim. The second time I got a good mouth full of water which I swallowed some, cleared and continued to swim. For me this was no big deal and I did not panic. |
| 2010-02-17 2:37 PM in reply to: #2677914 |
| Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread tasr - 2010-02-17 3:06 PM cusetri - 2010-02-17 9:56 AM describe "was pulled under water." is it someone swims over you, thus knocking you down under water for 1-3 seconds (but probably feels like 5-10 seconds), screws up your rythum (if you even have rythum at this point), and you have to settle back into your stroke. OR is it getting pulled under the water, and as you attempt to get back above the water to breath, all you see is bodies above you, and at the first few attmpets to get your head above water, you have no success, and the whole process of getting above water after getting pulled under takes 10-15 seconds, but probably feels like 30-45... because, there is a big differenece betweent he two, though both could be classified as getting pulled under the water. thanks! My point was to relay my experience of the swim start. Maybe I should have been more descriptive. Thanks for asking the question. I was pulled under water by the shoulder of someone swimming over me. It was during a breath cycle and it disrupted my breathing rhythm for a stroke or two. First time resulted in no water intake and I popped to the surface and continued to swim. The second time I got a good mouth full of water which I swallowed some, cleared and continued to swim. For me this was no big deal and I did not panic. thanks James! I was really curious.... to sit here and say I am not concerned about the swim would be a lie, and IMO any person going into this for the frist time should be concerned to a certain degree. no one should panic and get all jittery, but concerned in the sense of make sure you understand the situation you are going into. it seems we all will be fighting for position and space to swim, more so that we will be fighting for our lives to get air.... of course, the biggest risk to all of this is a concussion as a result of a kick to the head, which really is next to impossible to control, no matter where you start..... |
| 2010-02-17 3:36 PM in reply to: #2677990 |
| Master 1572 PA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread cusetri - 2010-02-17 3:37 PM it seems we all will be fighting for position and space to swim, more so that we will be fighting for our lives to get air.... of course, the biggest risk to all of this is a concussion as a result of a kick to the head, which really is next to impossible to control, no matter where you start..... but very possible to decrease your odds. Be smart. Start towards the right, seed yourself appropriately. If neccessary, just wait 2 minutes to start. If you're an 11 hour IMer, that's 660mins. If you're a 13 hour IMer, that's 780 mins. The percentage of time to wait 2 mins and then start, if you're not planning to KQ, is miniscule. I never once felt like I was fighting or position or space. In fact, for the draft factor, I wanted to be close to others. If you are in front of me, i seek out blue helixes & i tap toes with my fingertips like crazy...SORRY! But of course I'm going sub-1 hour on the swim, so that won't be any of you. Except Jazz, little ringer. In all seriousness, my single biggest issue on the swim was swallowing water b/c it's so choppy from all the swimmers. So when i would turn my head to breathe, the chop made it tough to take in only air. There were a couple times I thought i was going to puke b/c i'd swallowed a few mouthfuls. |
| 2010-02-17 4:46 PM in reply to: #2678122 |
| Expert 1244 New York | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread gopennstate - 2010-02-17 4:36 PM cusetri - 2010-02-17 3:37 PM it seems we all will be fighting for position and space to swim, more so that we will be fighting for our lives to get air.... of course, the biggest risk to all of this is a concussion as a result of a kick to the head, which really is next to impossible to control, no matter where you start..... but very possible to decrease your odds. Be smart. Start towards the right, seed yourself appropriately. If neccessary, just wait 2 minutes to start. If you're an 11 hour IMer, that's 660mins. If you're a 13 hour IMer, that's 780 mins. The percentage of time to wait 2 mins and then start, if you're not planning to KQ, is miniscule. I never once felt like I was fighting or position or space. In fact, for the draft factor, I wanted to be close to others. If you are in front of me, i seek out blue helixes & i tap toes with my fingertips like crazy...SORRY! But of course I'm going sub-1 hour on the swim, so that won't be any of you. Except Jazz, little ringer. In all seriousness, my single biggest issue on the swim was swallowing water b/c it's so choppy from all the swimmers. So when i would turn my head to breathe, the chop made it tough to take in only air. There were a couple times I thought i was going to puke b/c i'd swallowed a few mouthfuls. Wow. All that talk about the yellow water and now people discussing how many mouthfuls of it they swallowed. LOL. Ew... That's a good tip, though, letting 2 mins pass before starting. I will probably do this, as I'm not trying to qualify for anything except bragging rights for finishing. In most tri's, I tend to seed myself towards the right anyway. Recently, I've found myself overtaking a few folks who improperly seed themselves. Which is a fun and totally pointless ego boost. I'm not super fast, but then again, I also don't want to be stuck behind super slow swimmers either because it's hard to hit your stride when you have to keep swimming around/over people. Do you think 2 mins is a reasonable time to wait for someone who can (hopefully) maintain a just-below-2-mins-per-100-yd-average in open water? Less? More? Do you feel most folks at IMLP seed themselves properly? |
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