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gdale - 2011-01-10 9:15 PM

John, you are a master photographer!!

Techdiver - 2011-01-10 5:24 PM

Thanks you must have missed the part where I said I was an ENGINEER. (insert Engineering jokes here) I over think data ALL the time. All my non Engineering friends tell me to STOP it all the time. I have spread sheets on everything..  

You can't even begin to know how many different friends have sent me this youtube Dilbert Clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw


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Techdiver - 2011-01-10 8:24 PM

Thanks you must have missed the part where I said I was an ENGINEER. (insert Engineering jokes here) I over think data ALL the time. All my non Engineering friends tell me to STOP it all the time. I have spread sheets on everything..  

You can't even begin to know how many different friends have sent me this youtube Dilbert Clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw


As for my HR as mentioned in other post by Suzi etc.

Thanks a lot.  I use the 220-age way. I will look into the others.   RPE doesn't really work for me, I can't seem to be a judge on that and it is too subjective and change change day to day for me, or anyone probably. HR off my Garmin is right there in front of me and REAL data I can process easy and adjust.. Rather then trying to talk or sing a song while running.

Besides both my work out partner and my wife say I am not allowed to sing.

But good info I will look at the other methods. I was reading about the LT test and it really wasn't something I was WANTING to try at this point.

Thanks.. will look at it and update some things and go from there...  Getting out and running is GREAT but early on being a non-insulin diabetic I learned an important thing on HR. For me and for a few others I have spoke to now. my HR will jump 15-20 BPM almost instantly if my sugar drops down too low. I mean an INSTANT jump. I will say I have not experianced this with the cooler temps and since Loosing the weight. But it is important to me to monitor.

TrevorC - 2011-01-10 7:17 PMOff to my first grop swim at night. Ugggg. 9-10pm. Should be interesting. 5AM will come soon!! 

kkcbelle - 2011-01-10 9:58 PM


I am NOT an engineer, but I was raised by one, and I love all of the engineering geekiness about my father. I got his genes when it comes to things like loading a dishwasher -- I am soooooo good that... can fit sooo many things in, organized for easy emptying, and everything gets clean. My dishwasher anal-ness might lead to the demise of my marriage (husband gets so sick of me rearranging), but darn it I'll have lots of clean dishes when I'm all alone!! Anyway... Spreadsheets on everything? I get it. My dad has, oh gosh, I forget how many years (15? 20? 30?) of spreadsheet data on his weight -- he has battled it forever. He has it all graphed out and has daily, weekly, monthly, etc. averages. I know he has spreadsheets on a thousand other things too but this one always stands out.

TrevorC - 2011-01-10 10:17 PM Off to my first grop swim at night. Ugggg. 9-10pm. Should be interesting. 5AM will come soon!! 

fattyfatfat - 2011-01-10 10:05 PM

you should not assume garmin data is REAL data.  nothing is more REAL than what your body is telling you.

Anne! - 2011-01-10 11:18 PM

If you set your garmin up right and if you take all the right factors into consideration... your garmin data can be real enough... IHMO
 (edited for typo) 

fattyfatfat - 2011-01-10 8:20 PM
cool.    how do i set it up right?  and what factors should i take into consideration? 

Techdiver - 2011-01-10 9:49 PM Thanks again Suzy,

Ya I hope to get the RPE thing someday then I won't have to rely on my HRM as such a crutch as well.

The LT test may come at somepoint. I am open to thought if I should look at it. But just figured I am new and not sure I can pull it off. One thing I have told myself through all this, and will maintain is I will TRAIN SAFE. If that means running, riding or swimming slower or taking a few extra days off here and there.. I WILL DO IT.

I appreciate everyones input.

ryanp100 - 2011-01-11 12:26 AM


Anne, John is baiting you into an argument that you can't win.  Don't take it personally...  He does this sort of thing for a living.  Um, GPS-related stuff that is, not baiting people into arguments.  Although, come to think of it, he's pretty good at that too... 

Anne! - 2011-01-10 10:14 PM
Ooohhhh.... I LOVE spreadsheets... and data and pivot tables and regression lines and all of it!!!  I totally understand the need for the HRM, paces data, distance data.  I totally get it.  PS - I too rearrange the dishwasher on a daily basis.

ryanp100 - 2011-01-11 12:26 AM


Anne, John is baiting you into an argument that you can't win.  Don't take it personally...  He does this sort of thing for a living.  Um, GPS-related stuff that is, not baiting people into arguments.  Although, come to think of it, he's pretty good at that too... 

fattyfatfat - 2011-01-10 9:05 PM
you should not assume garmin data is REAL data.  nothing is more REAL than what your body is telling you.

sstucker - 2011-01-10 11:41 PM
Here are the fields from my spreadsheet:

Date

Time

Temp

Total Duration

WU Time

Avg Pace (min/km)

Avg Pace (min/mile)

HR lap time

Avg HR

cheers.

Anne! - 2011-01-11 7:03 AM

He he... that's okay.  I'm just saying that the data can be "real enough."  How can anyone argue with that?  Real enough for me might not be real enough for you... but if I want some numbers, I can get numbers.  If I really want to, I can even assign meaning to them.

fattyfatfat - 2011-01-11 6:55 AM

how can anyone argue with that?  well,  that's a easy argument to make with a single minded approach.  maybe a more holisitic approach would provide a more robust data set, as i suggested in the earlier post about not assuming things.  a garmin isn't going to tell you how your legs feels, if you need to eat, etc...

Techdiver - 2011-01-11 8:43 AM

So I would just appreciate people that have some constructive information to chime in. Most of this info above is NOT for debate, unless you have the same background as I do, or good medical knowledge of it. If so have it.

TrevorC - 2011-01-11 9:03 AM

Why don't you go shovel some snow?

fattyfatfat - 2011-01-11 7:07 AM

its easier just to let it melt. 

Techdiver - 2011-01-11 6:43 AM

I will bite on this.

There are so many factors that are played into this I agree, Many things that effect your HR. But this is the most tangeable data I have. Your body (well my body) is not always the best tool to tell you what is going on. As a diabetic it is often too late to tell what is going on long after it HAS gone on. So although it might be fine for you to just go on FEEL it is not fine for me. FEEL is still subjective vs quantifiable data. Ask me as an Eng I will take Quantifiable Data any day.

Ever go out for a run and at the end of a 5k route sit down on a curb 4 blocks from your own home and not no how to get home. I HAVE, when my blood sugar came crashing down on me. My only warning sign was my heart rate jumping up 15 BPM at the same effort/pace of running about 3 mins before it happened. In fact I had it happen a few times only I was prepared the next time.


Ever feel like your fine and then fall down your stairs and not no where you are in your own home. Again, I have, because I THOUGHT I knew my own body over what some glucose meter could tell me.

I rely on these tools and although someone like you might not, I HAVE to. Now with weight loss, I no longer take Metformin and my blood sugar stays in much better control. But I still need to watch my diet, proper foods for me, eat every 2 hours in small amounts, an Carry Gels on all workouts and every time I scuba dive.

Funny though Body Temperature Regulation plays more of an effect on bloodsugar then the physical work out does. Same run today will have zero effect on my blood sugar, but do the same run, pace etc on a HOT day and my blood sugar will drop like mad burning up to try and control my core temps.

So John I really appreciate your points and where you come from. It just doesn't work for me. By the Time my Body TELLS me. It may be too late.

I was lucky my neighbor stopped that day I was sitting on the curb lost 4 blocks from home. I was also lucky she had an orange juice with her that I drank and that she took me home and watched me while I ate and tested my blood sugars for the next 2 hours ever 15 mins. (ps my good friend made me buy a RoadID, which I wear at all times)

So I would just appreciate people that have some constructive information to chime in. Most of this info above is NOT for debate, unless you have the same background as I do, or good medical knowledge of it. If so have it.

I am happy to say that Triathlons, running and 50 lbs of weight loss has Mitigated most of this, but I am not going to kid myself and not watch all the data I can to ensure I don't hurt myself.

I do the same thing when I am scuba diving 300 feet underwater or 5000 feet back in an underwater cave.

Did I mention I load my dishwasher to max capacity