Bernie Sanders Thread (Page 5)

Like I said, only left wing thing.

You are insulted by everything and everyone because you buy into the PC culture, I am not.  The simple uninformed and prejudicial statement of it only being white christian people is laughable.

You like to think that when Trump speaks out against Muslims killing us he's a racist, or if he speaks out against illegal immigration he's a racist, because he treats women equally and bags on them he's a sexist.  Is it just me, or are you being sexist by treating women different just because they're women?

The irony of your position is how many minorities and Mexicans feel exactly the same way Trump does.  My wife and I had a young hispanic couple over to the house a few weeks back looking at puppies and the guy made a comment about my Trump sign in the front yard.  Then for the next 30 minutes he went on and on about how much him and all his friends love Trump because he's willing to say it like it is.  He felt illegal immigration was a HUGE problem in America.  I guess I should call him back and let him know that he needs to be more politically correct.

Isn't that how we all are?  

I know you don't believe me, but I'm exactly the same way.  I'd say you probably have a heavier influence on one side and I have a heavier influence on the other, but we both have pretty broad bases of people we know from all different walks of life.

So, do the people you know who are from these different walks of life know that you don't consider them to be regular folks?

The only way Trump doesn't get the nomination is if he loses in the delegate count.  There is zero chance of a brokered convention.  zero zip nada

Well...never forget that the RNC makes the rules and the RNC change the rules. Which is exactly what they did four years ago to make sure that future fringe candidates can't cause the ruckus that Ron Paul did going in to the 2012 convention. In the past, a candidate needed to have a plurality of delegates from at least five states (Paul had plurality in 6) to be eligible for nomination. They changed their rule so that this year a candidate needs to have a majority of delegates from at least 8 states (Paul only had a majority in 3) to be nominated to the floor vote. The purpose was to ensure that the establisment candidate is the only one getting to the vote.

Bear with me here, this is gonna get a little bit long. The RNC requires that the 38 states with primaries/caucuses before March 15 distribute their delegates proportionately based on the votes. Therefore, as long as four or five candidates stay in the race for another month, it is extremely unilkely that any candidate will be winning the majority of delegates in states prior to 3/15 (Trump is short of a majority in NH, Cruz didn't even come close in IA). The remaining states voting after 3/15 are allowed to use a winner-take-all strategy for delegates. Some are choosing to, some are sticking with a proportionate distribution.

Right now, if no one is able to secure a majority in at least 8 states, then by the rules no one is eligible to be nominated and there will be a brokered convention where anything can happen. So as it stands, there is absolutely no reason for any of the big name candidates to drop out of the race prior to someone locking up 8 states, assuming they can afford to stay in. Bush has the money to go the distance, Cruz and Rubio are not exactly hurting for money either. Kasich might be in a bit of trouble.  

The extra wrinkle in this is that the RNC can change their rules however they see fit prior to the start of the convention, making it easier or harder for a candidate to be eligible for nomination. Hypothetically, if Trump has a majority of overall delegates but only 5 states, and Bush is sitting at 7 states, they can lower the requirements to 7 and Bush becomes the nominee.  Or if Trump gets majorities in 10 states, they can up the requirement to 15 and force a brokered convention.  So Tony, get your tinfoil hat on and ask yourself, how far do you think the RNC will go to keep Trump off the ticket. Do they step aside and let Trump take over their party? Or do they nuke the whole process, ignore the will of their voters, and do whatever it takes to get their guy in? I honestly don't know, but for the entertainment value I really hope they blow it up. 

One more thing to keep in mind before you start stocking up on Trump '16 t-shirts. He really needs to prove himself in closed primaries before he has any chance of running away with the nomination. If Republican voters like what he's saying, than obviously this is a non-issue. But if he's pulling a good chunk of his support from independants sick of the "establishment" and/or Dems who don't like the thought of Hillary, and he isn't able to carry the GOP base, he's going to get killed in the closed primaries. 

You're like talking to Rubio.

Well...never forget that the RNC makes the rules and the RNC change the rules. Which is exactly what they did four years ago to make sure that future fringe candidates can't cause the ruckus that Ron Paul did going in to the 2012 convention. In the past, a candidate needed to have a plurality of delegates from at least five states (Paul had plurality in 6) to be eligible for nomination. They changed their rule so that this year a candidate needs to have a majority of delegates from at least 8 states (Paul only had a majority in 3) to be nominated to the floor vote. The purpose was to ensure that the establisment candidate is the only one getting to the vote.

Bear with me here, this is gonna get a little bit long. The RNC requires that the 38 states with primaries/caucuses before March 15 distribute their delegates proportionately based on the votes. Therefore, as long as four or five candidates stay in the race for another month, it is extremely unilkely that any candidate will be winning the majority of delegates in states prior to 3/15 (Trump is short of a majority in NH, Cruz didn't even come close in IA). The remaining states voting after 3/15 are allowed to use a winner-take-all strategy for delegates. Some are choosing to, some are sticking with a proportionate distribution.

Right now, if no one is able to secure a majority in at least 8 states, then by the rules no one is eligible to be nominated and there will be a brokered convention where anything can happen. So as it stands, there is absolutely no reason for any of the big name candidates to drop out of the race prior to someone locking up 8 states, assuming they can afford to stay in. Bush has the money to go the distance, Cruz and Rubio are not exactly hurting for money either. Kasich might be in a bit of trouble.  

The extra wrinkle in this is that the RNC can change their rules however they see fit prior to the start of the convention, making it easier or harder for a candidate to be eligible for nomination. Hypothetically, if Trump has a majority of overall delegates but only 5 states, and Bush is sitting at 7 states, they can lower the requirements to 7 and Bush becomes the nominee.  Or if Trump gets majorities in 10 states, they can up the requirement to 15 and force a brokered convention.  So Tony, get your tinfoil hat on and ask yourself, how far do you think the RNC will go to keep Trump off the ticket. Do they step aside and let Trump take over their party? Or do they nuke the whole process, ignore the will of their voters, and do whatever it takes to get their guy in? I honestly don't know, but for the entertainment value I really hope they blow it up. 

One more thing to keep in mind before you start stocking up on Trump '16 t-shirts. He really needs to prove himself in closed primaries before he has any chance of running away with the nomination. If Republican voters like what he's saying, than obviously this is a non-issue. But if he's pulling a good chunk of his support from independants sick of the "establishment" and/or Dems who don't like the thought of Hillary, and he isn't able to carry the GOP base, he's going to get killed in the closed primaries. 

Early on, I was concerned for the very reasons you mentioned.  However, a few months back I saw an interview with Reince Priebus on the topic and he was very clear and emphatic that the peoples choice will be the nominee, even if the majority number wasn't hit.
As LB mentioned, Trump has a huge wild card in that if he truly does "win" the votes but there's a rule or technicality used to give the nomination to somebody else then he's so out of there (with the majority of his supporters) that the Republicans have virtually zero chance of winning in the general.

Obviously it's not 100% that there won't be a brokered convention, but if Trump is leading nationally and has the majority of delegates then I feel there's a near zero chance he won't get the nomination.  The establishment doesn't like him, but they're not crazy.

Back on topic with Bernie, I'm kind of curious how the Democratic voters will react if things continue like they're going with the Hillary super delegates.  Can you imagine Bernie getting state after state with huge majorities, but Hillary winning the overall nomination.  Similar to Trump in the Republican party I doubt Bernies supporters would be getting excited to rally behind Hillary.

Early on, I was concerned for the very reasons you mentioned.  However, a few months back I saw an interview with Reince Priebus on the topic and he was very clear and emphatic that the peoples choice will be the nominee, even if the majority number wasn't hit.
As LB mentioned, Trump has a huge wild card in that if he truly does "win" the votes but there's a rule or technicality used to give the nomination to somebody else then he's so out of there (with the majority of his supporters) that the Republicans have virtually zero chance of winning in the general.

Obviously it's not 100% that there won't be a brokered convention, but if Trump is leading nationally and has the majority of delegates then I feel there's a near zero chance he won't get the nomination.  The establishment doesn't like him, but they're not crazy.

Back on topic with Bernie, I'm kind of curious how the Democratic voters will react if things continue like they're going with the Hillary super delegates.  Can you imagine Bernie getting state after state with huge majorities, but Hillary winning the overall nomination.  Similar to Trump in the Republican party I doubt Bernies supporters would be getting excited to rally behind Hillary.

Oh, I'm not saying it would be easy, or that it's even likely to happen. I believe that if any one candidate (including Trump) starts to run away with the delegates, the RNC will just let it  play out. And I also think Kasich and Rubio won't be around much longer, which should go a long way to clearing things up. All I'm saying is that if the RNC is truly adamently against Trump, then they have the means to stop Trump.

Nominating Trump doesn't just set the tone for this election, if he wins it lets Trump steer the direction of the GOP as far as their core values and stance on the issues goes. Or else it puts a Republican president at odds with a bunch of conservative congressmen. At this point, can you see Senator Cruz and President Trump coming together on anything?  I bet there's plenty of big money GOP donors that would prefer they just lose this election and regroup for 2020 rather than give Trump the keys to the GOP for the next 4 years. 

I do think Trump still has to prove himself in some closed primaries. Actually, I think he'll struggle with them and that will open the door for Bush (yep Bush). He's got the money to stick around to the end. And I can't see people who don't support Trump now turning towards Trump once their candidate drops out, so Bush will start to pick up the anti-Trump votes. On the other side, there's no way Hillary doesn't come out on top. Their game is rigged too. A headstart of 600-700 superdelegates sure does go a long way towards the 2,400 she needs for the nomination. I'm starting to feel the Bern, but I'm pretty sure I'll once again throw away my vote on another Libertarian candidate instead of choosing between Bush & Clinton.

You and I will both be voting Libertarian if it's Bush/Clinton.  lol

Just saw this on facebook.

I know the Obama/Bernie supporters will disagree with this point of view, but I'm curious as to why.  Where's the flaw in the logic?
https://www.facebook.com/DSouzaDinesh/videos/1295959163764069/