Bernie Sanders Thread (Page 8)

I'm not sure where the calculator is getting their numbers, but it reads funny to me.  I got a 27% rate, paying 6000 more or so....but I'm pretty sure that what my rate is already.

They got their numbers from these guys: 

http://election2016.taxpolicycenter.org/

so reading the research, I don't think it quite shows the entire picture.  but regardless, I am fine with paying more.  I believe that the Nordic countries have it right.  I dated a swede, and so I feel like I have a better understanding of their system then a lot of americans. 

this article explains it pretty well I think:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/bernie-sanders-nordic-countries/473385/

You may be fine with paying more, but do you think the average 50k income household with a child is going to be ok with paying $6,820 more?  That's a little over 3 paychecks gone that they normally would get.  Most families can't afford losing a month and a half worth of pay.

but this doesn't take into account the medical costs that would now be $0 a year.  it also doesn't take into account the potential value of these programs. that was my point with the article

That family likely has a job that is subsidizing their medicare costs.  I for example pay ~$41 per paycheck.  If the aforementioned middle class family had this same arrangement, then the free healthcare doesn't offset enough for it to matter.  They're still down ~$5,820.

That family likely has a job that is subsidizing their medicare costs.  I for example pay ~$41 per paycheck.  If the aforementioned middle class family had this same arrangement, then the free healthcare doesn't offset enough for it to matter.  They're still down ~$5,820.

That family likely has a job that is subsidizing their medicare costs.  I for example pay ~$41 per paycheck.  If the aforementioned middle class family had this same arrangement, then the free healthcare doesn't offset enough for it to matter.  They're still down ~$5,820.

Bernie supporters, help me out here.  While I am a conservative, I do glance occasionally at both Vox and ThinkProgress to see what the other side is saying.  Friday Vox posted this:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016

The calculator gives a snapshot of how each of the major candidates affect people individually using data put in about their tax plans.

I've plugged in a few different numbers: 15k for minimum wage, 50k and married with 1 child for your middle class family, and 200k for your upper class.  All of these different scenarios  give roughly the same conclusion:

With Trump and Cruz you save a good bit, with Hillary you pay about the same as you do now, and with Bernie you pay a large amount (approx 10% more) than you do now.  A person making minimum wage pays almost $1,500 a year more in taxes.  

From what I've read on reddit posts about this, the response is "but where's the savings you get from Bernie's healthcare plan".  Isn't healthcare already free under Obamacare if you're making minimum wage?  If that's true, then you're paying more for Bernie's free health care as opposed to now.  

This is my number one concern with Bernie.  I think he's a good guy, but I haven't been convinced that there's a way that his policies add up.  That is a big part of Hillary's campaign against him.

So my question for Bernie supporters is "is this calculator wrong, and if so, how?".

That family likely has a job that is subsidizing their medicare costs.  I for example pay ~$41 per paycheck.  If the aforementioned middle class family had this same arrangement, then the free healthcare doesn't offset enough for it to matter.  They're still down ~$5,820.

$41 for yourself, or for a family? If that's just for yourself, then the aforementioned family is irrelevant. If that's what it costs to cover your entire family, then wow! You have an amazing personnel department.

someone is still paying it.  in that case, its the business they are employed by.  They could now pay their employees that money potentially, or it could help businesses grow.  As much as conservatives like to say that he is anti business with these policies, in fact it reduces the burden on businesses in many ways.