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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jiggies - 2005-07-12 10:00 AM I posted my post before reading everyone elses...and i got dizzy with the insulted people talking about using the word nazi... I think its hyperbole for extremist...not equation... and its a nationally recognized hyperbole for a woman who is obsessed with being a feminist... whoa. Ok. are you kidding? saying this just to make some of us squirm? "a nationally recognized hyperbole" Are you kidding? Do you use that "nationally recognized" "hyperbole" with Jews present? Now I am dizzy. Geez louise...People cant even talk anymore that we get so jumbled up in their semantics because we cant find error with their points. No we can't talk because some people clearly have no understanding of semantics or how to form a sentence. Guys...I'm not a feminist at AALLL...And i think that feminists have it ALL BACKASSWARDS...Real feminists want to revel in what makes women women, not what makes women just like men... OK, so you are not a feminist. Duh. But somehow you know what a real feminist is? Which feminists have you read who have helped you with your understanding? ARG...I hate feminism...it deludes everything that a woman is by turning her into a testosterone grunting muscle man... hmm. I hate bigotry. and since I have no idea what you mean by "deludes" (do you mean dilutes?) I can't comment on that. Except that I am a real feminist , who is clearly not a testosterone grunting muslce man. Dont get me wrong..women are great, women are powerful and women can do MUCH...but WOMEN ARENT MEN and shouldnt be held to the same standards in the same events... YAY! Something intelligent this way comes! We aren't held to the same physical standards in the same events. Qualifying times for certian events (marathons, golf, etc) are different. I'll even go as far to say that women shouldnt have the same jobs as men... Especially jobs that protect or rescue me... Hmmm. I'd rather have renee or gwendal or sue or any number of BT women rescue me from a building than an overweight smoker of a man.. But you seem to like generalizations so... I had a feminist friend who wanted to be a firefighter, and they actually put her in the same situations as men, but LOWERED her standards for acheivement...meaning..when rescuing a person from a burning building...she only had to DRAG THEM OUT BY THEIR FEET...whereas men had to lift victims... Personally, i dont want to be dragged and women shouldnt be firefighters. Personally, and I have NEVER spoken like this to anyone on a message board, I think you are an idiot. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TripleThreat - 2005-07-12 9:03 AM That's such crap. There are plenty of man-only, white-only and youngins' only things only the exclusion is implicit rather than explicit. Yes, a few women, blacks and old folks may occasionally do these things, but they are not hospitable at all and few, if any, can stay there. What? For example, pro football is a man-only arena (I don't have a problem with that, btw.) No one says NO WOMEN ALLOWED as they say no men allowed in women's only tris, but a woman wouldn't be able to compete and there is no woman's football, so she stays out (implicit exclusion). Some women have gone so far as to play college football, and even if they could compete, they found a very inhospitable environment and could not reman there (ie, alleges of rape at CU). What I'm saying is that there are places/events that are man only, white only and young people only but no one SAYS 'women, blacks and the elderly need not apply', it's implied. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kimj81 - 2005-07-12 11:10 AM Jiggies - 2005-07-12 9:00 AM ARG...I hate feminism...it deludes everything that a woman is by turning her into a testosterone grunting muscle man... Personally, i dont want to be dragged and women shouldnt be firefighters. I'm a feminist. Do you hear me grunting or pretending like I'm a man? No. The point of feminism isn't to make women into men, but to let women be who they are as individuals. Even if you find that offensive or 'manly'. What if a woman could pick up a grown man, throw him over her shoulder and walk out? Would it still bother you? Some women can do that (not me, but I've sure known some). What if it was determined that it's was safer to leave a burning building being dragged because of smoke inhalation on a big, strapping fireman's shoulder? Makes sense that it could be. Would you still whine about being dragged by, god forbid, someone with tits? OH no way..I'm not saying that at all....Especially being a pants wearing 6' tall strong stature woman... I'm saying..the grassroots movement on feminism was "Women are as good as men" and "women can do anything as well as a man" And that is categorically denying what women are generically... Im not saying that individually there arent women who are stronger than a good many men... If China walked into my room and it were on fire, I know she could throw my 200lbs over her shoulder...trouble is...there are few women out there who have 20inch biceps and wear XXL... GENERALLY speaking women are weaker than men...you CANT deny that. |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jiggies - 2005-07-12 10:00 AM I had a feminist friend who wanted to be a firefighter, and they actually put her in the same situations as men, but LOWERED her standards for acheivement...meaning..when rescuing a person from a burning building...she only had to DRAG THEM OUT BY THEIR FEET...whereas men had to lift victims... Personally, i dont want to be dragged and women shouldnt be firefighters. I have no problem being dragged if the alternative is burning. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the bear - 2005-07-12 9:19 AM Jiggies - 2005-07-12 10:00 AM I had a feminist friend who wanted to be a firefighter, and they actually put her in the same situations as men, but LOWERED her standards for acheivement...meaning..when rescuing a person from a burning building...she only had to DRAG THEM OUT BY THEIR FEET...whereas men had to lift victims... Personally, i dont want to be dragged and women shouldnt be firefighters. I have no problem being dragged if the alternative is burning. LOL! *Applause* Reason prevails... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok heres another angle...or several. I did Danskin at Disney. Actually I didn;t like the race because I am VERY competitive and I like to race and do my best. What I did like about it is that it raises money for a great charity and it encourages people to be more active. This really is all about you can do it and finishing and not about racing. Your average alpha male..and you know who you are...is going to run over/knock down the 50 pounds over weight female competitor to get out of T1 2 seconds faster. The 7% body fat uber competitive male with his racing bike is EXTREMELY intimidating to a perhaps overweight 40 eyear old woman participating in her first athletic contest. In a society with rampant obesity ANYTHING that encourages people to be more active is good. Danskin is about women proving to themselves that they can do a tri. NOT about how fast they go. Once they start down the path of fitness and realize they CAN do this, and it becomes a lifestyle. Once they figure out its not so hard and they can do it they sign up for bigger races and thus the cycle begins. I my first tri the guys who won the race went out and decided that doing the sprint just wasn't enough exercise for one day and they had to go out and run another 5K. They passed me on their 2nd 5K of the day as I was finishing. Now even tho I did well in my first tri I felt like a huge loser and felt like they ruined my race. It was demoralizing. That would not happen in a womens only race. So give the ladies a break guys and be happy that they are getting off the couch and exercising and get to enjoy this great sport |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jiggies - 2005-07-12 9:18 AM kimj81 - 2005-07-12 11:10 AM OH no way..I'm not saying that at all....Especially being a pants wearing 6' tall strong stature woman... I'm saying..the grassroots movement on feminism was "Women are as good as men" and "women can do anything as well as a man" And that is categorically denying what women are generically... Im not saying that individually there arent women who are stronger than a good many men... If China walked into my room and it were on fire, I know she could throw my 200lbs over her shoulder...trouble is...there are few women out there who have 20inch biceps and wear XXL... GENERALLY speaking women are weaker than men...you CANT deny that.Jiggies - 2005-07-12 9:00 AM ARG...I hate feminism...it deludes everything that a woman is by turning her into a testosterone grunting muscle man... Personally, i dont want to be dragged and women shouldnt be firefighters. I'm a feminist. Do you hear me grunting or pretending like I'm a man? No. The point of feminism isn't to make women into men, but to let women be who they are as individuals. Even if you find that offensive or 'manly'. What if a woman could pick up a grown man, throw him over her shoulder and walk out? Would it still bother you? Some women can do that (not me, but I've sure known some). What if it was determined that it's was safer to leave a burning building being dragged because of smoke inhalation on a big, strapping fireman's shoulder? Makes sense that it could be. Would you still whine about being dragged by, god forbid, someone with tits? Yup, I don't have the upper body strength my boyfriend has, most girls don't. But, you are saying that there aren't more ways to skin a cat. You can only throw it over your shoulder and walk out of the building. Have you ever made up for a lack of strength by being clever? I have. And that way, I can do everything my boyfriend does. The other problem is that you said blanketly "Women shouldn't be firefighters." But now, Chyna can be one? See, that's the problem. That's why I'm a feminist. A woman shouldn't be excluded from any arena of society based on generalites of her sex. I'm a scientist and I'll admit that generally women have less scientific/math-oriented brains. That's ok, but my brain is oriented that way, therefore, I should be able to be a scientist. That's a feminist outlook. Don't take us for something we're not. Edited by kimj81 2005-07-12 11:30 AM |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kimj81 - 2005-07-12 10:21 AM the bear - 2005-07-12 9:19 AM Jiggies - 2005-07-12 10:00 AM I had a feminist friend who wanted to be a firefighter, and they actually put her in the same situations as men, but LOWERED her standards for acheivement...meaning..when rescuing a person from a burning building...she only had to DRAG THEM OUT BY THEIR FEET...whereas men had to lift victims... Personally, i dont want to be dragged and women shouldnt be firefighters. I have no problem being dragged if the alternative is burning. LOL! *Applause* Reason prevails... Thank you, thank you. We'll be here through Thursday, tips are also appreciated. Further, if, post-dragging-rescue it is discovered that I am in need of artificial rescuscitation, I would state my preference to be said female firefighter. I wouldnot, however, refuse rescuscitation from a firefighter of either gender |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have no problem being dragged if the alternative is burning. I agree. I would prefer it not to be across a splintery wooden floor, but I'll take what I can get. IMO, the point of bringing up the "being dragged" comment was that male firefighters were not allowed to drag a victim, female firefighters were. Same job, lower standards (I wonder if pay for females is lower too ... I doubt it). I would not care if a female carried me out (had a dream about that once) or if a man dragged me out. Either way, I want out. The point was about the job standards, not about whether the victim wanted to live or not. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() possum - 2005-07-12 11:15 AM Jiggies - 2005-07-12 10:00 AM I posted my post before reading everyone elses...and i got dizzy with the insulted people talking about using the word nazi... I think its hyperbole for extremist...not equation... and its a nationally recognized hyperbole for a woman who is obsessed with being a feminist... whoa. Ok. are you kidding? saying this just to make some of us squirm? "a nationally recognized hyperbole" Are you kidding? Do you use that "nationally recognized" "hyperbole" with Jews present? Now I am dizzy. Geez louise...People cant even talk anymore that we get so jumbled up in their semantics because we cant find error with their points. No we can't talk because some people clearly have no understanding of semantics or how to form a sentence. Guys...I'm not a feminist at AALLL...And i think that feminists have it ALL BACKASSWARDS...Real feminists want to revel in what makes women women, not what makes women just like men... OK, so you are not a feminist. Duh. But somehow you know what a real feminist is? Which feminists have you read who have helped you with your understanding? ARG...I hate feminism...it deludes everything that a woman is by turning her into a testosterone grunting muscle man... hmm. I hate bigotry. and since I have no idea what you mean by "deludes" (do you mean dilutes?) I can't comment on that. Except that I am a real feminist , who is clearly not a testosterone grunting muslce man. Dont get me wrong..women are great, women are powerful and women can do MUCH...but WOMEN ARENT MEN and shouldnt be held to the same standards in the same events... YAY! Something intelligent this way comes! We aren't held to the same physical standards in the same events. Qualifying times for certian events (marathons, golf, etc) are different. I'll even go as far to say that women shouldnt have the same jobs as men... Especially jobs that protect or rescue me... Hmmm. I'd rather have renee or gwendal or sue or any number of BT women rescue me from a building than an overweight smoker of a man.. But you seem to like generalizations so... I had a feminist friend who wanted to be a firefighter, and they actually put her in the same situations as men, but LOWERED her standards for acheivement...meaning..when rescuing a person from a burning building...she only had to DRAG THEM OUT BY THEIR FEET...whereas men had to lift victims... Personally, i dont want to be dragged and women shouldnt be firefighters. Personally, and I have NEVER spoken like this to anyone on a message board, I think you are an idiot. Umm...aside from punching me in the face, I've failed to see your point... Instead of picking apart my opinions can you make one of your own? Lets condense... I'll go first... Bashing aside...Womens only tri's... two options... A: Sure lets have them...but no whining when men want their own so they can scratch balls and stuff... B: Dont have them...Lets all run tri's holding hands..egalitarian style Feminism: As its been portrayed to the average person through media and my own personal interaction with self-proclaimed feminists its come across as "Just because I'm a girl doesnt mean I'm weaker and I'll do anything a man can do, even better" It might not be universal, as many of my generalizations arent...because in tearing down others opinions thats the first place argumentative people go...is to individual examples that blow generalizations out of the water. Fine...Its general... I say...that attitude in particular is crap in general... That all I'm saying... And good grief its philosophy. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kimj81 - 2005-07-12 11:26 AM Jiggies - 2005-07-12 9:18 AM kimj81 - 2005-07-12 11:10 AM OH no way..I'm not saying that at all....Especially being a pants wearing 6' tall strong stature woman... I'm saying..the grassroots movement on feminism was "Women are as good as men" and "women can do anything as well as a man" And that is categorically denying what women are generically... Im not saying that individually there arent women who are stronger than a good many men... If China walked into my room and it were on fire, I know she could throw my 200lbs over her shoulder...trouble is...there are few women out there who have 20inch biceps and wear XXL... GENERALLY speaking women are weaker than men...you CANT deny that.Jiggies - 2005-07-12 9:00 AM ARG...I hate feminism...it deludes everything that a woman is by turning her into a testosterone grunting muscle man... Personally, i dont want to be dragged and women shouldnt be firefighters. I'm a feminist. Do you hear me grunting or pretending like I'm a man? No. The point of feminism isn't to make women into men, but to let women be who they are as individuals. Even if you find that offensive or 'manly'. What if a woman could pick up a grown man, throw him over her shoulder and walk out? Would it still bother you? Some women can do that (not me, but I've sure known some). What if it was determined that it's was safer to leave a burning building being dragged because of smoke inhalation on a big, strapping fireman's shoulder? Makes sense that it could be. Would you still whine about being dragged by, god forbid, someone with tits? Yup, I don't have the upper body strength my boyfriend has, most girls don't. But, you are saying that there aren't more ways to skin a cat. You can only throw it over your shoulder and walk out of the building. Have you ever made up for a lack of strength by being clever? I have. And that way, I can do everything my boyfriend does. The other problem is that you said blanketly "Women shouldn't be firefighters." But now, Chyna can be one? See, that's the problem. That's why I'm a feminist. A woman shouldn't be excluded from any arena of society based on generalites of her sex. I'm a scientist and I'll admit that generally women have less scientific/math-oriented brains. That's ok, but my brain is oriented that way, therefore, I should be able to be a scientist. That's a feminist outlook. Don't take us for something we're not. Then this is where society in general breaks down...because Strawberry Shortcake can be a firefighter by lowering the standards so as not to be discriminatory...and thats the dangerous line i dont want to cross... |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Stick to the topic. If you want to discuss women in the fire service then start a new thread and I'll share some female firefighter success stories that'll shut you the hell up. Otherwise stick to the tri topic. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jiggies - 2005-07-12 9:32 AM Then this is where society in general breaks down...because Strawberry Shortcake can be a firefighter by lowering the standards so as not to be discriminatory...and thats the dangerous line i dont want to cross... Whoa, whoa, whoa, if you're a 92-lb weakling of a man with no endurance, are you gonna get a job as a firefighter, NO! So, neither will 'Strawberry Shortcake'. There's no breakdown in society when Chyna's a firefighter! That's a very alarmist and downright delusional point of view. |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the bear - 2005-07-12 10:37 AM Sorry chickadee, but your "exclusivity" has been breached. Yours truly is wearing a Land's End CLEAR PINK dress shirt with his slate gray suit this morning. And I don't feel the least bit girly. Bear, it's ChickiePoo (not Dee). It takes a real man to get in touch with his inner-woman and wear PINK. I am impressed. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Umm...aside from punching me in the face, I've failed to see your point... Instead of picking apart my opinions can you make one of your own? Lets condense... I'll go first... Bashing aside...Womens only tri's... two options... A: Sure lets have them...but no whining when men want their own so they can scratch balls and stuff... B: Dont have them...Lets all run tri's holding hands..egalitarian style I went first. see page 1. Feminism: As its been portrayed to the average person through media and my own personal interaction with self-proclaimed feminists its come across as "Just because I'm a girl doesnt mean I'm weaker and I'll do anything a man can do, even better" It might not be universal, as many of my generalizations arent...because in tearing down others opinions thats the first place argumentative people go...is to individual examples that blow generalizations out of the water. Fine...Its general... I say...that attitude in particular is crap in general... That all I'm saying... And good grief its philosophy. Actually, most people, when philosophizing, try NOT to generalize, they try to understand and explain the causes of things. I am not usually considered argumentative. LOok around this site and find where I have ever "punched anyone in the face" (not that it would hurt you since I have weak biceps) Usually I try very hard to discuss rather than argue. But some of what you said was so totally infalmmatory and offensive, I lost control. I apologize. I did not mean to tear down your opinion (opinions are OK, each is entitled to own) I did mean to tear down your genrealizations, which, as many others have pouinted out, will get you into trouble. Especially if you are in a burning building and Rick Moranis or Danny Devito is the man you'd rather have save you than Kim or Whizz or Venus Williams... If you are relying on the media to define things for you (see above,) well then, this conversation is over, as we are not discussing on the same wavelength. The media, in my experience, does precious little to portray anything as it really is. Edited by possum 2005-07-12 11:41 AM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2005-07-12 9:38 AM the bear - 2005-07-12 10:37 AM Sorry chickadee, but your "exclusivity" has been breached. Yours truly is wearing a Land's End CLEAR PINK dress shirt with his slate gray suit this morning. And I don't feel the least bit girly. Bear, it's ChickiePoo (not Dee). It takes a real man to get in touch with his inner-woman and wear PINK. I am impressed. Gee, bear, even *I* won't wear pink. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have one more thing for you Possum..It might be a messageboard and you might get away with calling people whatever you feel like...but there are still other people on the other end of the internet... I realized after going back to my post that it was rather incoherent...but if you couldnt see the points through the muck of my grammar just move on and think of me as an idiot, or maybe ask me to reword as it came across to you as insulting. I personally find that your overzealous attitude has taken the conversation from lively to insulting, mudslinging and personal...three things it need not be. Forgive me for posting with only half my attention while at work without the appropriate time to spend grammar checking...We cant all be perfect. No passive aggression included, just trying to remember why I'm here...For inspiration while training to push my body away from its current sedentary lifestyle...I guess I just need to stick to those threads.. Edited by Jiggies 2005-07-12 11:43 AM |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have to agree with this. Sure you can drag a heavy person out of a fire by their ankles (let's hope there aren't any stairs), but what if you have to pass an unconscious body through a window of a burning building to a teammate on a ladder? Has anyone here ever had to lift a 200 pound limp body? We did a lot of fireman's carry drills for upper body conditioning at boot camp, it's tough. Anyone could be a firefighter or a Navy SEAL if they relax the standards enough. But that takes away from the effectiveness of the unit. Yeah, everyone feels happy and equal, but at the end of the day mission accomplishment is in jeaprody. I'm saying give men and women the equal chance to do anything. Let everyone try, but don't relax the standards. Chyna would probably make a great firefighter, my 165 pound 6 foot tall skinny brother who can't benchpress his own weight wouldn't. For me, it's not about men and women. It's about who can do the job and do it best. This has gotten waaaaaaaaaaaay off topic. Edited by dibujob 2005-07-12 11:45 AM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I *like* pink ![]() Don't like women only tri's? Don't race in em. Don't think women deserve them? Tuff. There are sponsors and there are women who will race in them. Feel really slighted? Sue. *That* would be interesting. |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gullahcracker - 2005-07-12 11:37 AM Stick to the topic. If you want to discuss women in the fire service then start a new thread and I'll share some female firefighter success stories that'll shut you the hell up. Otherwise stick to the tri topic. Ok, Russ, back to the topic. If I organized an all women's tri, all men would be welcome if ya just promise to wear PINK during the tri, make sure you wax those backs and get a pedicure! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2005-07-12 12:46 PM gullahcracker - 2005-07-12 11:37 AM Stick to the topic. If you want to discuss women in the fire service then start a new thread and I'll share some female firefighter success stories that'll shut you the hell up. Otherwise stick to the tri topic. Ok, Russ, back to the topic. If I organized an all women's tri, all men would be welcome if ya just promise to wear PINK during the tri, make sure you wax those backs and get a pedicure! A pink pedi! and a mani too! |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dibujob - 2005-07-12 9:41 AM For me, it's not about men and women. It's about who can do the job and do it best. That's exactly what I was saying. |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() nliedel - 2005-07-12 11:48 AM Renee - 2005-07-12 12:46 PM A pink pedi! and a mani too! gullahcracker - 2005-07-12 11:37 AM Stick to the topic. If you want to discuss women in the fire service then start a new thread and I'll share some female firefighter success stories that'll shut you the hell up. Otherwise stick to the tri topic. Ok, Russ, back to the topic. If I organized an all women's tri, all men would be welcome if ya just promise to wear PINK during the tri, make sure you wax those backs and get a pedicure! And drink the estrogen |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kimj81 - 2005-07-12 11:39 AM Renee - 2005-07-12 9:38 AM the bear - 2005-07-12 10:37 AM Sorry chickadee, but your "exclusivity" has been breached. Yours truly is wearing a Land's End CLEAR PINK dress shirt with his slate gray suit this morning. And I don't feel the least bit girly. Bear, it's ChickiePoo (not Dee). It takes a real man to get in touch with his inner-woman and wear PINK. I am impressed. Gee, bear, even *I* won't wear pink. Don't be a Pink-hater, Kimmie. Or I'll sign you up for the Reebok Women's this weekend. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Renee - 2005-07-12 9:51 AM kimj81 - 2005-07-12 11:39 AM Renee - 2005-07-12 9:38 AM the bear - 2005-07-12 10:37 AM Sorry chickadee, but your "exclusivity" has been breached. Yours truly is wearing a Land's End CLEAR PINK dress shirt with his slate gray suit this morning. And I don't feel the least bit girly. Bear, it's ChickiePoo (not Dee). It takes a real man to get in touch with his inner-woman and wear PINK. I am impressed. Gee, bear, even *I* won't wear pink. Don't be a Pink-hater, Kimmie. Or I'll sign you up for the Reebok Women's this weekend. LOL! I got the same response when I wrote Skirt Sports an email about fit, but mentioned that it'd be nice if they had something that wasn't splattered with pink... They said "We're sorry you hate pink. We love it!" Um, thanks..... Damn pink-lovers, you're all the same. You think you can do anything us pink haters can do. And I hate you for that. But I still run around town with my pink and brown skirt on. You betcha! |
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