Jamie's HIM/IM Training Group-CLOSED (Page 5)

RVachon - 2011-01-17 10:57 AMI've recently started using Infinit, so far only trying the RUN ORANGE version on a 17k long run a couple weeks ago, and so far, it's the best I've used.  Gatorade simply gives me heartburn, and Hammer well, the taste is absolutely terrible.  I did have Infinit at the Welland Tri last year, and they had a bad mixture as the taste sucked there also, but you mix it yourself, it's taste good...not strong like Gatorade.

With that said, I'll probably use Infinit exclusively for all my training & races this year.  Maybe it's just brainwash but the science behind it seems more creditable than the other nutrition suppliers other there.  Most races around here use either Gatorade or Hammer so I guess I'll be bringing my own potions and use the course water.

dhopman - 2011-01-17 10:41 AM

Looks like maybe you're taking one more? I'd love to join if you have room for another Dave in the group. I'm doing my first IM (Texas) this year and could use the motivation.

I'll post a bio a little later if you'll take me.

-Dave

sbsmann - 2011-01-17 10:26 AM



Yup...points well taken.  Regarding the bike, do you ever suggest having an "easy" spin on the schedule when doing less than an hour?  Often after a weekend where I did both a long ride and a long run, I schedule an easy spin on the bike (< 1 hour) on Monday (and maybe a swim).

For the nutrition I definitely like the idea of not putting so much reliance on the Infinit bottle, but I suppose the same could be said for losing gels or salt tabs during a ride.  I've had success with Powergels/water/Gatorade on longer runs and hope that along with the salt tabs will work for me on HIM's.  However there is also a little voice inside me that says the "convenience" hook of the Infinit is kind convenient if it works for me.

It won't be long until I go to the laboratory and run some tests!

Danrl88 - 2011-01-17 11:27 AM

Welland was where I had my only experience with infinit, so if you say the mix was bad but liked your own then maybe I will give it a shot in training just to see. As of right now, like I said I am pretty happy with gatorade and hammer gel. However I end up needing to carry quite a few gels, so infinit might lighten my load alittle. I am also curious about the easy ride....I assumed you mean in general when riding under an hour that you should be pushing your HR/power a little beyond your comfort because of the shorter time in relation to HIM or I'm race. But what about "recovery" rides or runs for that matter. How do you feel/what is your experience with them?Another question I had was about race planning. Right now my tenative schedule looks like this: March30-30KM run(Around the Bay), Mid-May-sprint, June26 HIM(Welland), July8-first baby born(bad timing I know haha), Aug14-HIM(steelhead), Sep 11-HIM(Muskoka), Maybe detroit half or full mara in Oct. Depending how I feel. Muskoka and Welland are A races for me. I figure they are all spaced out well enough that I should be okay. My question is more about training and stages of training base, anaerobic, taper etc. When would be a good time to start and finish each of these in relation to my schedule?? Sorry for the format...my phone won't let me use new paragraphs apparently

Danrl88 - 2011-01-17 11:27 AM Welland was where I had my only experience with infinit, so if you say the mix was bad but liked your own then maybe I will give it a shot in training just to see. As of right now, like I said I am pretty happy with gatorade and hammer gel. However I end up needing to carry quite a few gels, so infinit might lighten my load alittle. I am also curious about the easy ride....I assumed you mean in general when riding under an hour that you should be pushing your HR/power a little beyond your comfort because of the shorter time in relation to HIM or I'm race. But what about "recovery" rides or runs for that matter. How do you feel/what is your experience with them?Another question I had was about race planning. Right now my tenative schedule looks like this: March30-30KM run(Around the Bay), Mid-May-sprint, June26 HIM(Welland), July8-first baby born(bad timing I know haha), Aug14-HIM(steelhead), Sep 11-HIM(Muskoka), Maybe detroit half or full mara in Oct. Depending how I feel. Muskoka and Welland are A races for me. I figure they are all spaced out well enough that I should be okay. My question is more about training and stages of training base, anaerobic, taper etc. When would be a good time to start and finish each of these in relation to my schedule?? Sorry for the format...my phone won't let me use new paragraphs apparently

dhopman - 2011-01-17 1:04 PM

NAME: dhopman - Dave - Santa Clara, CA

BACKGROUND: I do tri's for the challenge, the healthy lifestyle, the discipline, the sportsmanship, and the friendships.

28 years old, from a swimming/water polo background, eventually played collegiate level polo. Post-college, got into tri's after doing some OWS and short running races. In 2006 I started my MBA which killed my multi-sport carreer for a few years. I got back into it in 2009 with a heavy run focus which I feel is definitely my weakness

FAMILY STATUS: Engaged - getting married in July!

CURRENT TRAINING: I'm in week 3 of my IMTX training plan.

2010 RACES: Wildflower Oly, Vineman HIM (5:38, 1st HIM), SJ RnR Half Marathon (1:39 - PR), SV Marathon (3:40 - 1st marathon), Morgan Hill Half Marathon (1:50 pacer)

2011 RACES: Ironman Texas is about the only thing on my radar. In Oct., I'll probably do SJ RnR Half Marathon and try to beat my PR from 2010.

2011 GOALS: Train smart and complete Ironman Texas healthy (have had some knee problems) - no hard target for time yet...I'm thinking the over/under right now might be 12:30 but It's very hard to say.

WEIGHT-LOSS: No goals here really. I'm 6'4", maybe 175-180 right now. I'll probably drop back to 170 with the Ironman training which is where I was for Vineman.


I hope I can help some people in this mentor group with the swimming, or just general motivation. I'm hoping to get lots of motivation to stay on top of my training plan since this is a HIM/IM focused-group, and maybe even learn a thing or two from some of you runners out there.

jamiej - 2011-01-17 12:08 PM See my previous post regarding 'recovery' rides/runs. That is one helluva planned race schedule you have there! I would plan backwards from Welland, so for HIM about 12-14 weeks b/4 start doing specific HIM training for it. Sprint and 30k run should just be done as a training day with no taper/recovery. Can you skip the baby? That is going to be a real form killer! After Welland I would take a week very, very EZ or off and then begin to build again to Muskoka. I can see you are pretty stoked about the season but in MY opinion you have a ton of races going on. Personally I would take Steelhead really ez or not sign up. Timing of this all depends on what schedule you will be following. I would follow it to a 't' up to Welland and then 'intercept' it again after taking 1 weeks ez/off after Wellend to get re-tuned for Muskoka. I dont' have kids but my advice to you would be to target Welland as your sole 'A' race for the year and everything after the birth is gravy. You may not be sleeping very well..... jamie

teamssj - 2011-01-17 4:43 PM

If you can sneak me in, I'd be much obliged.  I'm 46 with two boys (8 & 9) and am doing my first Ironman in Arizona this November.
Thanks,
John

Danrl88 - 2011-01-17 4:58 PM



Jamie,

It is quite a hefty race schedule, I think I just needed to hear someone else say so.  I have been back and forth on races because of the due date of the baby and the Welland HIM's date.  It was originially July 2nd which made it a no go, so thats why I looked into Steelhead as another HIM, but Welland has moved to June 26th which I think is a little more possible. 
There is a local sprint I did last year, the same day as Steelhead, so in the interest of saving money, my legs, and possibly my marriage I am going to opt for that and treat it as a training day as you suggested.  That was my plan for the other sprint and the 30k. 

Ray,

When I was looking through the groups I saw you and Alex both had Muskoka as races which was one of the motivating factors for me joining a group.  It will be nice to have some people to talk about race and training specifics with.  I did around the bay two years ago and Muskoka last year, have you done around the bay before?  I think I recall you saying Muskoka will be your first HIM.


As for today I have yet to do anything, but I have a 2 hour bike planned this evening with 3x30mins at HR race pace.

jamiej - 2011-01-17 2:32 PMOk. You're the last one. I have a feeling I've already lost one b/c I haven't heard anything past the first post. Catch up on the thread, give us your real first name if you wish and post some facts about yourself etc. You'll see a good 'intro to me' template numerous times throughout the history of the thread.Jamie[/QUOTEYou haven't lost me I'm jay away skiing. Because to training Tuesday night

mpdiotte - 2011-01-17 6:05 PM



No worries. I wasn't referring to you! Don't get hurt skiing!!

Jamie

Jeepguy2358 - 2011-01-18 10:20 AM

Dave - Take my opinion for what's it's worth.  I have done one HIM, one IM, and some shorter distances all with respectable results for me.  For me, I go all out on the sprints.  I don't hold anything back until the last couple miles.  During my HIM, I went at the same pace for the entire race with the exception of the last five miles where I spun out the legs instead of pushing the big ring.  At that point, I took the time to stand up and stretch my legs.  Different people have different strategies and breaking the race down into smaller parts is one method that works for a lot of people.  It sounds to me like it may have been run fitness or bike preparedness.  How prepared were you for the bike portion?  Did you get in your longer rides at race pace? Did you practice this method during training?  As the saying goes, there is no such thing as a good bike if you don't have a good run to follow.

Kevin - I would say ride the race course at one time or another if you can.  It will give you some idea of the terrain.  Another option is the check out IMKY bike course on youtube.  One of the guys on iamtri videoed the entire thing.  Obviously not the same but it will give you some idea.  I didn't think it was too difficult, but it was a challenge.  My Garmin registered over 4200 feet of climbing.  If you can duplicate that on your regular rides, I wouldn't worry as much about getting out there.  The other thing about doing Cardinal Harbor is you should experience race conditions - mainly the HEAT!  The course plus heat is the killer for most people.  Make sure you train in the hottest conditions possible and later in your training at race pace.  Trust me, your body will react differently when the temps are above 90.  For the record, I loved the bike course.  I was absolutely gorgeous riding through KY horse country.

Ray - I hope you feel better.  I am hoping I can ward off a sinus infection.  Certainly not as bad as you, but I hate being sick!