Oscar Pistorius accidentally shoots and kills GF (Page 5)

Accidents are easy to avoid when you just call them something else.

Alright, four rules guys, this is your doing.

You've got a one track mind.

I'll agree with him.  I'll say it now and hope like crazy I never break one of the rules and get someone hurt or worse. 

After years of carrying a rifle, I even pay attention to the direction my umbrella tip is pointing.  Good habits are hard to break.

Likely violated all four rules.  Not an accident.

It's obviously up to everyone what is "reasonable"...

But I find it interesting that you can say "IF" you follow the four rules, no accidents should happen.   But when people suggest that IF, there were no guns, no accidents should happen - that's unreasonable.  But the four rules are reasonable.

And we are discussing "if's".  Because both instances won't apply.  There will be no guns, and there will be people that don't follow the four rules.

I'm just saying, it's easy to justify just about anything when you use "if's".  We could all have weapons grade plutonium IF everyone was up to speed on proper containment protocol and had proper containment appurtenances.

Shooting is a mechanical function of a gun, not imposing a condition on a round that was not designed to take that condition. 

Bullets thrown in a fire aren't shooting someone, the primer burns through and catches fire.  That's negligence and stupidity and not covered by the 4 weapons safety rules.

The more I read the more I'm convinced that this is a battle cry, so to speak, for the purpose of supporting gun rights.  Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I think it just redefines the common usage of accident.

can cooked off rounds kill someone?  I think they did something on Mythbusters on that.  I'm dubious because the shell casing is lighter so THAT would be the projectile - conservation of energy and all that.  That's if it's LOOSE rounds cooking off.

Not one in the chamber of a weapon.  In that case, I can see that it could easily kill someone.

Rule #4

It wasn't my finger on the trigger

His legal defense is not getting off on the right foot.

Big Appa - 2013-02-14 2:48 PM It wasn't my finger on the trigger

Different strokes.

Trigger guards are pretty small.  Figures you could pull that off.

I don't care how its pulled off as long is it is.

true, true

It boils down to opinion, I suppose.

While I think you and I probably have roughly the same opinion regarding gun safety, I would say there is ALMOST never an accidental shooting.  I find very few 100% "black or white" instances in real world.  But just IMO.

edit: a dropped weapon can discharge at an unintended target, just as an example.

Our pistols don't have a safety.  They are double action only semi-autos.

Actually, you are wrong on every account.  The tgrigger guard was smashed in by the impact of the accident (likely on the break pedal bar) and caused the trigger to be depressed.  That's the second time in my career I've seen/heard of it happening.  The first time was when one bad guy was pistol whipping another bad guy......he cracked him in the forehead with a .38 revolver.  It caved in the trigger guard when it hit his forehead and shot him in the shoulder when the weapon discharged. 

There are lots of ways outside of the "four rules" for a weapon to discharge.  My dad was also a cop....he carried a .32 in his shirt pocket as a backup.  he bent ove rin our garage one day and the gun fell out and landed on the hammer, barrel pointed straight up when it went off.  he figures it missed his head by 1/2 inch....said he was looking down the barrel when it went off.  We all ran out when we heard the shot after hearing his car pull in.....he looked like he had seen a ghost.

Brilliant

Especially if they take away his legs in jail...

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