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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn I was actually impressed with Rubio. More so than I've been in the past. I could see him as a solid Veep candidate, though I don't think he has the presence to be POTUS. Ben Carson is obviously super-smart, but wow, I found him really really hard to listen to. He reminds me of someone's old uncle who tells these rambling stories around the dinner table. He just seems really unfocused and a real lightweight, politically. Like Bill Maher says, "I like one half of Rand Paul." Sometimes, he makes perfect sense to me, but at other times, it sounds like he wears a tinfoil hat to bed (assuming he could fit one on his FABULOUS perm). I bet Carly Fiorina creeps up in the polls. I'm sure she won some points in her duels with Trump, but overall, she sounds like someone who thinks very highly of herself and hasn't had too many people around her telling her that she's wrong, even when she is. That, for the record, is the issue that most political outsiders share. Most of them (Carson, Fiorina, Trump) come from positions of leadership, and, as anyone who's ever worked in Corporate America knows, CEO's and the like are not in the business of being wrong. Consequently they don't have many people around them telling them that they're wrong, and, as such, tend to always think that they're right. In politics, the voters and the press tell you you're wrong all the time. I don't know that I see Trump, Fiorina, or Carson being sufficiently open to advice in the areas in which they're inexperienced (foreign policy, etc.). The politicians kept telling Trump over and over again last night that it's not financially or logistically feasible to deport millions of people, but he didn't want to hear it. Too bad Scott Walker couldn't make it. (What? He was there? Oh...really? Are you sure? Ok...) Christie...I dunno. I can't take him seriously. And Trump... Yikes. I just can't understand why anyone would look at that guy and say, "Yup-- that's President of the United States material."

From what I've read on the conservative forums the establishment is bailing quickly away from Bush because he's obviously too toxic right now. Fiorina is where they're throwing their establishment muscle because she's an "outsider" but expected to fully step in line with the GOPe once elected. She's also harder to attack for a guy like Trump without wading into a mine field.

**Edit, oh and I'm so sick and tired of presidents being bought by everyone under the sun that I absolutely can see Trump as President and he appeals to me greatly (obviously I'm not alone). He's abrasive, rude, and obnoxious but he won't bow down to Iran and cringe in fear at Putin. He'll actually put some balls back in the White House economically and globally.

"Spaceballs" is more like it.

Edited by Left Brain 2015-09-17 2:44 PM

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn I was actually impressed with Rubio. More so than I've been in the past. I could see him as a solid Veep candidate, though I don't think he has the presence to be POTUS. Ben Carson is obviously super-smart, but wow, I found him really really hard to listen to. He reminds me of someone's old uncle who tells these rambling stories around the dinner table. He just seems really unfocused and a real lightweight, politically. Like Bill Maher says, "I like one half of Rand Paul." Sometimes, he makes perfect sense to me, but at other times, it sounds like he wears a tinfoil hat to bed (assuming he could fit one on his FABULOUS perm). I bet Carly Fiorina creeps up in the polls. I'm sure she won some points in her duels with Trump, but overall, she sounds like someone who thinks very highly of herself and hasn't had too many people around her telling her that she's wrong, even when she is. That, for the record, is the issue that most political outsiders share. Most of them (Carson, Fiorina, Trump) come from positions of leadership, and, as anyone who's ever worked in Corporate America knows, CEO's and the like are not in the business of being wrong. Consequently they don't have many people around them telling them that they're wrong, and, as such, tend to always think that they're right. In politics, the voters and the press tell you you're wrong all the time. I don't know that I see Trump, Fiorina, or Carson being sufficiently open to advice in the areas in which they're inexperienced (foreign policy, etc.). The politicians kept telling Trump over and over again last night that it's not financially or logistically feasible to deport millions of people, but he didn't want to hear it. Too bad Scott Walker couldn't make it. (What? He was there? Oh...really? Are you sure? Ok...) Christie...I dunno. I can't take him seriously. And Trump... Yikes. I just can't understand why anyone would look at that guy and say, "Yup-- that's President of the United States material."

So you liked Bush, huh? Cool.

The only guy I like is the one who has no chance whatsoever. The rest of them? Meh. Some scare me less than others, but I wouldn't vote for any of them over Clinton or Sanders or Biden or even a dark horse like whats-his-name from Maryland.

I think it's funny that Bush seems to be shocked that everyone isn't just bowing down to him as the heir apparent to the throne. His body language just says, "Don't you people know who I am?"

What's going to kill Fiorina is her stance on defunding Planned Parenthood. She's only going to win if she attracts female voters, and whatever points she hopes to score with women will go right out the window if he keeps banging that drum, because lots of polls show that reproductive rights is a hugely important issue for women.

Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2015-09-17 3:12 PM

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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn I was actually impressed with Rubio. More so than I've been in the past. I could see him as a solid Veep candidate, though I don't think he has the presence to be POTUS. Ben Carson is obviously super-smart, but wow, I found him really really hard to listen to. He reminds me of someone's old uncle who tells these rambling stories around the dinner table. He just seems really unfocused and a real lightweight, politically. Like Bill Maher says, "I like one half of Rand Paul." Sometimes, he makes perfect sense to me, but at other times, it sounds like he wears a tinfoil hat to bed (assuming he could fit one on his FABULOUS perm). I bet Carly Fiorina creeps up in the polls. I'm sure she won some points in her duels with Trump, but overall, she sounds like someone who thinks very highly of herself and hasn't had too many people around her telling her that she's wrong, even when she is. That, for the record, is the issue that most political outsiders share. Most of them (Carson, Fiorina, Trump) come from positions of leadership, and, as anyone who's ever worked in Corporate America knows, CEO's and the like are not in the business of being wrong. Consequently they don't have many people around them telling them that they're wrong, and, as such, tend to always think that they're right. In politics, the voters and the press tell you you're wrong all the time. I don't know that I see Trump, Fiorina, or Carson being sufficiently open to advice in the areas in which they're inexperienced (foreign policy, etc.). The politicians kept telling Trump over and over again last night that it's not financially or logistically feasible to deport millions of people, but he didn't want to hear it. Too bad Scott Walker couldn't make it. (What? He was there? Oh...really? Are you sure? Ok...) Christie...I dunno. I can't take him seriously. And Trump... Yikes. I just can't understand why anyone would look at that guy and say, "Yup-- that's President of the United States material."

So you liked Bush, huh? Cool.

The only guy I like is the one who has no chance whatsoever. The rest of them? Meh. Some scare me less than others, but I wouldn't vote for any of them over Clinton or Sanders or Biden or even a dark horse like whats-his-name from Maryland. I think it's funny that Bush seems to be shocked that everyone isn't just bowing down to him as the heir apparent to the throne. His body language just says, "Don't you people know who I am?" What's going to kill Fiorina is her stance on defunding Planned Parenthood. She's only going to win if she attracts female voters, and whatever points she hopes to score with women will go right out the window if he keeps banging that drum, because lots of polls show that reproductive rights is a hugely important issue for women.

I couldn't help but chuckle and think of Hillary when you said "heir apparent to the throne". She's definitely a "Don't you know who I am" kind of lady.

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Subject: RE: Republican debate

Originally posted by tuwood

From what I've read on the conservative forums the establishment is bailing quickly away from Bush because he's obviously too toxic right now. Fiorina is where they're throwing their establishment muscle because she's an "outsider" but expected to fully step in line with the GOPe once elected. She's also harder to attack for a guy like Trump without wading into a mine field.

Fiorina is also the only candidate I've seen that can actually handle Trump in a debate. When she attacked, he backed off. It was pretty remarkable to watch.

I was pulling for Rand before even the first debate, but he's got to find some way to stand out more.

Edited by msteiner 2015-09-17 4:50 PM

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Originally posted by msteiner

Originally posted by tuwood

From what I've read on the conservative forums the establishment is bailing quickly away from Bush because he's obviously too toxic right now. Fiorina is where they're throwing their establishment muscle because she's an "outsider" but expected to fully step in line with the GOPe once elected. She's also harder to attack for a guy like Trump without wading into a mine field.

Fiorina is also the only candidate I've seen that can actually handle Trump in a debate. When she attacked, he backed off. It was pretty remarkable to watch.

I was pulling for Rand before even the first debate, but he's got to find some way to stand out more.

Agree on both. I came into the political season with Rand as my strong #1 and Cruz as #2. Trump wasn't even on my radar. Christie and Bush were by far my dead last pair (tied).

For whatever reason Rand just can't get any traction and I've been hypnotized by the Trump. So I'm sitting with Trump #1 and Cruz #2. The way they're being best buddies now leads me to thing Trump wants Cruz as his VP if he wins the nomination.

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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by msteiner

Originally posted by tuwood

From what I've read on the conservative forums the establishment is bailing quickly away from Bush because he's obviously too toxic right now. Fiorina is where they're throwing their establishment muscle because she's an "outsider" but expected to fully step in line with the GOPe once elected. She's also harder to attack for a guy like Trump without wading into a mine field.

Fiorina is also the only candidate I've seen that can actually handle Trump in a debate. When she attacked, he backed off. It was pretty remarkable to watch.

I was pulling for Rand before even the first debate, but he's got to find some way to stand out more.

Agree on both. I came into the political season with Rand as my strong #1 and Cruz as #2. Trump wasn't even on my radar. Christie and Bush were by far my dead last pair (tied).

For whatever reason Rand just can't get any traction and I've been hypnotized by the Trump. So I'm sitting with Trump #1 and Cruz #2. The way they're being best buddies now leads me to thing Trump wants Cruz as his VP if he wins the nomination.

The crazy thing is, you are following along pretty well on these candidate's stances. But then......there's somebody out there who doesn't know crap about the issues and he just thought, "to hell with it, I'm just going to go with the two ugliest guys"......and he's right where you are.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by msteiner

Originally posted by tuwood

From what I've read on the conservative forums the establishment is bailing quickly away from Bush because he's obviously too toxic right now. Fiorina is where they're throwing their establishment muscle because she's an "outsider" but expected to fully step in line with the GOPe once elected. She's also harder to attack for a guy like Trump without wading into a mine field.

Fiorina is also the only candidate I've seen that can actually handle Trump in a debate. When she attacked, he backed off. It was pretty remarkable to watch.

I was pulling for Rand before even the first debate, but he's got to find some way to stand out more.

Agree on both. I came into the political season with Rand as my strong #1 and Cruz as #2. Trump wasn't even on my radar. Christie and Bush were by far my dead last pair (tied).

For whatever reason Rand just can't get any traction and I've been hypnotized by the Trump. So I'm sitting with Trump #1 and Cruz #2. The way they're being best buddies now leads me to thing Trump wants Cruz as his VP if he wins the nomination.

The crazy thing is, you are following along pretty well on these candidate's stances. But then......there's somebody out there who doesn't know crap about the issues and he just thought, "to hell with it, I'm just going to go with the two ugliest guys"......and he's right where you are.

it's sad isn't it. I mean JMK gets a vote? seriously, that should not be allowed. lol

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There was a collection of tweets from a bunch of comedians about the debate. My favorite, though I forget who said it was, "Wow, Chris Christie looks amazing! He looks like he's really slimmed down... oh, wait, that's Air Force One."

My other favorite, which, again, I don't remember the source of, was, "Marco Rubio looks like he was the kind of kid who raises his hand and reminds the teacher that she forgot to assign homework."

What about the moment at the very beginning of the debate, before anyone had even answered a question when Trump said, apropos of nothing, "By the way, I don't even know why Rand Paul is here."? I literally LOL'd at that. I mean, way to come out swinging!

Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2015-09-18 9:37 AM

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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn

The only guy I like is the one who has no chance whatsoever. The rest of them? Meh. Some scare me less than others, but I wouldn't vote for any of them over Clinton or Sanders or Biden or even a dark horse like whats-his-name from Maryland. I think it's funny that Bush seems to be shocked that everyone isn't just bowing down to him as the heir apparent to the throne. His body language just says, "Don't you people know who I am?" What's going to kill Fiorina is her stance on defunding Planned Parenthood. She's only going to win if she attracts female voters, and whatever points she hopes to score with women will go right out the window if he keeps banging that drum, because lots of polls show that reproductive rights is a hugely important issue for women.

I love listening to Dems talk about this stuff and say how so and so has no chance. And it's funny how the two parties are saying the exact same thing about each other. While I'm not thrilled with any of the Candidates, I would vote for any of them before Hillary, Sanders and Biden. Cheat/Liar, Self declared socialist and Grandpa/Career Politician.

It should make the national election interesting. There is not a candidate on either side that doesn't have a ton of stuff to attack.

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Originally posted by velocomp

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn

The only guy I like is the one who has no chance whatsoever. The rest of them? Meh. Some scare me less than others, but I wouldn't vote for any of them over Clinton or Sanders or Biden or even a dark horse like whats-his-name from Maryland. I think it's funny that Bush seems to be shocked that everyone isn't just bowing down to him as the heir apparent to the throne. His body language just says, "Don't you people know who I am?" What's going to kill Fiorina is her stance on defunding Planned Parenthood. She's only going to win if she attracts female voters, and whatever points she hopes to score with women will go right out the window if he keeps banging that drum, because lots of polls show that reproductive rights is a hugely important issue for women.

I love listening to Dems talk about this stuff and say how so and so has no chance. And it's funny how the two parties are saying the exact same thing about each other. While I'm not thrilled with any of the Candidates, I would vote for any of them before Hillary, Sanders and Biden. Cheat/Liar, Self declared socialist and Grandpa/Career Politician.

It should make the national election interesting. There is not a candidate on either side that doesn't have a ton of stuff to attack.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by velocomp

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn

The only guy I like is the one who has no chance whatsoever. The rest of them? Meh. Some scare me less than others, but I wouldn't vote for any of them over Clinton or Sanders or Biden or even a dark horse like whats-his-name from Maryland. I think it's funny that Bush seems to be shocked that everyone isn't just bowing down to him as the heir apparent to the throne. His body language just says, "Don't you people know who I am?" What's going to kill Fiorina is her stance on defunding Planned Parenthood. She's only going to win if she attracts female voters, and whatever points she hopes to score with women will go right out the window if he keeps banging that drum, because lots of polls show that reproductive rights is a hugely important issue for women.

I love listening to Dems talk about this stuff and say how so and so has no chance. And it's funny how the two parties are saying the exact same thing about each other. While I'm not thrilled with any of the Candidates, I would vote for any of them before Hillary, Sanders and Biden. Cheat/Liar, Self declared socialist and Grandpa/Career Politician.

It should make the national election interesting. There is not a candidate on either side that doesn't have a ton of stuff to attack.

#Politicians Lives Matter

hahahahaha That made me laugh out loud

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Originally posted by velocomp

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn

The only guy I like is the one who has no chance whatsoever. The rest of them? Meh. Some scare me less than others, but I wouldn't vote for any of them over Clinton or Sanders or Biden or even a dark horse like whats-his-name from Maryland. I think it's funny that Bush seems to be shocked that everyone isn't just bowing down to him as the heir apparent to the throne. His body language just says, "Don't you people know who I am?" What's going to kill Fiorina is her stance on defunding Planned Parenthood. She's only going to win if she attracts female voters, and whatever points she hopes to score with women will go right out the window if he keeps banging that drum, because lots of polls show that reproductive rights is a hugely important issue for women.

I love listening to Dems talk about this stuff and say how so and so has no chance. And it's funny how the two parties are saying the exact same thing about each other. While I'm not thrilled with any of the Candidates, I would vote for any of them before Hillary, Sanders and Biden. Cheat/Liar, Self declared socialist and Grandpa/Career Politician.

It should make the national election interesting. There is not a candidate on either side that doesn't have a ton of stuff to attack.

You think Kasisch has a shot? That's who I was referring to. That'd be great, but the GOP establishment is determined to anoint a "traditional" republican like Bush unless a crackpot like Trump or Fiorina can force their hand. A moderate like Kasisch or even the apparently-born-again-moderate Rand Paul won't get an opportunity in this climate.

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Caryl's business record exposed. ouch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBTpbwtEMMk&feature=youtu.be&t=179

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Originally posted by tuwood

Caryl's business record exposed. ouch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBTpbwtEMMk&feature=youtu.be&t=179

She's done.

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Originally posted by tuwood

Caryl's business record exposed. ouch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBTpbwtEMMk&feature=youtu.be&t=179

It's not like it was a secret before.

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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn

Originally posted by tuwood

Caryl's business record exposed. ouch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBTpbwtEMMk&feature=youtu.be&t=179

It's not like it was a secret before.

Oh.....you're one of those guys who thinks the electorate has a collective brain.

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Oh, right...I gotta stop doing that...

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I think Trump needs to flat out tank one of the debates. It could give him double digit gains.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/09/20/zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate/

Taking who he is out of the equation and just looking at the politics of this all, it's truly amazing how he's managed to position himself in such a way that almost anything he does good or bad gets a positive response in the polls.

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Originally posted by tuwood

I think Trump needs to flat out tank one of the debates. It could give him double digit gains.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/09/20/zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate/

Taking who he is out of the equation and just looking at the politics of this all, it's truly amazing how he's managed to position himself in such a way that almost anything he does good or bad gets a positive response in the polls.

He should just show up in his underwear and just start shouting obscenities and racial epithets at everyone. They'd probably cancel the convention and just give him the nomination right there.

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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn

Originally posted by tuwood

I think Trump needs to flat out tank one of the debates. It could give him double digit gains.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/09/20/zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate/

Taking who he is out of the equation and just looking at the politics of this all, it's truly amazing how he's managed to position himself in such a way that almost anything he does good or bad gets a positive response in the polls.

He should just show up in his underwear and just start shouting obscenities and racial epithets at everyone. They'd probably cancel the convention and just give him the nomination right there.

I'm pretty sure he benefits from a certain segment of society that is just sick of listening to all of the noise these days from protesters and all manner of whiners......that segment may vote for him just for spite. I've heard that sentiment from more people then I care to think about. Even though, as I've said before, it'd be funny as hell to wake up on Wednesday morning after the election to see Trump as President, I consider this "leader of the free world" stuff to be pretty damn important. Trump is a circus clown.

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For whatever reason Rand just can't get any traction

Because he's torn between riding his dad's libertarian coattails versus following the GOP line. He's not really walking the walk on either one. He doesn't get the grassroots support Ron had, and the areas where he IS like his dad (ex: softer on the war on drugs) tend to hurt him with the traditional conservatives.

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Originally posted by spudone

For whatever reason Rand just can't get any traction

Because he's torn between riding his dad's libertarian coattails versus following the GOP line. He's not really walking the walk on either one. He doesn't get the grassroots support Ron had, and the areas where he IS like his dad (ex: softer on the war on drugs) tend to hurt him with the traditional conservatives.

I swear....my mind was boggled listening to the anti-marijuana rhetoric during the debate. I thought we were getting past that stupidity.

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its the new gay rights......GET OVER IT ALREADY

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Originally posted by dmiller5

its the new gay rights......GET OVER IT ALREADY

Well people do love their marijuana. hehe

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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by dmiller5

its the new gay rights......GET OVER IT ALREADY

Well people do love their marijuana. hehe

I remember I did....and when I retire I would like to again.

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