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ChrisM - 2012-02-03 12:05 PM

Got my weight back down to 209 and change.  a little more than 4 pounds to go to reach my goal of racing Calif. 70.3 30# lighter than last year.

Awesome job on the weight loss...quite an accomplishment, and you're way ahead of your goal time frame...so will you re-adjust now and shoot for more weight loss by race day?

Not sure.  There is a tendency in triathletes to try and push as far as they can go (I can go), so it's tempting.  My wife has said I've lost enough already.  I still see room for improvement (objectively, I think).  I would love to not have the ability to register as a clydesdale (so under 200).  I do know that whatever the goal is I am nearing it, and I will have to move from a weight loss mentality (which is stricter) to a maintenance mentality (which scares me, left to my own devices I could easily be back at the 274 I was when I started all this.....)

I just don't know what a "healthy" weight for me is.  I know "normal" BMI for me is 192 at the top, for what that is worth.  I guess I will let my body tell me where it feels best.



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ChrisM - 2012-02-03 12:14 PM
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ChrisM - 2012-02-03 12:05 PM

Got my weight back down to 209 and change.  a little more than 4 pounds to go to reach my goal of racing Calif. 70.3 30# lighter than last year.

Awesome job on the weight loss...quite an accomplishment, and you're way ahead of your goal time frame...so will you re-adjust now and shoot for more weight loss by race day?

Not sure.  There is a tendency in triathletes to try and push as far as they can go (I can go), so it's tempting.  My wife has said I've lost enough already.  I still see room for improvement (objectively, I think).  I would love to not have the ability to register as a clydesdale (so under 200).  I do know that whatever the goal is I am nearing it, and I will have to move from a weight loss mentality (which is stricter) to a maintenance mentality (which scares me, left to my own devices I could easily be back at the 274 I was when I started all this.....)

I just don't know what a "healthy" weight for me is.  I know "normal" BMI for me is 192 at the top, for what that is worth.  I guess I will let my body tell me where it feels best.

Decisions, for sure! I agree that the maintaining is tougher, at least mentally. Ultimately it will be a decision for how you feel performance and energy wise at a particular weight. I think where I want to be overall in the weight category would probably be consdered a little low (not underweight, though) , but I want to get there and see how my body responds to it.

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Rudedog55 - 2012-02-02 9:02 AM

right now i run in an older version of Under Armour Illusion, but since we are now sponsored by K-swiss, i am looking into trying their shoes, i am looking into the Tube Run 100, the California and Kwicky Blade Light, any one have experience with those??

when i was first fitted for shoes they had me in a stability shoe, since then i am 45lbs lighter and run a lot more, so i should probably find a K-Swiss dealer and do it again.

I run in the Kwicky Blade Light and I love them.  I have not experienced any issues and I am looking to get a new pair soon.

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TSimone - 2012-02-03 10:40 AM
ChrisM - 2012-02-03 1:14 PM
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ChrisM - 2012-02-03 12:05 PM

Got my weight back down to 209 and change.  a little more than 4 pounds to go to reach my goal of racing Calif. 70.3 30# lighter than last year.

Awesome job on the weight loss...quite an accomplishment, and you're way ahead of your goal time frame...so will you re-adjust now and shoot for more weight loss by race day?

Not sure.  There is a tendency in triathletes to try and push as far as they can go (I can go), so it's tempting.  My wife has said I've lost enough already.  I still see room for improvement (objectively, I think).  I would love to not have the ability to register as a clydesdale (so under 200).  I do know that whatever the goal is I am nearing it, and I will have to move from a weight loss mentality (which is stricter) to a maintenance mentality (which scares me, left to my own devices I could easily be back at the 274 I was when I started all this.....)

I just don't know what a "healthy" weight for me is.  I know "normal" BMI for me is 192 at the top, for what that is worth.  I guess I will let my body tell me where it feels best.

Maintenance is harder for me, too. I use the "look test" instead of the scale or BMI now. If I see what I think is some body fat that needs to go, I stay in weight loss mode. FWIW, I haven't hit true maintence mode yet. My problem is I go into a lower level of overall activity/poor eating after my last race of the year and I can easily jump up 15-20 pounds. On my 5'9" frame, that's a lot.You're doing great. Focus less on BMI and more on body fat IMO. I'd get tested if I thought it would help, but as long as I can see a little fat around the middle, I know I have work to do. My wife tells me the same thing. I have to remind her that I was 217 lbs 2 years ago and haven't hit my race weight goals yet.

Thanks.  I am only thinking BMI because when I was 240 I would say "i'd look ridiculous at normal BMI of 192."  It's really more curiosity about that than using the BMI as a guide.  I know it's really more of a general population standard over what's right for any particular individual.  Good point about the body fat, I have no idea what mine is.  On that front, do those Tanita scales actually work?

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Fred D - 2012-02-03 11:32 AM I swam with an elite triathlete today, and while I couldn't keep up I did swim much faster and harder than I usually do. My left elbow seems to drop a bit(I breath to the right only) Any tips on elbow drop??

Early in the training season I tend to have this issue...in fact, I'm combating it now. One of my favorite ways to address it is with the fingertip drill...usually gets my stroke back in order. I'll be doing that in my workout this evening.



I like fingertip drill, but my issue with the low elbow is on my pull.

Any more thoughts?


I do the same thing. It's usually caused by us pushing our left hand and forearm too deep when we breath to the right as it kind of pushes us up a bit. Try and concentrate on more reach and a bit more delay with the left arm as you breath and recover on the right. Breath every 4 and you won't do it as much. Take note of how that is different and then try and apply that to B-2.
2012-02-03 1:45 PM
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Fred D - 2012-02-03 11:21 AM I don't think Tanita scales work that well myself.

According to my Tanita scale I am quite fat.  According to everyone else I am quite tiny.  I think I am some where in the middle.  So I say no, they do not work at all for body fat

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bzgl40 - 2012-02-03 2:45 PM

Fred D - 2012-02-03 11:21 AM I don't think Tanita scales work that well myself.

According to my Tanita scale I am quite fat.  According to everyone else I am quite tiny.  I think I am some where in the middle.  So I say no, they do not work at all for body fat

From what I gather, most of the scales aren't accurate overall, but their fluctuation is...

So, if you go from 20 to 18, you've lost body fat, even though those might not be your real numbers.

Someone else might be able to put that in to words a little better.



2012-02-03 2:18 PM
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Fred D - 2012-02-03 11:21 AM I don't think Tanita scales work that well myself. Chris you are smart to think carefully about weight loss as the temptation is to keep going and going. I'm 6' and weigh 160lbs, and yet I wonder if I should lose weight. Clearly I don't 'need' to as my BMI is 22 or so, but it's the way triathletes (read people with OCD) think. Just be realistic. Chris do you have thoughts on low elbow issues on my pull?

Ha, well the smart quotient I will ascribe to my lovely bride.  Before I got sick, a lot of my training would consist of basically crushing myself in a long run or ride.  Can't say how many times I came home and said "I'm shattered," and she'd sarcastically say, "really, how shocking."  My training perspective has changed, but I have never had a good or accurate body image.  I've lost 25 pounds in the last 4-5 months.  I know I look different, but I feel the same way about my body I did 25 pounds heavier.  My head is the real problem.

At any rate, I've never been one for technical analysis of a swim stroke, but I can realte my experience.  I started to get some high bicep soreness on my left (non-breathing) side during long swims.  Started when I did the 4.8 miler with insufficient distance training, and never really went away.  I started incorporating bi lateral breathing into my swimming, not for form or because BT says I must, but to take some pressure off that shoulder.  I realized when I breathed left, even though my form wasn't all that great, I put a tremendous amount of pressure on the non breathing side.  As bryan says, I think I use it to pull deeper to compensate.  Might also be exacerbated by an overaggressive roll to the breathing side.  How far up do you bring your face to breath, or where is the water line in your goggles?  For me, the sweet spot is a line right across the middle of my right goggle (breathing to the right).  If I see more air, like I do on my left side, I know I am coming up too far

Sort of my roundabout way of saying concentrate on how deep you are pulling, and think of swimming over the barrel.  That may keep the elbow up enough to solve the problem.

Just my .02/thoughts.  I am not a coach and have never had any technical stroke instruction

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Fred D - 2012-02-03 1:12 PM Oh and any over/under bets on the crossfit thread before it gets pulled?

Dang it, I hate it when I am busy, must go read thread now...

Not much on my plate this weekend.  Short run on Sat, race on Sunday. 



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Fred D - 2012-02-03 1:12 PM Oh and any over/under bets on the crossfit thread before it gets pulled?

Dang it, I hate it when I am busy, must go read thread now...

Not much on my plate this weekend.  Short run on Sat, race on Sunday. 

I know that BT is supposed to be a place for active discussion, but there should be a screen when you click "Start Thread" that says "Have you searched for this and read what is already posted? If no, give it a shot. If yes, and you still have a concern that wasn't fully addressed in other threads, please continue."

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Fred D - 2012-02-03 1:12 PM Oh and any over/under bets on the crossfit thread before it gets pulled?

Dang it, I hate it when I am busy, must go read thread now...

Not much on my plate this weekend.  Short run on Sat, race on Sunday. 

I know that BT is supposed to be a place for active discussion, but there should be a screen when you click "Start Thread" that says "Have you searched for this and read what is already posted? If no, give it a shot. If yes, and you still have a concern that wasn't fully addressed in other threads, please continue."

Hum, you know, that wouldn't be that hard.  Any support site I log technical issues on does that.  You type in your subject and a brief description and it brings up a page of possible matches to see if you can save everyone some time. 

ETA: but of course what would Fred and Chris do?  The site probably would get pretty boring.



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Fred D - 2012-02-03 4:26 PM Marma and Ron don't prefer that approach. They think it stifles new conversation. I can see both sides, but c'mon some of those threads are just gold baby. Gold Jerry! (seinfeld reference)

I understand why they don't. I just feel bad that people jump in with a question like that and might get discouraged by the silliness that ensues.

Maybe just search threads in the last 2-4 weeks?

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Fred D - 2012-02-03 12:24 PM My advice for those having trouble getting up in the am? HTFU.

LOL!

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TSimone - 2012-02-03 1:40 PM
ChrisM - 2012-02-03 1:14 PM
roadrhino - 2012-02-03 10:08 AM
ChrisM - 2012-02-03 12:05 PM

Got my weight back down to 209 and change.� a little more than 4 pounds to go to reach my goal of racing Calif. 70.3 30# lighter than last year.

Awesome job on the weight loss...quite an accomplishment, and you're way ahead of your goal time frame...so will you re-adjust now and shoot for more weight loss by race day?

Not sure.� There is a tendency in triathletes to try and push as far as they can go (I can go), so it's tempting.� My wife has said I've lost enough already.� I still see room for improvement (objectively, I think).� I would love to not have the ability to register as a clydesdale (so under 200).� I do know that whatever the goal is I am nearing it, and I will have to move from a weight loss mentality (which is stricter) to a maintenance mentality (which scares me, left to my own devices I could easily be back at the 274 I was when I started all this.....)

I just don't know what a "healthy" weight for me is.� I know "normal" BMI for me is 192 at the top, for what that is worth.� I guess I will let my body tell me where it feels best.

Maintenance is harder for me, too. I use the "look test" instead of the scale or BMI now. If I see what I think is some body fat that needs to go, I stay in weight loss mode. FWIW, I haven't hit true maintence mode yet. My problem is I go into a lower level of overall activity/poor eating after my last race of the year and I can easily jump up 15-20 pounds. On my 5'9" frame, that's a lot.You're doing great. Focus less on BMI and more on body fat IMO. I'd get tested if I thought it would help, but as long as I can see a little fat around the middle, I know I have work to do. My wife tells me the same thing. I have to remind her that I was 217 lbs 2 years ago and haven't hit my race weight goals yet.

You hit the nail in the head! 

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