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thor67 - 2012-06-25 4:18 AM

Well anniversary 17 for me and my bride! Kids were at aunties so we went to a spin class then swam some laps. Coffee afterwards! Never would have predicted this 17 years ago!

I also bought her the 12 pack IPA beers because as we all know IPA's are the 17th anniversary gift.(pale ales are 16!)

So far the Rye ipa has been a pleasant surprise. A great summertime drink!

I like your style.  Happy anniversary.



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thor67 - 2012-06-24 6:18 PM

Well anniversary 17 for me and my bride! Kids were at aunties so we went to a spin class then swam some laps. Coffee afterwards! Never would have predicted this 17 years ago!

I also bought her the 12 pack IPA beers because as we all know IPA's are the 17th anniversary gift.(pale ales are 16!)

So far the Rye ipa has been a pleasant surprise. A great summertime drink!

Happy Anniversary to you!  Not sure what's better - all the beers you tried or the fact that you got to enjoy some kid free time!  

As for the anniversary gift - the fact that your wife got you a box of IPA's is proof that she is an incredible woman.  You know what my wife got me for my 13th?  She took me to have my back waxed!  To be fair, I asked for it... but I can think of a lot of things I'd rather have!

Back waxed? wow you should get your body done for the next oly. Just think how aero you will be....Laughing

2012-06-25 10:25 AM
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Last week someone mentioned Bells 2 Hearted Ale.  After my ride on Saturday I made my way over to the Racer 5 tap and right next to it was a newly tapped Lagunitas IPA.  Really?  Suddenly I find myself in the center of my own universe.  Or perhaps the beer monger just wanted me to shut up once and for all.  Oh and they also have a Green Flash?  Every had it?  Nice.  I think its from San Diego.  Anyway I digress.  After a blind taste test comparing the Lagunitas to the Racer 5.  Lagunitas won the tasting.  Oh right...Bells...so they did not have the Ale but they did have the Oberan.  It is described as a "wheat" but I tasted it and I didn't get any wheat at all.  I hate wheat's.  This was a clean crisp tasting beer and it makes me look forward to the Ale. 

Sunday arrives and thusly my beer free week ensues.  Until I get down to fighting weight I won't drink a beer until Friday.  I drink vicariously through you.  

I ran for 2 hours Sunday morning and stayed on my feet all day cooking for the week.  I didn't rest until 7ish last night.  I kept thinking of it as time on my feet and I can't get my head around the ultra distance...my feet were killing me.  They still are today and I fear the onset of Plantar as I massage and ice the back part of the arch of my foot.  I think next weekend I am definitely going to wear band-aids because my nipples almost fell off in the shower this morning.

 

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stilgarnaib - 2012-06-25 9:25 AM

Last week someone mentioned Bells 2 Hearted Ale.  After my ride on Saturday I made my way over to the Racer 5 tap and right next to it was a newly tapped Lagunitas IPA.  Really?  Suddenly I find myself in the center of my own universe.  Or perhaps the beer monger just wanted me to shut up once and for all.  Oh and they also have a Green Flash?  Every had it?  Nice.  I think its from San Diego.  Anyway I digress.  After a blind taste test comparing the Lagunitas to the Racer 5.  Lagunitas won the tasting.  Oh right...Bells...so they did not have the Ale but they did have the Oberan.  It is described as a "wheat" but I tasted it and I didn't get any wheat at all.  I hate wheat's.  This was a clean crisp tasting beer and it makes me look forward to the Ale. 

Sunday arrives and thusly my beer free week ensues.  Until I get down to fighting weight I won't drink a beer until Friday.  I drink vicariously through you.  

I ran for 2 hours Sunday morning and stayed on my feet all day cooking for the week.  I didn't rest until 7ish last night.  I kept thinking of it as time on my feet and I can't get my head around the ultra distance...my feet were killing me.  They still are today and I fear the onset of Plantar as I massage and ice the back part of the arch of my foot.  I think next weekend I am definitely going to wear band-aids because my nipples almost fell off in the shower this morning.

 



the key to that nipple thing is gobs of Vaseline. Don't be shy. I put that stuff everywhere.

The thing with running an ultra is that your legs hurt so much you hardly notice your feet until it is over.
2012-06-25 3:04 PM
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re back waxing.

Um, no.

One of my favorites is running and passing some people and letting out a, "hey how you doing?" as I go past them, then they say "hi" back only realizing too late as I pass them that they have conversed with a sweaty yeti. Although I think that societies tolerance towards non manicured backs has increased in the last couple years.

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I run with a guy on Tuesdays and Thursdays.  He takes his shirt off when it gets hot.  I'd take mine off but I fear a child would throw me a banana 


2012-06-25 3:34 PM
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I got a 45 mile bike ride in today.  2:50:09 for a 15.86 mph pace.  About 30 of it was on the HIM course, so this is a huge confidence builder going in. 3 times, I was riding in terrential downpours, and that was interesting.  I just kept thinking that the CouerD'Alene Ironman is happening today, and if they can ride 112 miles in it, I can put up with a 45 miler.Sadly, there are no beverages in my near future as I am sitting at 180 this morning.  Frown  The wife and I got a little carried away celebrating her lifetime membership to WW.  It was like Rum diaries meets Fireball.  Big weigh in on Wednesday, I want to be ready!

 

Finally - I may dial down my long ride this week.  I'm just concerned about losing two long rides with my race coming up in 8 weeks... Last week, I did 45 with 2000 feet of elevation gain - it almost killed me... I'll finish but 115 with 4000 feet is serious business....  If you take into account the two weeks for the OLY taper and factor in the 2 weeks for the Century - I've got 4 long rides left.  

Final thought - would riding a century in 4 weeks help?  Not for time - but just to improve my confidence and get in a serious ride while I'm up here.

Yes.  With the 4 weeks, build 15 miles each week.  You just did 50, taper for your OLY.  Do your OLY, while you ride like 35 miles for a long ride that week.  Then the weekend following your OLY, you have 4 long rides left, go 65, 75, 85, 100 in the last 4 weeks before taper for the 115 miler.  up your intermediate rides as well, and make sure you take an off day the day after your long rides to stretch, and take an off day when your body tells you you need one.  Maybe 2 off days everyother week or so. 

My .02

Training for 2 events is not ideal, and you've done a great job doing it, and you can and will ride up to 100 miles to train for century ride.Wink

a back waxing?  I bet that hurt like a son of a-

 

 



Another way of looking at it is that training for two events sure is not going to put you in the best shape for either event but will likely put you in better shape 6 months down the road.

Excelling in endurance sports takes time (read years) and I think a lot of people do themselves a disservice by concentrating on peaking and tapering and recovering too often. I mean properly done that takes 4 week minimum. That is 4 weeks where you actually have a net loss of fitness at the end of the 4 weeks, although presumably better fitness then when you started the program.

The whole base, peak, race, recover training program is based on people going out there and giving it their all for those 18 or 24 or whatever weeks.

In truth I can't really say though as I have trained through just about every race save my first IM. I know I would perform better if I did a proper peak/taper but I feel that the long term fitness gain I sacrifice by doing so, at this time, is not worth it.

2012-06-25 3:57 PM
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I got a 45 mile bike ride in today.  2:50:09 for a 15.86 mph pace.  About 30 of it was on the HIM course, so this is a huge confidence builder going in. 3 times, I was riding in terrential downpours, and that was interesting.  I just kept thinking that the CouerD'Alene Ironman is happening today, and if they can ride 112 miles in it, I can put up with a 45 miler.Sadly, there are no beverages in my near future as I am sitting at 180 this morning.  Frown  The wife and I got a little carried away celebrating her lifetime membership to WW.  It was like Rum diaries meets Fireball.  Big weigh in on Wednesday, I want to be ready!

 

Finally - I may dial down my long ride this week.  I'm just concerned about losing two long rides with my race coming up in 8 weeks... Last week, I did 45 with 2000 feet of elevation gain - it almost killed me... I'll finish but 115 with 4000 feet is serious business....  If you take into account the two weeks for the OLY taper and factor in the 2 weeks for the Century - I've got 4 long rides left.  

Final thought - would riding a century in 4 weeks help?  Not for time - but just to improve my confidence and get in a serious ride while I'm up here.

Yes.  With the 4 weeks, build 15 miles each week.  You just did 50, taper for your OLY.  Do your OLY, while you ride like 35 miles for a long ride that week.  Then the weekend following your OLY, you have 4 long rides left, go 65, 75, 85, 100 in the last 4 weeks before taper for the 115 miler.  up your intermediate rides as well, and make sure you take an off day the day after your long rides to stretch, and take an off day when your body tells you you need one.  Maybe 2 off days everyother week or so. 

My .02

Training for 2 events is not ideal, and you've done a great job doing it, and you can and will ride up to 100 miles to train for century ride.Wink

a back waxing?  I bet that hurt like a son of a-

 

 

Another way of looking at it is that training for two events sure is not going to put you in the best shape for either event but will likely put you in better shape 6 months down the road. Excelling in endurance sports takes time (read years) and I think a lot of people do themselves a disservice by concentrating on peaking and tapering and recovering too often. I mean properly done that takes 4 week minimum. That is 4 weeks where you actually have a net loss of fitness at the end of the 4 weeks, although presumably better fitness then when you started the program. The whole base, peak, race, recover training program is based on people going out there and giving it their all for those 18 or 24 or whatever weeks. In truth I can't really say though as I have trained through just about every race save my first IM. I know I would perform better if I did a proper peak/taper but I feel that the long term fitness gain I sacrifice by doing so, at this time, is not worth it.

This is a great topic, and one I've not mastered or even noviced at yet.  I started Marathon training in the winter of 2009.  I ran 2 in 2010, one in the spring, one in the fall.  between them, I had a month down time.  I ran 2 more in 2011, back to back with 3 weeks between them.  My second race being my A race.  I failed miserably on race #2, even with 3 weeks between events, largly because my body just cannot perform at peak with that short of rest.  That was a huge dissapointment for me, and I didn't even race the rest of the year, because I never got back on the horse.

Then I started tri training, and threw a marathon plan together last fall into this year.  With a good taper, I almost met my goal.  I'm currently at peak training phase for upcoming half, (tired as he77) and will do a solid 2 weeks tapering down prior to race. 

My question is how to maintain fitness over winter this year prior to starting upcoming training for next years Half?  Also, do I start at the beginning for base phase, then build, then peak, taper, on HIM plan again, or can I jump into a plan with more intensity training (while working on form with recovery efforts) prior to build phase to increase overall fitness and speed.  My overall goal for next years HIM distance is to place better, higher than this year respective to the venue, pushing forward to the following years IM training.  How I shape this off season going into next year, is how I'm hopefully shaping the following off season going into IM training, and then repeat the process for a better IM the 2nd time than the first until I KQ or die trying. 

How do you shape your offseason DH?  Do you take months off to recover, recharge for the following year, or do you just push through the whole year through?  What are your thoughts on how I might handle my offseason in regards to my goals at finishing my first HIM, placing better at next HIM, finishing IM, and improving on IM in four successive years?

 

2012-06-27 11:59 AM
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176.2 this morning.  still a loss, barely. I traded a bigger loss for a new brew last night.  Ironhorse brewing is out of Ellensburg WA, And I had their Ale.  at 7.8% it almost tasted like a barleywine over an ale.

 Same story this last week.  I climbed all the way back up to 181, then had to really manage the last 2 days to get back down.  This weeks goal is to keep it back down, so I can make gains towards 168 lb. goal. 

Got a 21 miler planned on the bike today, yesterdays 6 mile run has me with some achilles heal pain, thinking I'll ice that tonight.

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kevinbe - 2012-06-27 12:59 PM

176.2 this morning.  still a loss, barely. I traded a bigger loss for a new brew last night.  Ironhorse brewing is out of Ellensburg WA, And I had their Ale.  at 7.8% it almost tasted like a barleywine over an ale.

 Same story this last week.  I climbed all the way back up to 181, then had to really manage the last 2 days to get back down.  This weeks goal is to keep it back down, so I can make gains towards 168 lb. goal. 

Got a 21 miler planned on the bike today, yesterdays 6 mile run has me with some achilles heal pain, thinking I'll ice that tonight.

Good luck man.  Since I have been started being conscious of my weight I feel slimmer but I still am afraid to weigh myself.  I think on Friday I will finally weigh in and see how bad the winter/spring really was.  On an up note I do feel more gaunt and my runs have been getting a tad faster. 

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stilgarnaib - 2012-06-27 10:29 PM
kevinbe - 2012-06-27 12:59 PM

176.2 this morning.  still a loss, barely. I traded a bigger loss for a new brew last night.  Ironhorse brewing is out of Ellensburg WA, And I had their Ale.  at 7.8% it almost tasted like a barleywine over an ale.

 Same story this last week.  I climbed all the way back up to 181, then had to really manage the last 2 days to get back down.  This weeks goal is to keep it back down, so I can make gains towards 168 lb. goal. 

Got a 21 miler planned on the bike today, yesterdays 6 mile run has me with some achilles heal pain, thinking I'll ice that tonight.

Good luck man.  Since I have been started being conscious of my weight I feel slimmer but I still am afraid to weigh myself.  I think on Friday I will finally weigh in and see how bad the winter/spring really was.  On an up note I do feel more gaunt and my runs have been getting a tad faster. 

We're nearing the end of our weight loss or pay up to the other members of the group program.  This is a challenging ballance, as this is the beer drinker's appreciation society board, and the two can sometimes conflict with each other, unless your name is David, then it doesn't matter what you drink, your still losing weight.Wink



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kevinbe - 2012-06-26 1:57 AM
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I got a 45 mile bike ride in today.  2:50:09 for a 15.86 mph pace.  About 30 of it was on the HIM course, so this is a huge confidence builder going in. 3 times, I was riding in terrential downpours, and that was interesting.  I just kept thinking that the CouerD'Alene Ironman is happening today, and if they can ride 112 miles in it, I can put up with a 45 miler.Sadly, there are no beverages in my near future as I am sitting at 180 this morning.  Frown  The wife and I got a little carried away celebrating her lifetime membership to WW.  It was like Rum diaries meets Fireball.  Big weigh in on Wednesday, I want to be ready!

 

Finally - I may dial down my long ride this week.  I'm just concerned about losing two long rides with my race coming up in 8 weeks... Last week, I did 45 with 2000 feet of elevation gain - it almost killed me... I'll finish but 115 with 4000 feet is serious business....  If you take into account the two weeks for the OLY taper and factor in the 2 weeks for the Century - I've got 4 long rides left.  

Final thought - would riding a century in 4 weeks help?  Not for time - but just to improve my confidence and get in a serious ride while I'm up here.

Yes.  With the 4 weeks, build 15 miles each week.  You just did 50, taper for your OLY.  Do your OLY, while you ride like 35 miles for a long ride that week.  Then the weekend following your OLY, you have 4 long rides left, go 65, 75, 85, 100 in the last 4 weeks before taper for the 115 miler.  up your intermediate rides as well, and make sure you take an off day the day after your long rides to stretch, and take an off day when your body tells you you need one.  Maybe 2 off days everyother week or so. 

My .02

Training for 2 events is not ideal, and you've done a great job doing it, and you can and will ride up to 100 miles to train for century ride.Wink

a back waxing?  I bet that hurt like a son of a-

 

 

Another way of looking at it is that training for two events sure is not going to put you in the best shape for either event but will likely put you in better shape 6 months down the road. Excelling in endurance sports takes time (read years) and I think a lot of people do themselves a disservice by concentrating on peaking and tapering and recovering too often. I mean properly done that takes 4 week minimum. That is 4 weeks where you actually have a net loss of fitness at the end of the 4 weeks, although presumably better fitness then when you started the program. The whole base, peak, race, recover training program is based on people going out there and giving it their all for those 18 or 24 or whatever weeks. In truth I can't really say though as I have trained through just about every race save my first IM. I know I would perform better if I did a proper peak/taper but I feel that the long term fitness gain I sacrifice by doing so, at this time, is not worth it.

This is a great topic, and one I've not mastered or even noviced at yet.  I started Marathon training in the winter of 2009.  I ran 2 in 2010, one in the spring, one in the fall.  between them, I had a month down time.  I ran 2 more in 2011, back to back with 3 weeks between them.  My second race being my A race.  I failed miserably on race #2, even with 3 weeks between events, largly because my body just cannot perform at peak with that short of rest.  That was a huge dissapointment for me, and I didn't even race the rest of the year, because I never got back on the horse.

Then I started tri training, and threw a marathon plan together last fall into this year.  With a good taper, I almost met my goal.  I'm currently at peak training phase for upcoming half, (tired as he77) and will do a solid 2 weeks tapering down prior to race. 

My question is how to maintain fitness over winter this year prior to starting upcoming training for next years Half?  Also, do I start at the beginning for base phase, then build, then peak, taper, on HIM plan again, or can I jump into a plan with more intensity training (while working on form with recovery efforts) prior to build phase to increase overall fitness and speed.  My overall goal for next years HIM distance is to place better, higher than this year respective to the venue, pushing forward to the following years IM training.  How I shape this off season going into next year, is how I'm hopefully shaping the following off season going into IM training, and then repeat the process for a better IM the 2nd time than the first until I KQ or die trying. 

How do you shape your offseason DH?  Do you take months off to recover, recharge for the following year, or do you just push through the whole year through?  What are your thoughts on how I might handle my offseason in regards to my goals at finishing my first HIM, placing better at next HIM, finishing IM, and improving on IM in four successive years?

 

I found this little gemstone that offers some insight to the taper that totaly screws my head all up.  It's saying to do more than I have previously thought.  A good read.

http://triathlon.competitor.com/2012/06/training/perfecting-the-ironman-taper_10355

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work is a b i t c h. I can barely find my own head let alone keep up with your posts and beer drinking.

I appear to have given up on losing weight as I made a giant bowl of kettle corn on Sunday and a giant pot of rice pudding yesterday. Just call me fatty.

In other news, I am kicking a s s on biking and running. Going to hit 30+ hours of each this month which is truly epic.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Good thing there is a long weekend.
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kevinbe - 2012-06-25 2:57 PM

BigDH - 2012-06-26 1:34 AM
kevinbe - 2012-06-24 10:09 PM
Qua17 - 2012-06-25 7:03 AM
kevinbe - 2012-06-24 1:02 PM

I got a 45 mile bike ride in today.  2:50:09 for a 15.86 mph pace.  About 30 of it was on the HIM course, so this is a huge confidence builder going in. 3 times, I was riding in terrential downpours, and that was interesting.  I just kept thinking that the CouerD'Alene Ironman is happening today, and if they can ride 112 miles in it, I can put up with a 45 miler.Sadly, there are no beverages in my near future as I am sitting at 180 this morning.  Frown  The wife and I got a little carried away celebrating her lifetime membership to WW.  It was like Rum diaries meets Fireball.  Big weigh in on Wednesday, I want to be ready!

 

Finally - I may dial down my long ride this week.  I'm just concerned about losing two long rides with my race coming up in 8 weeks... Last week, I did 45 with 2000 feet of elevation gain - it almost killed me... I'll finish but 115 with 4000 feet is serious business....  If you take into account the two weeks for the OLY taper and factor in the 2 weeks for the Century - I've got 4 long rides left.  

Final thought - would riding a century in 4 weeks help?  Not for time - but just to improve my confidence and get in a serious ride while I'm up here.

Yes.  With the 4 weeks, build 15 miles each week.  You just did 50, taper for your OLY.  Do your OLY, while you ride like 35 miles for a long ride that week.  Then the weekend following your OLY, you have 4 long rides left, go 65, 75, 85, 100 in the last 4 weeks before taper for the 115 miler.  up your intermediate rides as well, and make sure you take an off day the day after your long rides to stretch, and take an off day when your body tells you you need one.  Maybe 2 off days everyother week or so. 

My .02

Training for 2 events is not ideal, and you've done a great job doing it, and you can and will ride up to 100 miles to train for century ride.Wink

a back waxing?  I bet that hurt like a son of a-

 

 

Another way of looking at it is that training for two events sure is not going to put you in the best shape for either event but will likely put you in better shape 6 months down the road. Excelling in endurance sports takes time (read years) and I think a lot of people do themselves a disservice by concentrating on peaking and tapering and recovering too often. I mean properly done that takes 4 week minimum. That is 4 weeks where you actually have a net loss of fitness at the end of the 4 weeks, although presumably better fitness then when you started the program. The whole base, peak, race, recover training program is based on people going out there and giving it their all for those 18 or 24 or whatever weeks. In truth I can't really say though as I have trained through just about every race save my first IM. I know I would perform better if I did a proper peak/taper but I feel that the long term fitness gain I sacrifice by doing so, at this time, is not worth it.

This is a great topic, and one I've not mastered or even noviced at yet.  I started Marathon training in the winter of 2009.  I ran 2 in 2010, one in the spring, one in the fall.  between them, I had a month down time.  I ran 2 more in 2011, back to back with 3 weeks between them.  My second race being my A race.  I failed miserably on race #2, even with 3 weeks between events, largly because my body just cannot perform at peak with that short of rest.  That was a huge dissapointment for me, and I didn't even race the rest of the year, because I never got back on the horse.

Then I started tri training, and threw a marathon plan together last fall into this year.  With a good taper, I almost met my goal.  I'm currently at peak training phase for upcoming half, (tired as he77) and will do a solid 2 weeks tapering down prior to race. 

My question is how to maintain fitness over winter this year prior to starting upcoming training for next years Half?  Also, do I start at the beginning for base phase, then build, then peak, taper, on HIM plan again, or can I jump into a plan with more intensity training (while working on form with recovery efforts) prior to build phase to increase overall fitness and speed.  My overall goal for next years HIM distance is to place better, higher than this year respective to the venue, pushing forward to the following years IM training.  How I shape this off season going into next year, is how I'm hopefully shaping the following off season going into IM training, and then repeat the process for a better IM the 2nd time than the first until I KQ or die trying. 

How do you shape your offseason DH?  Do you take months off to recover, recharge for the following year, or do you just push through the whole year through?  What are your thoughts on how I might handle my offseason in regards to my goals at finishing my first HIM, placing better at next HIM, finishing IM, and improving on IM in four successive years?

 



Ha, I think that is a great question. I gotta say, you strike me as the type of guy who can put it all out there when you have to. You hold nothing back in races and that is what racing is all about. Your consistency in training is awesome although I feel that your quantity is lacking (and when you are training for IM Quality = Quantity). How can I say that when you kick my butt at races, I mean, I don't know. You sure aren't the first guy to train less than I do and put up better times.

So, what to do for the next 4 years? hmmmm. I can't help but think that what you are doing is working. It seems foolish to mess with it. For me, I have been trying to hit weekly running mileage goals for 2.5 years. I don't want to stop running after a marathon, although my body usually prevents me from getting back into high volume for 4-6 weeks (note last 6 weeks of training).

Practically, I think there is no problem in increasing intensity for three straight weeks then dropping it to 50 percent in the fourth week. I think you can do that forever and never burnout. For the most part I do that automatically despite my wish to keep putting up high numbers. So take a week off. There is a guy here, Jorge, he puts on a cycling program every winter that people love and gets them in good shape.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

I would do that.

Continue to build your run, keep up with the 2 hour long runs for sure, take some swimming lessons to become completely effortless in the water. Swim swim swim swim swim. Do not stop swimming.

If you stop anything you will suffer for it. You will lose your fitness and your technique and not improve nearly as fast or even at all. Lots of people wonder why they don't improve and it is because they need that base phase to get back into shape. Imagine if you can hit your base phase closer to your peak phase this year. I think that would be a lofty goal but you should be going faster and longer at your base phase next year then you did this year and so on.

Don't take a month. But you don't have to "push through" either. You can reduce your volume significantly for a two or three weeks, and it isn't the best, but it won't kill you. Just hop back on the horse and get a couple of good training cycles in.

There are guys who KQ here, but they don't do it on 10 hours a week (well during their off time maybe they are just putting in 10 hours a week).

check out Bryan's logs for the past year

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/training-repo...

(another guy I run and bike more but is infinity faster than me)

Anyways, it is a rambling response, I hope it helps.
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I got a 45 mile bike ride in today.  2:50:09 for a 15.86 mph pace.  About 30 of it was on the HIM course, so this is a huge confidence builder going in. 3 times, I was riding in terrential downpours, and that was interesting.  I just kept thinking that the CouerD'Alene Ironman is happening today, and if they can ride 112 miles in it, I can put up with a 45 miler.Sadly, there are no beverages in my near future as I am sitting at 180 this morning.  Frown  The wife and I got a little carried away celebrating her lifetime membership to WW.  It was like Rum diaries meets Fireball.  Big weigh in on Wednesday, I want to be ready!

 

Finally - I may dial down my long ride this week.  I'm just concerned about losing two long rides with my race coming up in 8 weeks... Last week, I did 45 with 2000 feet of elevation gain - it almost killed me... I'll finish but 115 with 4000 feet is serious business....  If you take into account the two weeks for the OLY taper and factor in the 2 weeks for the Century - I've got 4 long rides left.  

Final thought - would riding a century in 4 weeks help?  Not for time - but just to improve my confidence and get in a serious ride while I'm up here.

Yes.  With the 4 weeks, build 15 miles each week.  You just did 50, taper for your OLY.  Do your OLY, while you ride like 35 miles for a long ride that week.  Then the weekend following your OLY, you have 4 long rides left, go 65, 75, 85, 100 in the last 4 weeks before taper for the 115 miler.  up your intermediate rides as well, and make sure you take an off day the day after your long rides to stretch, and take an off day when your body tells you you need one.  Maybe 2 off days everyother week or so. 

My .02

Training for 2 events is not ideal, and you've done a great job doing it, and you can and will ride up to 100 miles to train for century ride.Wink

a back waxing?  I bet that hurt like a son of a-

 

 

Another way of looking at it is that training for two events sure is not going to put you in the best shape for either event but will likely put you in better shape 6 months down the road. Excelling in endurance sports takes time (read years) and I think a lot of people do themselves a disservice by concentrating on peaking and tapering and recovering too often. I mean properly done that takes 4 week minimum. That is 4 weeks where you actually have a net loss of fitness at the end of the 4 weeks, although presumably better fitness then when you started the program. The whole base, peak, race, recover training program is based on people going out there and giving it their all for those 18 or 24 or whatever weeks. In truth I can't really say though as I have trained through just about every race save my first IM. I know I would perform better if I did a proper peak/taper but I feel that the long term fitness gain I sacrifice by doing so, at this time, is not worth it.

This is a great topic, and one I've not mastered or even noviced at yet.  I started Marathon training in the winter of 2009.  I ran 2 in 2010, one in the spring, one in the fall.  between them, I had a month down time.  I ran 2 more in 2011, back to back with 3 weeks between them.  My second race being my A race.  I failed miserably on race #2, even with 3 weeks between events, largly because my body just cannot perform at peak with that short of rest.  That was a huge dissapointment for me, and I didn't even race the rest of the year, because I never got back on the horse.

Then I started tri training, and threw a marathon plan together last fall into this year.  With a good taper, I almost met my goal.  I'm currently at peak training phase for upcoming half, (tired as he77) and will do a solid 2 weeks tapering down prior to race. 

My question is how to maintain fitness over winter this year prior to starting upcoming training for next years Half?  Also, do I start at the beginning for base phase, then build, then peak, taper, on HIM plan again, or can I jump into a plan with more intensity training (while working on form with recovery efforts) prior to build phase to increase overall fitness and speed.  My overall goal for next years HIM distance is to place better, higher than this year respective to the venue, pushing forward to the following years IM training.  How I shape this off season going into next year, is how I'm hopefully shaping the following off season going into IM training, and then repeat the process for a better IM the 2nd time than the first until I KQ or die trying. 

How do you shape your offseason DH?  Do you take months off to recover, recharge for the following year, or do you just push through the whole year through?  What are your thoughts on how I might handle my offseason in regards to my goals at finishing my first HIM, placing better at next HIM, finishing IM, and improving on IM in four successive years?

 

Ha, I think that is a great question. I gotta say, you strike me as the type of guy who can put it all out there when you have to. You hold nothing back in races and that is what racing is all about. Your consistency in training is awesome although I feel that your quantity is lacking (and when you are training for IM Quality = Quantity). How can I say that when you kick my butt at races, I mean, I don't know. You sure aren't the first guy to train less than I do and put up better times. So, what to do for the next 4 years? hmmmm. I can't help but think that what you are doing is working. It seems foolish to mess with it. For me, I have been trying to hit weekly running mileage goals for 2.5 years. I don't want to stop running after a marathon, although my body usually prevents me from getting back into high volume for 4-6 weeks (note last 6 weeks of training). Practically, I think there is no problem in increasing intensity for three straight weeks then dropping it to 50 percent in the fourth week. I think you can do that forever and never burnout. For the most part I do that automatically despite my wish to keep putting up high numbers. So take a week off. There is a guy here, Jorge, he puts on a cycling program every winter that people love and gets them in good shape. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... I would do that. Continue to build your run, keep up with the 2 hour long runs for sure, take some swimming lessons to become completely effortless in the water. Swim swim swim swim swim. Do not stop swimming. If you stop anything you will suffer for it. You will lose your fitness and your technique and not improve nearly as fast or even at all. Lots of people wonder why they don't improve and it is because they need that base phase to get back into shape. Imagine if you can hit your base phase closer to your peak phase this year. I think that would be a lofty goal but you should be going faster and longer at your base phase next year then you did this year and so on. Don't take a month. But you don't have to "push through" either. You can reduce your volume significantly for a two or three weeks, and it isn't the best, but it won't kill you. Just hop back on the horse and get a couple of good training cycles in. There are guys who KQ here, but they don't do it on 10 hours a week (well during their off time maybe they are just putting in 10 hours a week). check out Bryan's logs for the past year http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/training-repo... (another guy I run and bike more but is infinity faster than me) Anyways, it is a rambling response, I hope it helps.

Thanks DH.  Knowledge is power, and this empowers me to looking into shaping the "offseason".  I just visualized myself doing two 20 week HIM plans prior to next HIM.  I will check out Jorge's program, and check out Bryan's logs.  Awesome stuff man.  I have a vision of doing Couer D'Alene in 12:00.  That's a pretty lofty goal, but I have 2 years to get there.  With increased volume, it can be done.

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176.2 this morning.  still a loss, barely. I traded a bigger loss for a new brew last night.  Ironhorse brewing is out of Ellensburg WA, And I had their Ale.  at 7.8% it almost tasted like a barleywine over an ale.

 Same story this last week.  I climbed all the way back up to 181, then had to really manage the last 2 days to get back down.  This weeks goal is to keep it back down, so I can make gains towards 168 lb. goal. 

Got a 21 miler planned on the bike today, yesterdays 6 mile run has me with some achilles heal pain, thinking I'll ice that tonight.

Good luck man.  Since I have been started being conscious of my weight I feel slimmer but I still am afraid to weigh myself.  I think on Friday I will finally weigh in and see how bad the winter/spring really was.  On an up note I do feel more gaunt and my runs have been getting a tad faster. 

We're nearing the end of our weight loss or pay up to the other members of the group program.  This is a challenging ballance, as this is the beer drinker's appreciation society board, and the two can sometimes conflict with each other, unless your name is David, then it doesn't matter what you drink, your still losing weight.Wink

Late to the games. I didn't have the patience to go back and read what this was all about. Oh and it sounds like I don't like David. Sorry David.


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176.2 this morning.  still a loss, barely. I traded a bigger loss for a new brew last night.  Ironhorse brewing is out of Ellensburg WA, And I had their Ale.  at 7.8% it almost tasted like a barleywine over an ale.

 Same story this last week.  I climbed all the way back up to 181, then had to really manage the last 2 days to get back down.  This weeks goal is to keep it back down, so I can make gains towards 168 lb. goal. 

Got a 21 miler planned on the bike today, yesterdays 6 mile run has me with some achilles heal pain, thinking I'll ice that tonight.

Good luck man.  Since I have been started being conscious of my weight I feel slimmer but I still am afraid to weigh myself.  I think on Friday I will finally weigh in and see how bad the winter/spring really was.  On an up note I do feel more gaunt and my runs have been getting a tad faster. 

We're nearing the end of our weight loss or pay up to the other members of the group program.  This is a challenging ballance, as this is the beer drinker's appreciation society board, and the two can sometimes conflict with each other, unless your name is David, then it doesn't matter what you drink, your still losing weight.Wink

Thanks for the kind words - but last week was a big drop off from previous weeks.  I still lost 1/2 a pound - but my vacation and the change in location and schedule are doing my diet no favors.

Question - I have August 6 as the drop dead date for our bet.  Is this correct or is the date July 6?

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176.2 this morning.  still a loss, barely. I traded a bigger loss for a new brew last night.  Ironhorse brewing is out of Ellensburg WA, And I had their Ale.  at 7.8% it almost tasted like a barleywine over an ale.

 Same story this last week.  I climbed all the way back up to 181, then had to really manage the last 2 days to get back down.  This weeks goal is to keep it back down, so I can make gains towards 168 lb. goal. 

Got a 21 miler planned on the bike today, yesterdays 6 mile run has me with some achilles heal pain, thinking I'll ice that tonight.

Good luck man.  Since I have been started being conscious of my weight I feel slimmer but I still am afraid to weigh myself.  I think on Friday I will finally weigh in and see how bad the winter/spring really was.  On an up note I do feel more gaunt and my runs have been getting a tad faster. 

We're nearing the end of our weight loss or pay up to the other members of the group program.  This is a challenging ballance, as this is the beer drinker's appreciation society board, and the two can sometimes conflict with each other, unless your name is David, then it doesn't matter what you drink, your still losing weight.Wink

Thanks for the kind words - but last week was a big drop off from previous weeks.  I still lost 1/2 a pound - but my vacation and the change in location and schedule are doing my diet no favors.

Question - I have August 6 as the drop dead date for our bet.  Is this correct or is the date July 6?

Whoa David, we're going till the 6th of August (thankfully).

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OK - back on track... First - let me tell you how I got off track (what follows are details that would make the fattest pig in the barn proud): After a run on Tuesday morning, which I did with my wife (it was awesome!), I headed down with the family to visit a friend in Indy.  He and I share a love for the good things in life and so we decided to go to the best steak joint in the Midwest - St. Elmo's Steakhouse.  After beginning with a relatively harmless shrimp cocktail (the sauce had so much horseradish it nearly made me cry with joy), I demolished a 16 oz ribeye that was so tender I could have eaten it with my spoon.  But what was really unhealthy was the garlic mashed potatoes made with (you guessed it) half and half... I passed on the creme broulle and had low fat ice cream back at the friends house but with the beer, the scotch (balvenie 12 and 14), congac, and port, I imagine I ate more than 2500 calories.  

For breakfast, I enjoyed homemade bisquits and gravy (easily 1000 calories) before driving to Chicago to take my kids to a game at Wrigley Field.  I was hungry (how the hell is that possible) and thirsty (nothing new there) so I enjoyed a couple of pints and a braut at Goose Island Brewery.  On our way back to Michigan, I caved and had a quarter pounder and large fries at McDonalds...  

Today has been good.  I worked out for 90 minutes (bike and swim brick) and ate well.  I'm 1000 calories in the black and I plan on going for a walk tomorrow morning and doing a bike/run brick on Saturday.

Glad to be back on the forum... and even more glad that I've got 5 weeks to drop the last 3 pounds.

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I got a 45 mile bike ride in today.  2:50:09 for a 15.86 mph pace.  About 30 of it was on the HIM course, so this is a huge confidence builder going in. 3 times, I was riding in terrential downpours, and that was interesting.  I just kept thinking that the CouerD'Alene Ironman is happening today, and if they can ride 112 miles in it, I can put up with a 45 miler.Sadly, there are no beverages in my near future as I am sitting at 180 this morning.  Frown  The wife and I got a little carried away celebrating her lifetime membership to WW.  It was like Rum diaries meets Fireball.  Big weigh in on Wednesday, I want to be ready!

 

Finally - I may dial down my long ride this week.  I'm just concerned about losing two long rides with my race coming up in 8 weeks... Last week, I did 45 with 2000 feet of elevation gain - it almost killed me... I'll finish but 115 with 4000 feet is serious business....  If you take into account the two weeks for the OLY taper and factor in the 2 weeks for the Century - I've got 4 long rides left.  

Final thought - would riding a century in 4 weeks help?  Not for time - but just to improve my confidence and get in a serious ride while I'm up here.

Yes.  With the 4 weeks, build 15 miles each week.  You just did 50, taper for your OLY.  Do your OLY, while you ride like 35 miles for a long ride that week.  Then the weekend following your OLY, you have 4 long rides left, go 65, 75, 85, 100 in the last 4 weeks before taper for the 115 miler.  up your intermediate rides as well, and make sure you take an off day the day after your long rides to stretch, and take an off day when your body tells you you need one.  Maybe 2 off days everyother week or so. 

My .02

Training for 2 events is not ideal, and you've done a great job doing it, and you can and will ride up to 100 miles to train for century ride.Wink

a back waxing?  I bet that hurt like a son of a-

 

 

Another way of looking at it is that training for two events sure is not going to put you in the best shape for either event but will likely put you in better shape 6 months down the road. Excelling in endurance sports takes time (read years) and I think a lot of people do themselves a disservice by concentrating on peaking and tapering and recovering too often. I mean properly done that takes 4 week minimum. That is 4 weeks where you actually have a net loss of fitness at the end of the 4 weeks, although presumably better fitness then when you started the program. The whole base, peak, race, recover training program is based on people going out there and giving it their all for those 18 or 24 or whatever weeks. In truth I can't really say though as I have trained through just about every race save my first IM. I know I would perform better if I did a proper peak/taper but I feel that the long term fitness gain I sacrifice by doing so, at this time, is not worth it.

This is a great topic, and one I've not mastered or even noviced at yet.  I started Marathon training in the winter of 2009.  I ran 2 in 2010, one in the spring, one in the fall.  between them, I had a month down time.  I ran 2 more in 2011, back to back with 3 weeks between them.  My second race being my A race.  I failed miserably on race #2, even with 3 weeks between events, largly because my body just cannot perform at peak with that short of rest.  That was a huge dissapointment for me, and I didn't even race the rest of the year, because I never got back on the horse.

Then I started tri training, and threw a marathon plan together last fall into this year.  With a good taper, I almost met my goal.  I'm currently at peak training phase for upcoming half, (tired as he77) and will do a solid 2 weeks tapering down prior to race. 

My question is how to maintain fitness over winter this year prior to starting upcoming training for next years Half?  Also, do I start at the beginning for base phase, then build, then peak, taper, on HIM plan again, or can I jump into a plan with more intensity training (while working on form with recovery efforts) prior to build phase to increase overall fitness and speed.  My overall goal for next years HIM distance is to place better, higher than this year respective to the venue, pushing forward to the following years IM training.  How I shape this off season going into next year, is how I'm hopefully shaping the following off season going into IM training, and then repeat the process for a better IM the 2nd time than the first until I KQ or die trying. 

How do you shape your offseason DH?  Do you take months off to recover, recharge for the following year, or do you just push through the whole year through?  What are your thoughts on how I might handle my offseason in regards to my goals at finishing my first HIM, placing better at next HIM, finishing IM, and improving on IM in four successive years?

 

Ha, I think that is a great question. I gotta say, you strike me as the type of guy who can put it all out there when you have to. You hold nothing back in races and that is what racing is all about. Your consistency in training is awesome although I feel that your quantity is lacking (and when you are training for IM Quality = Quantity). How can I say that when you kick my butt at races, I mean, I don't know. You sure aren't the first guy to train less than I do and put up better times. So, what to do for the next 4 years? hmmmm. I can't help but think that what you are doing is working. It seems foolish to mess with it. For me, I have been trying to hit weekly running mileage goals for 2.5 years. I don't want to stop running after a marathon, although my body usually prevents me from getting back into high volume for 4-6 weeks (note last 6 weeks of training). Practically, I think there is no problem in increasing intensity for three straight weeks then dropping it to 50 percent in the fourth week. I think you can do that forever and never burnout. For the most part I do that automatically despite my wish to keep putting up high numbers. So take a week off. There is a guy here, Jorge, he puts on a cycling program every winter that people love and gets them in good shape. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... I would do that. Continue to build your run, keep up with the 2 hour long runs for sure, take some swimming lessons to become completely effortless in the water. Swim swim swim swim swim. Do not stop swimming. If you stop anything you will suffer for it. You will lose your fitness and your technique and not improve nearly as fast or even at all. Lots of people wonder why they don't improve and it is because they need that base phase to get back into shape. Imagine if you can hit your base phase closer to your peak phase this year. I think that would be a lofty goal but you should be going faster and longer at your base phase next year then you did this year and so on. Don't take a month. But you don't have to "push through" either. You can reduce your volume significantly for a two or three weeks, and it isn't the best, but it won't kill you. Just hop back on the horse and get a couple of good training cycles in. There are guys who KQ here, but they don't do it on 10 hours a week (well during their off time maybe they are just putting in 10 hours a week). check out Bryan's logs for the past year http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/training-repo... (another guy I run and bike more but is infinity faster than me) Anyways, it is a rambling response, I hope it helps.

Thanks DH.  Knowledge is power, and this empowers me to looking into shaping the "offseason".  I just visualized myself doing two 20 week HIM plans prior to next HIM.  I will check out Jorge's program, and check out Bryan's logs.  Awesome stuff man.  I have a vision of doing Couer D'Alene in 12:00.  That's a pretty lofty goal, but I have 2 years to get there.  With increased volume, it can be done.



Doing two HIM plans is a pretty good idea. With that type of long term plan you can think of making one or both of those programs centred on one of the disciplines that may need more help than the others.
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k, I gotta say it, this is page 69, and I am pretty proud we made it to page 69.

As they told me at the all inclusive, "it's the mexican number!"


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176.2 this morning.  still a loss, barely. I traded a bigger loss for a new brew last night.  Ironhorse brewing is out of Ellensburg WA, And I had their Ale.  at 7.8% it almost tasted like a barleywine over an ale.

 Same story this last week.  I climbed all the way back up to 181, then had to really manage the last 2 days to get back down.  This weeks goal is to keep it back down, so I can make gains towards 168 lb. goal. 

Got a 21 miler planned on the bike today, yesterdays 6 mile run has me with some achilles heal pain, thinking I'll ice that tonight.

Good luck man.  Since I have been started being conscious of my weight I feel slimmer but I still am afraid to weigh myself.  I think on Friday I will finally weigh in and see how bad the winter/spring really was.  On an up note I do feel more gaunt and my runs have been getting a tad faster. 

We're nearing the end of our weight loss or pay up to the other members of the group program.  This is a challenging ballance, as this is the beer drinker's appreciation society board, and the two can sometimes conflict with each other, unless your name is David, then it doesn't matter what you drink, your still losing weight.Wink

Thanks for the kind words - but last week was a big drop off from previous weeks.  I still lost 1/2 a pound - but my vacation and the change in location and schedule are doing my diet no favors.

Question - I have August 6 as the drop dead date for our bet.  Is this correct or is the date July 6?

Whoa David, we're going till the 6th of August (thankfully).



That is what I thought. Plenty of time for me to start my juice clense, ha.
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OK - back on track... First - let me tell you how I got off track (what follows are details that would make the fattest pig in the barn proud): After a run on Tuesday morning, which I did with my wife (it was awesome!), I headed down with the family to visit a friend in Indy.  He and I share a love for the good things in life and so we decided to go to the best steak joint in the Midwest - St. Elmo's Steakhouse.  After beginning with a relatively harmless shrimp cocktail (the sauce had so much horseradish it nearly made me cry with joy), I demolished a 16 oz ribeye that was so tender I could have eaten it with my spoon.  But what was really unhealthy was the garlic mashed potatoes made with (you guessed it) half and half... I passed on the creme broulle and had low fat ice cream back at the friends house but with the beer, the scotch (balvenie 12 and 14), congac, and port, I imagine I ate more than 2500 calories.  

For breakfast, I enjoyed homemade bisquits and gravy (easily 1000 calories) before driving to Chicago to take my kids to a game at Wrigley Field.  I was hungry (how the hell is that possible) and thirsty (nothing new there) so I enjoyed a couple of pints and a braut at Goose Island Brewery.  On our way back to Michigan, I caved and had a quarter pounder and large fries at McDonalds...  

Today has been good.  I worked out for 90 minutes (bike and swim brick) and ate well.  I'm 1000 calories in the black and I plan on going for a walk tomorrow morning and doing a bike/run brick on Saturday.

Glad to be back on the forum... and even more glad that I've got 5 weeks to drop the last 3 pounds.

Epic.  This sounds like the movie the Hangover, only with grownups w/kids. 

I had a mini-version of what happened here.  My in-laws had their 40th anniversary.  We had tri'tip steak, chicken tenderloins, tortalini's, ravioli's, red wine marinara, roasted garlic, etc.  I tried to have a salad base, but my appetite for cooked meat took over, and I found myself devouring meat chunk after meat chunk.  I didn't weigh the next morning, and find that a person needs these things in life almost weekly to feel good.

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Subject: RE: bigDH's accountability training a.k.a Beer Drinker's Appreciation Society

David, I prefer no picture...just kidding! Hey, if you can't enjoy yourself(ribeyes, BBQ, kettle corn, beer, rum) once in awhile than what is the point of all of this? The key is just not as often with some balance in exercise!

I am just getting over a case of gout in my foot...not pretty, should be able to run tomorrow...

Off camping with the inlaws this aft for the long weekend...beer/steak/chips/beer/bacon/eggs/beer/burgers/beer.

69, wow the last time I saw 69...aw skip it.

When we hit a 100 pages, we will have to have a get together in Banff or something. 

Have a good weekend everyone!

2012-06-29 10:10 AM
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Subject: RE: bigDH's accountability training a.k.a Beer Drinker's Appreciation Society
thor67 - 2012-06-29 9:02 AM

David, I prefer no picture...just kidding! Hey, if you can't enjoy yourself(ribeyes, BBQ, kettle corn, beer, rum) once in awhile than what is the point of all of this? The key is just not as often with some balance in exercise!

I am just getting over a case of gout in my foot...not pretty, should be able to run tomorrow...

Off camping with the inlaws this aft for the long weekend...beer/steak/chips/beer/bacon/eggs/beer/burgers/beer.

69, wow the last time I saw 69...aw skip it.

When we hit a 100 pages, we will have to have a get together in Banff or something. 

Have a good weekend everyone!



wtf with the gout. Too much red wine and meat? Wow. I knew a fat guy who had gout once. But then one of the cut black belts from my karate club told me he got it about once a year, that guy likes his red wine and meat.
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