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phxphotog - 2010-05-20 11:27 PM Tonight was a milestone in my training. I ran the whole 5k tonight and felt pretty good. Once again had some operator error on my garmin for about 1/2 mile (hit stop instead of lap) so I don't have a good time but I'm guessing just under 36 minutes. Once again, I know that is slow for everyone else but I'm fine with the time for now. Just building my base. Still on track for 12-15 miles this week.


Do you have the auto-lap feature turned on for the run?  I have mine set to auto-lap every mile during the run to get my mile splits.  That way I don't have to worry about pressing the lap button ever, unless I'm at a turn around point and want to be able to calculate my out time vs back time. 


I have the auto lap feature on and it gives me mile splits but I want to do lap times on our little neighborhood loop. It's .44 miles a loop and it usually takes us just over 5 min per lap. As time goes on I would like to increase mileage and decrease time per lap. I know that it is pretty boring running the same thing over and over but it has been good to start off with. I'm also doing a 3 1/4 mile run through our neighborhood. At some point I need to incorporate some hill work into my training but I need to find some other place to do that because my neighborhood is flat like a pancake.



2010-05-21 9:13 AM
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Nutrition is something you'll need to experiment with.  For example, in my most recent HIM I drank 2 bottles of HEED per hour on the bike, which is twice as much as the poster above.  I had no problems whatsoever.  I also ate a clif bar.

It is FAR better to get a little less than you could handle than a little more than you can handle with nutrtion during the race.  If you eat too much, your GI might shut down and then you can have cramping, vomiting and other GI distress... and then you're in trouble.

If you eat too little, you run the risk of bonking... but even if that happens (unlikely imho) you can recover from that MUCH more easily than you can from GI distress.

Depending on your size, I'd recommend starting out your experiment with around 200 calories per hour.  I'd get them mostly from liquid if you can (easier to digest, but some feel better with solids).  If that feels good, try a little more next time.  You'll soon learn what your body can process given the effort you are putting out and the conditions.

A note about conditions - you are going to sweat more, and therefore lose more liquid/electrolites, the more hot/humid it is.  You'll need to adjust your fluid intake accordingly, though there does come a point for some people in some conditions where they are losing more than they can put in.  At that point, all you can do is slow down and hang on during the war of attrition.

Bottom line on nutrition - IT DEPENDS on a lot of things.  I've given you a general starting place but it could be too much and is likely a little less than you can handle.

2010-05-21 10:50 AM
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One thing also to consider about sweating is that if you are in an area that is very dry (like Phoenix), you won't feel the amount of water loss to sweat as much. You will need to rehydrate based on what you know you're losing and now how much you're sweating.

I know someone here is doing IMAZ and the hydration issues kick people's here in the desert because they don't see or feel the sweat coming out of their body. Also because it's dryer, your body isn't getting moisture from the air through your lungs and skin and you will dehydrate faster.

As someone else said, if you are drinking by thirst, you are behind the eight ball and should hydrate based on need and not how you feel. I'm still learning my nutrition stuff so no real advice on that but even in California when you go inland you can run into dry air and have hydration issues.
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2010-05-21 1:23 PM
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Good luck on your race this weekend....

I was wondering how everyone's weight loss is going? I know that some of us are trying to lose weight as well as get in shape. I started out at 216.5 and just weighed in at 195 this morning. This is since the beginning of January. My ultimate goal is 180 by my 1/2 IM in Oct so I'm guessing that I'll be at or below 180 by then. I've been above 200 for about 13 years and am so glad to be losing weight again. What is everyone doing to drop the pounds?
2010-05-21 1:33 PM
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phxphotog - 2010-05-21 2:23 PM Good luck on your race this weekend....

I was wondering how everyone's weight loss is going? I know that some of us are trying to lose weight as well as get in shape. I started out at 216.5 and just weighed in at 195 this morning. This is since the beginning of January. My ultimate goal is 180 by my 1/2 IM in Oct so I'm guessing that I'll be at or below 180 by then. I've been above 200 for about 13 years and am so glad to be losing weight again. What is everyone doing to drop the pounds?


I'm in the weight loss camp!  Quite sure there's no greater bang for my buck in terms of speed than to keep losing weight.  I'm down almost 50 pounds from my heaviest in the past year.  I update my weight (and years SBR mileage) at the end of each month... kind of like your weight-o-meter, and it's looked like this so far:

date:  1/1....1/31.....2/28.....3/31......4/30.....5/31.....6/30.....7/25
miles:  0.......366......790......1271.....1915..........*..........*........4816
lbs:     210....207......197......190.6....186.8.........*..........*........175

I weighed in at 181 this morning!!!! so hoping to be in the 170's by June.  Not sure how much lower I should go, but I definitely still have extra torso fat (my gut is the last thing to go, apparently) so I'll try to keep losing until it's gone.  I know I'm getting close because lots of people are starting to tell me I'm too skinny... which is crazy, but I understand because when they think of me, they think of that big teddy bear/oaf they've known all these years.


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phxphotog - 2010-05-21 11:23 AM Good luck on your race this weekend....

I was wondering how everyone's weight loss is going? I know that some of us are trying to lose weight as well as get in shape. I started out at 216.5 and just weighed in at 195 this morning. This is since the beginning of January. My ultimate goal is 180 by my 1/2 IM in Oct so I'm guessing that I'll be at or below 180 by then. I've been above 200 for about 13 years and am so glad to be losing weight again. What is everyone doing to drop the pounds?

That's impressive!  Way to go.

I've been steadily losing weight, I did gain 5 lbs after my IM but I felt my body needed that.  I started last summer at 186 and I'm 168 this morning;  I don't try to starve myself and put in calories if my body screams for them.  When I was counting calories I'd get sick more often, because I'd eat 1400 calories for the day and burn 1900 calories...

I thought I looked pretty good at 5'8" 165 then I went to IMSG and that was an eye opener.  I definately was 'soft' compared to the majority of people there.

Anyway I went from being plain old fat, to being fat for an endurance athlete, I still have about 14 pounds to go.

2010-05-21 3:14 PM
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PennState - 2010-05-21 1:50 PM Hey team I just came back from my morning ride. I'm racing this Sunday but not tapering at all. Nutrition is a great topic and I will post a response in full when I get onto my laptop later. Short version of my opinion as has already been mentioned is that its pretty individual. I definitely fall on the 'take less in' camp like Josh.

Have a good race!!! Have some fun too!!

2010-05-21 3:17 PM
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phxphotog - 2010-05-21 2:23 PM Good luck on your race this weekend....

I was wondering how everyone's weight loss is going? I know that some of us are trying to lose weight as well as get in shape. I started out at 216.5 and just weighed in at 195 this morning. This is since the beginning of January. My ultimate goal is 180 by my 1/2 IM in Oct so I'm guessing that I'll be at or below 180 by then. I've been above 200 for about 13 years and am so glad to be losing weight again. What is everyone doing to drop the pounds?

Great job on the weight loss to you and all the others!  I would like to lose more weight than I have this year because it is free speed and I definately have some weight to lose.  But considering the amount of time I have spent in a hotel this year eating at restaurants, I consider staying even a minor victory.



2010-05-21 3:26 PM
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As far as nutrition, I too like to keep it simple.  I will ususually train with what the race will offer so I can live off the course.  I do beleive it is important to have significant time training/practicing with your nutrition plan and adjusting accordingly.  I also beleive it is important that you have some flexibility in your plan so that if things don't go the way you think they will you aren't stuck in a panic.

Interestingly, I listened to a podcast by SimplyStu recently that was an interview with Craig Alexander.  Stu usually at some point in his interviews will get into the nutrition strategies that the pro's he is interviewing use.  Craig stated that his is always changing and they were different from the first win to the 2nd win.

2010-05-21 4:37 PM
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I am so glad that the nutrition question has been asked as that is an unknown for me when it comes to HIM distance. Thanks for the thoughts about it.
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2010-05-21 5:51 PM
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Thanks so much for all of your input on nutrition everyone! Definitely a lot to digest (pardon the pun, haha). I think I've probably been a bit too lax with my nutrition planning. I think I'll start out this weekend paying a bit more attention to getting in 200-250 calories an hour on the bike and adjust from there.
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The video link I put up a couple days ago had some great information on it about how people will spend 5-6 months training for an event and then not have a game plan on race day. They just wing it. I think I've had some level of plan before but I've only done sprints and one Oly. I think when you get to 1/2 IM and IM distances the plan is probably a lot more important.

One thing I got out of it was how important a power meter is in 1/2 and IM races and how it makes it so much easier to calculate your physical output. Going 18 mph doesn't give you your physical exertion level but a power meter does. After hearing this I'm thinking my next major purchase is going to be one. Haven't really priced them out but I know they are hundreds of dollars. Does anyone have or use a power meter and what do you think?
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PennState - 2010-05-21 4:44 PM Funny thing is this weekend's race has HEED and Hammer products on the course. Neither one do I ever train with. Could be interesting


Good luck!!
2010-05-21 8:46 PM
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I'll chime in here!

I'm probably one of the very few people who gains weight during endurance sports! I gained weight marathon training and now I'm up 6 lbs since January... I weighed less when I was training for my first Olympic distance race!  BUT I was doing WAAAAAY more strength training.  My strength training is almost non existent at the moment.  I'm 5ft5 and 158 lbs, but I was a faster swimmer when I was in the 160-165 range in high school and college.

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Pre race/training I drink a full Gatorade about 2 hours pre race... peanut butter on a bagel and a banana if I can choke it down.  I actually need to eat more than this because last year I Musselman I was hungry at the swim start!  I think I need to eat a Power Bar or something like 30 minutes before the swim start...eating something small hasn't ever bothered my tum tum.

On the bike I drink often during the first 30 minutes.  I try to eat something solid (bar or package of fig newtons) every hour.  Ideally I would go through 1 bottle of liquid every hour.

On the run I sip at every station whatever fluids they have.  Eating? Not so much. I try to take in a gel every 45 minutes on the run (caffeinated gels though).

I understand the less is more philosophy, but I usually get hungry during a race! 
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calimavs - 2010-05-21 5:51 PM Thanks so much for all of your input on nutrition everyone! Definitely a lot to digest (pardon the pun, haha). I think I've probably been a bit too lax with my nutrition planning. I think I'll start out this weekend paying a bit more attention to getting in 200-250 calories an hour on the bike and adjust from there.


Great plan I think 200-250 is a perfect starting point and modify based on your training experience.  I use about 330 calories per hour, but I am also racing at around 190-200 lbs.  For me any more than this and I would be pushing it, for myself.  I also use a combo or Accelerade and Powergels.  Decided to use Powergels this year as they are offered on my HIM and IM.  Both work well for me.
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phxphotog - 2010-05-21 12:23 PM Good luck on your race this weekend....

I was wondering how everyone's weight loss is going? I know that some of us are trying to lose weight as well as get in shape. I started out at 216.5 and just weighed in at 195 this morning. This is since the beginning of January. My ultimate goal is 180 by my 1/2 IM in Oct so I'm guessing that I'll be at or below 180 by then. I've been above 200 for about 13 years and am so glad to be losing weight again. What is everyone doing to drop the pounds?


Congrats on breaking below the 200 mark!  That's awesome.

Personally I'm not 'trying' to drop weight per se, I'm actually trying to not drop weight too fast.  But, In October of '08 I weighted 170lbs, 23.5% body fat.  Started training went to 180lbs with ~18% body fat in the first 6 months.  A year later I'm now at 155lbs and I'd guess around 12-13% body fat (haven't had is measured in a year).  Hopefully one day I'll see 145lbs-150lbs with 8% body fat  


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phxphotog - 2010-05-21 9:50 AM One thing also to consider about sweating is that if you are in an area that is very dry (like Phoenix), you won't feel the amount of water loss to sweat as much. You will need to rehydrate based on what you know you're losing and now how much you're sweating.

I know someone here is doing IMAZ and the hydration issues kick people's here in the desert because they don't see or feel the sweat coming out of their body. Also because it's dryer, your body isn't getting moisture from the air through your lungs and skin and you will dehydrate faster.

As someone else said, if you are drinking by thirst, you are behind the eight ball and should hydrate based on need and not how you feel. I'm still learning my nutrition stuff so no real advice on that but even in California when you go inland you can run into dry air and have hydration issues.


That would be me.  Luckily I live in a dry climate as well (not quite as dry as AZ, but the Denver area is still "high desert" technically).  I'm well aware of how quickly I can dehydrate here.  I'm hoping that getting my hydration perfected here in mid-summer will be similar to how AZ will be in late November.  Hopefully those two times of year are similar to each other.  
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PennState - 2010-05-21 6:44 PM Funny thing is this weekend's race has HEED and Hammer products on the course. Neither one do I ever train with. Could be interesting


Fred... totally an N=1 encouragement, but at Patriot's the other week where I had such a good race, I had my first ever sip of HEED at the first bottle exchange on the bike.  I drank a bottle every half hour and had no digestive troubles whatsoever.  My only complaint is that I prefer much more flavor... but it went down easy and seemed to do the job.
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WittyCityGirl - 2010-05-21 9:46 PM I'll chime in here!


On the bike I drink often during the first 30 minutes.  I try to eat something solid (bar or package of fig newtons) every hour.  Ideally I would go through 1 bottle of liquid every hour.



Can you explain your rationale for not drinking right away on the bike?

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