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What are the general conditions of the roads on the bike course this year? I heard there is a lot of "gravel" on the roads.


I'll let you know tomorrow night. I'm headed out to ride the course in the morning. hopefully the weather holds. Racing in 5hit weather is one thing, but riding alone in the rain is not a good time.
Good luck and be careful. I look forward to your report.


2009-07-18 7:02 AM
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jonmetz - 2009-07-17 12:42 PM

What are the general conditions of the roads on the bike course this year? I heard there is a lot of "gravel" on the roads.


I'll let you know tomorrow night. I'm headed out to ride the course in the morning. hopefully the weather holds. Racing in 5hit weather is one thing, but riding alone in the rain is not a good time.


I'm keeping my fingers crossed for good weather for you!! Yesterday was awful here!
2009-07-18 7:57 AM
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I went to the course last week and drove the bike course. Following are my 2 cents.

 

Jean Glock Park is very nice with a large beautiful beach. I’m not sure exactly where the transition area is going to be because of what I think is going to be a new parking lot under construction in the vicinity. I suspect it will be completed before the race, but if it isn’t that could be a pain.

 

Getting out of the park, Higman is a little narrow with some rough pavement (not too severe), and there is no shoulder. There should be no cars, so this shouldn’t be a problem. North Shore Drive is a little wider and a little smoother. Klock Rd has good pavement and gets you out of the park.

 

Getting on M-63, the race will get going in earnest. It is pretty much flat and once you get out of town, there are trees on both sides of the road that will break the wind if it is E/W, which is likely. The wind break will be helpful. Keep in mind if you are riding this road alone that there isn’t much shoulder and quite a bit of traffic. The shade trees makes seeing bike riders a little difficult, if you don’t have 1700 friends riding with you.

 

Once you get to CR-376, the ride is pretty much in the open with few trees, little shade, and rolling grades. The pavement isn’t too bad and the road is straight. One potential challenge area is the intersection of CR-376 and M-140 about 4 miles along CR-376. This is a pretty busy highway and hopefully will have police to stop cross-traffic.

 

68th and 48th are OK. Keep in mind that the blocks on numbered streets are ½ mile each. No problems on CR-687 either. The corner of CR-687 and CR-376 has a very small convenience store for anyone who wants to ride the course before the race could stop and get a drink here.

 

The next left run onto CR-376 is not a problem. Next is a right turn onto 66th street. This section has the only hill of any significance on the course. It’s not too long, but it is fairly steep. This is the only real hill on the course.

 

Getting next onto CR-378 (where an aid station is supposed to be) is the first really crappy pavement. Road crews were putting down “pitch and chip” and the loose gravel was pretty bad. I’m hoping the road is better by the time of the race or they reroute this section. There was pitch and chip on one other road. I think it was 72nd street, but I don’t remember.

 

CR-380 is the last open country road and then you get to the Blue Star Highway, which becomes M-63. At this point there is some shade with trees close to the road that will likely be great wind blocks. It should be pretty fast going heading for home, but there are some upgrades that (at least for me) will be a pain. For anyone riding the course before the race, there is another store at around 46 miles where you could get a drink.

 

With respect to swimming, I did 3 open water swims in Lake Michigan about 30 miles north of Benton Harbor. The first swim the water was probably upper 60’s with the current going north. The second swim the current was southerly with temperatures I’d guess in the mid 70’s. The third swim, the current was southerly with waves about a foot. This time the water was much colder, probably closer to 60F. This swim I went 25 minutes into the current and it took me only 19 minutes to get back. I’m glad the swim will be all with the current.



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2009-07-19 12:22 AM
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my wife finally got sick of seeing me do long runs with a huge bottle in hand or run out of water before I got home so she convinced me to get a 100oz camelbak.

I know there are plenty of aid stations on the bike and run, but do you guys know if using a camelbak is allowed on the bike and run portion?

I've read in an (older) book that camelbak's can be illegal in some races... but I'm not sure if it was referring to pro races only.
2009-07-19 6:38 AM
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jtaddei - 2009-07-19 12:22 AM my wife finally got sick of seeing me do long runs with a huge bottle in hand or run out of water before I got home so she convinced me to get a 100oz camelbak.

I know there are plenty of aid stations on the bike and run, but do you guys know if using a camelbak is allowed on the bike and run portion?

I've read in an (older) book that camelbak's can be illegal in some races... but I'm not sure if it was referring to pro races only.


Right now I am planning on using a camelback for the run.  I don't have a 100oz size, mine is a bit smaller, but I will be using it anyway.  For me I am a heavy sweater and need a lot of fluids.  I prefer to sip my water at a constant rate rather than try to chug down water at aid stations.  They extra weight is more than made up by staying hydrated, at least for me.

I can't think of any reasons why they would not allow a camelback during the race?  I guess this question could be asked to a race director or at a course talk.  The way I look at it is that people wear fuel belts with water without issue, I am just wearing a huge fuel belt on my back.
2009-07-19 7:00 AM
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Nice!! That's great about the Camelbak.  I thought about carrying my Fuel Belt Sprint bottle - I carry it on all my longer runs and then I'd have fluids with me.  (I don't like things around my waist on long runs.)  Plus I could refill it on the run.

Everyone getting excited?? I'm starting to get really geeked about this race!


2009-07-19 7:36 AM
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I use a fuel blet with 4 10 oz bottles.  The weight doesn't bother me and it gets lighter every time a take a drink anyway.  I've never liked drinking from cups at aid stations and if I run out of fluid, I just dump a few cups of water in one of my empty bottles.
2009-07-19 7:45 AM
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I had my last long ride yesterday and start my taper this week.  I might do a final long run today, but my knees are sore from yesterday and I might take the day off.  I'm feeling a little more confident that I have my nutrition worked out and I've decided that I'm not planning on killing myself in the race but want to enjoy myself a bit.  I'm not worried about the swim at all, and figure I can maintain 18 mph on the bike and 9 min/mile on the run without too much trouble.  I figure the best I could possible do at this time would be 19 mph on the bike and 8:15/mile on the run.  I'm planning on the slower and will go faster if I'm feeling really good.  I've got the week off before the race and I'll be staying 30 miles north of Benton Harbor with the goal of getting lots of sleep.
2009-07-19 8:21 AM
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nickster - 2009-07-19 7:45 AM I had my last long ride yesterday and start my taper this week.  I might do a final long run today, but my knees are sore from yesterday and I might take the day off.  I'm feeling a little more confident that I have my nutrition worked out and I've decided that I'm not planning on killing myself in the race but want to enjoy myself a bit.  I'm not worried about the swim at all, and figure I can maintain 18 mph on the bike and 9 min/mile on the run without too much trouble.  I figure the best I could possible do at this time would be 19 mph on the bike and 8:15/mile on the run.  I'm planning on the slower and will go faster if I'm feeling really good.  I've got the week off before the race and I'll be staying 30 miles north of Benton Harbor with the goal of getting lots of sleep.


Nickster,
Your easy pace is what I hope to achieve pushing myself!  I am also not worried about the swim, but rather the run after a long bike ride.  Last week I did a 43 mile ride followed by a 10 mile run to see how I would react.  I felt tired of course but it gave me the confidence to know I can finish the race, especially since I had no taper etc. prior to trying this. 

I am excited to start the taper as that means the event is rapidly approaching.  I am also looking at doing my final long run today, maybe around 10 miles.  The taper will be nice as it will give me some more time to spend with the family.

Good luck to all with your last couple weeks of training and prep.

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2009-07-19 7:09 PM
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Silver_wlf - 2009-07-19 7:00 AM

Everyone getting excited?? I'm starting to get really geeked about this race!


I refresh this page like 3 times a day hoping that someone is talking about something new regarding the race.  I'm VERY excited.  Also can't wait to meet a bunch of you... it'll be my first BT meetup.
2009-07-20 9:32 AM
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Well its great to hear how every one is doing for the upcoming race. I like some others are only looking to finish this race, nothing more. I have a couple more short bike rides and runs before starting my taper late this week or early next. I will also be doing an OWS on Thursday with my club.

The main topic for me is nutrition. Thought I had it worked out until my 60 bike ride yesterday. About mile marker 45 my legs (quads) started cramping, and lost some of my power/speed. Once I got back home and figured out what I had actually ingested I fell way short of what I needed.

When I did Johans International distance sprint earlier this Summer I became bloated and distended on the run, and have been working towards not having this repeated. I ended up walking just about the entire run, because of it.

I need to spend the remaining days working on my nutrition plan. What are others doing for nutrition? Only liquids/gels on the bike? Solid food early in the bike? For those who do eat solid foods on the bike will you switch strictly to liquids/gels after a certain point of the bike?

It will be great to meet all of you at the big event.

Curt


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hmm, I'm staying a some Marriot down 94.... gotta double check that.
2009-07-20 9:54 AM
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I plan to carry 2 24-oz bottles with accelerade for a total of 480 calories. I will take 3 gels of 90 calories each as well. I plan to carry a 3rd bottle with water that I can exchange at aid stations. For the run, I'm wearing a fuel belt with 4 10-oz bottles, two of which will have accelerade and two with water. I'll bring a couple of gels just in case.
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mifiremedic - 2009-07-20 10:32 AM



I need to spend the remaining days working on my nutrition plan. What are others doing for nutrition? Only liquids/gels on the bike? Solid food early in the bike? For those who do eat solid foods on the bike will you switch strictly to liquids/gels after a certain point of the bike?

It will be great to meet all of you at the big event.

Curt


Nutrition for the Half IM starts two weeks out for me. I start to go to a more 60/40 protein to carb ratio, then moving to no more than a 50/50 by the wednesday before.. after that it's NO Fiber and easily digested foods, eating very small meals 200-300 calories 6-8 times per day. I also stop coffee COLD at least one week out. ( I am a coffee fanatic).. Day of race....2.5 hrs before race.. breakfast, light, dry bagel, banana, 8oz Accelerade and 1 glorious cup of coffee! trust me, after a week this kickstarts everything! 1/2 hr before swim, 1 powergel, Endurolyte, and a few drinks of accelerade...

  • .. that should get you to the line... I'll tell you the rest after the race ;-)


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    I've procrastanated a bit, and have yet to get a hotel. Not a big deal since I live just over an hour away. Anyone know of any hotels that stills availability?

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    hmm, I'm staying a some Marriot down 94.... gotta double check that.
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    mifiremedic - 2009-07-20 9:58 AM I've procrastanated a bit, and have yet to get a hotel. Not a big deal since I live just over an hour away. Anyone know of any hotels that stills availability? Curt

    I'd try the Red Roof, Motel 6 or Silver Beach:

    http://www.swmichigan.org/

     



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    mifiremedic - 2009-07-20 9:32 AM The main topic for me is nutrition.

    If it's a little warm, as it usually is at Steelhead, I'll try for a bottle of GEF every hour on the bike, with a gel from a flask every 45 minutes washed down with water. I can get away with PowerBars the first part of the bike but I don't usually bother. On the run I'll try for GEF at the first aid station, GEF at the second, water and gel at the third - then repeat.

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    I've got my bike nutrition plan set - I'm taking one bottle of water, one bottle with 4 servings of Accelerade concentrated and my aero bottle with water.  I'll have an extra cage if I want to grab an extra bottle of water - but I'm planning on using the course water to mix my Accelerade.  I'm planning on a gel every 30-45 minutes - or Sport Beans which I plan on carrying.

    On the run I'm planning on taking my Fuel Belt Sprint flask.  I'm going to alternate water/GEF on the run with my sprint bottle with 10oz of Accelerade.  Plus gels if my stomach will tolerate them probably at the 45 minute marks.

    I'm planning on finishing - I'll see what happens and how I feel.
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    hotel:  Curt, I found a hotel a few weeks ago through travelocity at an Economy Inn just off the highway on the south east end of benton harbor.  $84 a night for 1 king bed.  I'm not expecting the Ritz but at least it's a roof and a toilet.

    nutrition:  early in my training I used gatorade EF (what they have there) but ran out so I switched to Clif Shot drink which I liked a lot better.  I can stomach gatorade EF but not much of it.  I plan on just loading up my camelbak with a ton of water and if it gets low to refil at the aid station.  Constantly sipping off it every 15 minutes or as needed.  Whichever comes first.

    As for calories i've been training with primarily Gu gels and Hammer Sustained Energy so I plan on putting a 1.5-2 hour bottle on the bike and taking in 12oz when I hit 1.5 hours on the bike and the last 12oz when i'm about 30 minutes from T2.  When i'm out on long rides I don't usually finish the bottle so I might not even see the bottom of my calories.  I plan on taping 2 gu to the bike and have 1 or 2 in my pockets for the run.  I typically only take 1 gel if i'm out for more than 2 hours on the bike but i'm just hopeg for the best, but preparing for the worst.
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    Nutrition for me will be the following, with some flexibility depending on how I feel.  I do have pretty much an iron stomach on the bike.  However on the run my stomach is not so iron and I will greatly reduce intake, therefore I make sure I get a lot of calories on the bike and pre-swim.

    Pre-swim - Cliff Bar on walk to swim start = 240 calories,  sip some diluted accelerade and water = 100 calories.  Take an endurolyte as well.

    Bike:
    Accelerade (seems popular with this group), concentrated 24oz bottle = 360 calories.
    Kids cliff bar, smaller and easier on the stomach than an adult one, = 120 calories.  Nice to have a little food in the stomach
    3 honey stinger gels in a flask with some water to dilute = 360 calories.  I am thinking about breaking up an endurolyte and mixing it in the flask with the gels.
    1 clif shot gel, for a change of taste = 100 calories

    Bike total = 940 calories over 3 hours

    Run:
    Carrying my camelback.  I will take 3 gels with me and take one every 25 minutes or so.  I will also grab some GEF to drink from the aid stations, this will add a few more calories for me. If needed I will grab a gel from the aid stations as well. 

    I will probably still tweak this a little bit, but that is the basic overall plan for now.

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    Well, I've finally got time to report on the bike course. Sorry for the delay. First off, the weather was beautiful. mix of sun and clounds, probably around 75°. A little wind that made the west leg a little tougher, but not a huge deal.

    Nick's description is pretty spot on, so I'll just add a few points. The first main stretch after leaving the park I can see being a bit hariy. M-63 is a pretty busy road, and the whole time I was wondering how passing would be. There are parts that have a small bike lane, so passing would likely put you on the main part of the road.
    M-62 at the begining has some potholes to contend with. They have marked the bad ones with white spray paint. The pot holes weren't bad because you can avoid them. Worse than that were sections that were bumpy. Not big enough to call them potholes, but they were patches that are unavoidable.

    CR-376 was a nice stretch. I would learn later that it was nice because there was a 10 -15 mph breeze at my back. About 2/3 the way east, there is a run off crossing the road. It is about 6-8 feet of sand and gravel covering the road. I would guess this will be cleaned up.

    The turn onto 68th street is nasty. Like nick said, they have laid pea stones on 68th street. They are mostly packed in, leaving a bumpy, but stable ride. The turn however, is just loose stone. You must slow down here. It is the same turning off 68th onto 48th.

    After that, I don't remember any course problems. There is a decent sized uphill on 66th street, but it doesn't last too long. Nothing comes to mind on 378, 72nd, or 380. Once you get back onto Blue Star, you are in good shape. The north end of the course here is pretty good. Smooth roads. There is a nuclear plant nearby. Don't stop here to pee. The signs say they are authorized to use deadly forceWink.

    On the last mile of M-63, the southbound lanes are under construction, leaving only 1 lane and no shoulder/bike lane. Again, I think this will be fixed by race day.

    The biggest problem with the bike course is that some idiot decided to put a 13 mile run right at the end. What were they thinking....

    The course is marked very well with paint on the roads. Each turn is clearly labeled. If you ride prior to the race, you don't need to worry about bringing the map.

    that's about all I can think of. I'll download my garmin data tonight so people can see the elevation if interested.



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    sigepbrad - 2009-07-20 12:31 PM


    The biggest problem with the bike course is that some idiot decided to put a 13 mile run right at the end. What were they thinking....



    Run?? No one told me we had to run!!
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    "Nutrition for the Half IM starts two weeks out for me. I start to go to a more 60/40 protein to carb ratio, then moving to no more than a 50/50 by the wednesday before.. after that it's NO Fiber and easily digested foods, eating very small meals 200-300 calories 6-8 times per day. I also stop coffee COLD at least one week out. ( I am a coffee fanatic).. Day of race....2.5 hrs before race.. breakfast, light, dry bagel, banana, 8oz Accelerade and 1 glorious cup of coffee! trust me, after a week this kickstarts everything! 1/2 hr before swim, 1 powergel, Endurolyte, and a few drinks of accelerade..."



    +1, Almost my exact nutrition for the next two weeks, Minus the breakfast.

    Also, anyone else staying in Sawyer, MI?

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    More than anything, I'm playing with new software, but if it helps anyone, here is the bike course elevation graph.



    (Road St. Joe, MI 7-18-2009, Elevation - Distance.jpg)



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    I'll Join in on the nutrition game plan

    Breakfast: 1- 2pkgs (Instant oatmeal), 8oz Almond Milk, Banana COFFEE!!!

    Start sipping Inifinit mix 1hr before, 1 Shot of EFS Liquid Shot 30min before swim

    Bike: 2.5 serving mix of Infinit (600cals or so)+ EFS (400 Per bottle, but will more than likely only use half on the bike) . I generally rotate every 10min or so between the two.

    Run: sipping EFS + coke and water
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