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Ok, that is funny.  It sounds like achilles tendonitis. basically it is the same plan. If you can get some stuff call Biofreeze that may help it.  Stretch it out well and decrease running like we discussed.

that's what I figured.  I'll take a look for the Biofreeze and continue with everything else I've been doing.  Thanks,

Neal

So what do I do when I don't agree with my plan?  For example yesterday this is what I did.

Swim Variable - KEY WORKOUT
Easy/Speed
50
2400
WU: 300 IM
MS:
3 x 150 free broken down into (50 slow, 50 tempo, 50 sprint).
3 x 150 back (slow, tempo, sprint).
3 x 150 breast (slow, tempo, sprint).
3 x 150 kickboard (slow, med, sprint).
CD: 300 easy freestyle cooldown.

Rest between intervals: 20" & rest between sets: 30"

So the fly in the warm up was killer, do I really need to do the fly?
Then in the main workout why am I doing back and breast?
Can't I just do free for all sets?
I do get the kickboard part, that makes sense.
I followed the plan trusting that whoever wrote this knows more than me.
I swim really well and I just want to focus on getting faster for the 2.4 mile swim.

Mike

Can't say that I have ever had a swim workout that looked like that?  If I did, I would change quite a bit of it.  Still put in the work, but I can't do the Fly (it is painful to watch me try I'm sure)... I'm sure that there is good reasoning for it... I just don't knwo what it is!? 

Way over my level....

Ok thanks for the swim response. I think I'm going to go ahead and change somethings but try and stay as close to the plan as much as possible.

Next one. Tomorrow I have a 2 hr ride, with this:

MS: 4 x 20 minutes Z2 aero position repeats     Problem is I don't have aero bars yet. should I just go for a good 2 hour ride staying in Z2?

Definitely a lot in there that I would change too.  I know some people like to work in different strokes as a change of pace.  You are still working hard, but working the muscles in a different way.  IMO that's too much yardage in the main set focused on those other strokes.  Personally I will work in some back or breast during my cool down, but never in the main set.  I don't touch fly anymore unless I feel like trying to drown myself.

Also, that 3X150 kick would kill me.  Kicksets are evil.  If I were to rearrange the workout I would probably do 150 kick at the end of the warmup, then do 3 or 4 X (3X150 free) with another 150 kick worked in somewhere in the middle to break it.

That sounds good to me.  I'm not sure what the purpose of aero repeats are unless you are new to aerobars and still trying to adjust to the change.  If you have aero bars I would think you would want to be in aero as much as possible.  I'm in it at least 99% of the time.  I'll get out to climb big hills and stretch the back occasionally, but that's about it

Neal,
   Thanks for the quick response to the biking, Im all set for tomorrow 5 am. I also agree with the swim assessment, now I won't feel bad about not doing the other strokes in the main set. I will stick to kicks and free!

Mike

Hi Mike - I only do freestyle, as my logic is that I only do freestyle when racing so why should I.  But the other way to look at it is that you use different arm muscels for the other strokes.  Is the swim program from BT or somewhere else, as I haven't seen the other strokes used in a BT program.  Liz

I have started doing my swim to time instead of distance, and its actually better because now I am trying to swim faster to get in as much as I can of the program - mind games aren't they wonderful!

I'm doing my first Brick session tomorrow.  I have never run after my bike training yet.  Any advice? What should I expect?  I hear its interesting, to say the least...  

Mark 

Hey Liz,
  Yea the program is from BT. It is the intermediate full IM plan. I think I'm going to only do free, and maybe a little breast stroke, that always comes in handle and your battling the crowd.

You're in for a treat   My only piece of advice is to switch to a slightly lower gear the last mile or two of the ride and pedal at a higher cadence.  This will get your legs used to turning over quicker so they won't feel as slow and dead initially on the run.

There's a lot of differing thought on how often to do bricks.  I will say to at least get a couple in before that first tri to get used to the feeling.

IMO you really can do just free, unless you LIKE to change it up a little.  Or if you start to get shoulder pain of any kind.  You are not doing a ton of yardage so you should not get shoulder pain.  With a limited amount of work out time (assuming you are like the rest of us) you should get in as much free to make you as efficient as you can with the time you have.

Back into the pool tomorrow after a week away... should be interesting.  (long story for being out, but only have access to one pool "easily" up here in the north country)

Hi Mark - I agree with Neal - have a high cadence at the end of the bike - your legs will either feel like jelly or lead when you start the run - this would probably only last a 1km or 2 depending on the distance you have ran.  Hve fun.

Wow, just googled where you live, being an Aussie wasn't sure, you have plenty of water around you obviously too cold to swim in that water.  I suppose you don't have many facilities there, do you run around the golf course or are you not allowed.  Hope you don't mind me checking where you lived.  Good luck with the swim. Liz

lol... all went well with the swim this morning...  There is Lake all around me (Lake Minnetonka) and in the summer, it is my home (1500m from my dock to my sisters and almost 2.4 from my dock to Excelsior).  There are quite a few gyms around, but I swim at the club just up the street (the golf course).  Right now, the water on the lake is covered by about 15" of ice... so not much chance to swim in there!   

So do you go ice skating or is it too dangerous, where I live we don't get that cold at all.  I wouldn't get out of bed.  I did a ride this morning, it ended up being a little interesting, you can read my blog if you're curious.  Glad the swim went well.

Could someone please look at my training log and see if I could be overtraining. I feel very tired all the time lately and have been a little "cranky" if you no what I mean. I have been going slowly and trying to eat right. Perhaps not eating enough? Thoughts please.

my first inclination is to ask how much you sleep?  but then after looking for thoroughly at you log, i have a coupe of other questions?  It looks like the last day you had "off" was a month ago?  and your logs dont go much prior to december.  I am wondering if you just started to workout then, or if you are just starting to log it then.  If you are just starting to work out at that time, then i think you need to take a day off either every other week or every week.   Just my opinion

Overtraining is one of those things that can be hard to identify.  Training itself is most likely going to make you more tired than normal.  But overtraining can lead to a perpetual state of tiredness that isn't just due to being tired after a workout.

There are a few important factors to consider.  One is rest.  Make sure you are getting enough sleep at night.  You may find you need more sleep than normal.  I know I require an hour or two more of sleep per night during peak training weeks versus the off season.  Also try and work in some rest days.  Whether that's once a week, or once every two weeks, find what works for you and allows you to recover and rejuvenate.  I'm not sure what sort of plan you are following but you should also have a recovery week scheduled once every three or four weeks.  This is a week where you drop intensity and volume by 25-50%.  This gives your body an easier week to recover.

You'll also want to take a look at your diet.  Make sure you are getting enough calories in.

I looked at your logs and I don't think it's overtraining.  I think you are new to endurance training so it may just be a matter of backing off a little.  Take a rest day or two and see if things improve.

I see you haven't logged anything for 3 days, sometimes you can get low in iron when you are training, if you are not used to the density of training you are doing.  Are you getting enough sleep?  I don't know what you are eating to know if you are having enough or not.  I would take a vitamin of some sort to help, I take vitamins all the time, especially iron.

Sleep might be the answer. I work till 11pm get to sleep by 12 and wake around 6-7am. Restless sleep lately. I didn't log my run on Saturday till today. I've been training like this since October but started logging in December. I will look to eat more perhaps and sleep more too. Maybe cut back on training a little. Try to listen to my body more. I'm going to start logging my nutrition also.


Edited by 1ejp 2011-01-10 2:27 PM

Flew all the way across the Country yesterday from ATL to Reno.  Worked all day today but got out this evening and went on a 24 minute run.  Pace was 9:31 which felt pretty good considering the travel and the altitude here.  I'll be here for 2 weeks working so no outdoor bike riding for me.  Need to work my run, strength training, and some indoor bike intervals.