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 2014-01-02 11:14 AM in reply to: enders_shadow |
Pro  4723    CyFair |  Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- ClosedOriginally posted by enders_shadow Originally posted by kaburns1214 Hey, Kelly - I'd love to update my HR zones. I did an awesome PR 5K yesterday - how does that translate into zones? (Previously, like 6 years ago, I went through the whole HR/LTHR protocol; but if I can get decent numbers from my 5K, where I really did give it my best...that sounds better to me!) Thanks! I currently use my cadence to train on my bike keeping it around 85. I have been wanting to break into my HRM but have to say that I'm totally clueless on how to use it. No doubt there are lots of videos to figure it out. I definitely have some homework to do so I understand the terminology being mentioned on this thread. The first thing you want to do is to set zones. Have you have done a heart rate test before? Do you have any recent 5K or 10K data? Use your avg HR for the run as your LTHR. In theory your max on a 5k is close to your max HR and your avg is close to your threshold. Test again in 6 weeks with a more established protocol.
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| 2014-01-02 2:34 PM in reply to: dace |
97 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by dace Originally posted by kaburns1214 Originally posted by dace I spent some time here on BT working out a custom training plan for my long course in Aug. I am confused because I am doing a much higher volume already, running 17MPW (and increasing), swimming 8K per week and I have not ridden in a couple mos but going out for a 10 miler today to shake the cobwebs. This new plan has me starting at running 6 mi, swimming 2900 and biking 15...per week. This is a 10x per week plan (4run, 3swim, 3bike). Should I take that big of a step back or rework the plan. It is a beginner plan as I have only ever done a sprint, this is a much longer course. Perhaps I should look at a more intermediate plan? I was going to use the Don Fink plan up to the HIM section but this is a more accurate plan to my specific race so I thought it made more sense. Advice? The problem with canned plans (or even custom plans on BT) is that they are canned. They're written for one middle of the bell curve athlete and then applied to athletes with all sorts of limiters. Given what you've said, I would keep your run and swim volume consistent for the time and focus on building back bike volume. The bike is the key component for long course (and time on the bike will help your run). You want your bike mileage to be about 4 or 5 times your run mileage per week. For a 15 hour / week plan you're probably looking at 8 or 9 hours of biking. The other thing you'll want to balance is volume versus intensity. Depending on your limiters you may need more pure, easy volume, or you may nee some intensity. You shouldn't crank volume and intensity at the same, it often leads to injury. Have you done any testing to determine limiters? That is excellent advice, exactly what I needed to hear. I like the idea of putting in 4-5x more milage on the bike than the run, I can grasp that! I do not know anything about testing limiters, can you expand on that? I can easily assume that bike and run are my limiters...I am only up to 17mi per week on my runs (4 -5 days) and haven't been riding. I only have a mountain bike now and it weighs a ton. Yesterday I did 8 mi in 39 mins LOL. My last two tris on a rented road bike I did averaged 16 mph. seems pretty 'limited' ;-) Everyone passing me on the bike has nice strong looking thighs. I have very slender thighs, which has got to hurt me. Another thought on my limiters...I looked up my second tri results (bigger pool of participants) here is how I placed in my age group: swim 12 out of 57 bike 44 out of 57 run 46 out of 56 |
| 2014-01-02 2:52 PM in reply to: dace |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by dace Originally posted by dace Another thought on my limiters...I looked up my second tri results (bigger pool of participants) here is how I placed in my age group: swim 12 out of 57 bike 44 out of 57 run 46 out of 56 Originally posted by kaburns1214 That is excellent advice, exactly what I needed to hear. I like the idea of putting in 4-5x more milage on the bike than the run, I can grasp that! I do not know anything about testing limiters, can you expand on that? I can easily assume that bike and run are my limiters...I am only up to 17mi per week on my runs (4 -5 days) and haven't been riding. I only have a mountain bike now and it weighs a ton. Yesterday I did 8 mi in 39 mins LOL. My last two tris on a rented road bike I did averaged 16 mph. seems pretty 'limited' ;-) Everyone passing me on the bike has nice strong looking thighs. I have very slender thighs, which has got to hurt me. Originally posted by dace I spent some time here on BT working out a custom training plan for my long course in Aug. I am confused because I am doing a much higher volume already, running 17MPW (and increasing), swimming 8K per week and I have not ridden in a couple mos but going out for a 10 miler today to shake the cobwebs. This new plan has me starting at running 6 mi, swimming 2900 and biking 15...per week. This is a 10x per week plan (4run, 3swim, 3bike). Should I take that big of a step back or rework the plan. It is a beginner plan as I have only ever done a sprint, this is a much longer course. Perhaps I should look at a more intermediate plan? I was going to use the Don Fink plan up to the HIM section but this is a more accurate plan to my specific race so I thought it made more sense. Advice? The problem with canned plans (or even custom plans on BT) is that they are canned. They're written for one middle of the bell curve athlete and then applied to athletes with all sorts of limiters. Given what you've said, I would keep your run and swim volume consistent for the time and focus on building back bike volume. The bike is the key component for long course (and time on the bike will help your run). You want your bike mileage to be about 4 or 5 times your run mileage per week. For a 15 hour / week plan you're probably looking at 8 or 9 hours of biking. The other thing you'll want to balance is volume versus intensity. Depending on your limiters you may need more pure, easy volume, or you may nee some intensity. You shouldn't crank volume and intensity at the same, it often leads to injury. Have you done any testing to determine limiters?
12th isn't bad on the swim. What was you're pace per 100m? Given what I know about your run it says to me that you need a lot work on the bike. Increased bike volume will not only lead to faster bike splits, but feeling fresher when you get off the bike so faster run splits as well. |
| 2014-01-02 2:56 PM in reply to: dace |
Veteran 580 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by dace Originally posted by dace Originally posted by kaburns1214 Originally posted by dace I spent some time here on BT working out a custom training plan for my long course in Aug. I am confused because I am doing a much higher volume already, running 17MPW (and increasing), swimming 8K per week and I have not ridden in a couple mos but going out for a 10 miler today to shake the cobwebs. This new plan has me starting at running 6 mi, swimming 2900 and biking 15...per week. This is a 10x per week plan (4run, 3swim, 3bike). Should I take that big of a step back or rework the plan. It is a beginner plan as I have only ever done a sprint, this is a much longer course. Perhaps I should look at a more intermediate plan? I was going to use the Don Fink plan up to the HIM section but this is a more accurate plan to my specific race so I thought it made more sense. Advice? The problem with canned plans (or even custom plans on BT) is that they are canned. They're written for one middle of the bell curve athlete and then applied to athletes with all sorts of limiters. Given what you've said, I would keep your run and swim volume consistent for the time and focus on building back bike volume. The bike is the key component for long course (and time on the bike will help your run). You want your bike mileage to be about 4 or 5 times your run mileage per week. For a 15 hour / week plan you're probably looking at 8 or 9 hours of biking. The other thing you'll want to balance is volume versus intensity. Depending on your limiters you may need more pure, easy volume, or you may nee some intensity. You shouldn't crank volume and intensity at the same, it often leads to injury. Have you done any testing to determine limiters? That is excellent advice, exactly what I needed to hear. I like the idea of putting in 4-5x more milage on the bike than the run, I can grasp that! I do not know anything about testing limiters, can you expand on that? I can easily assume that bike and run are my limiters...I am only up to 17mi per week on my runs (4 -5 days) and haven't been riding. I only have a mountain bike now and it weighs a ton. Yesterday I did 8 mi in 39 mins LOL. My last two tris on a rented road bike I did averaged 16 mph. seems pretty 'limited' ;-) Everyone passing me on the bike has nice strong looking thighs. I have very slender thighs, which has got to hurt me. Another thought on my limiters...I looked up my second tri results (bigger pool of participants) here is how I placed in my age group: swim 12 out of 57 bike 44 out of 57 run 46 out of 56 It's not the size of the legs, its the engine that drives them. I have been told that bike strength comes more from the endurance aspects of fitness vs quad strength. I have rather slender legs (aka chicken legs) too but am not too shabby of a cyclist. |
| 2014-01-02 3:29 PM in reply to: ccmpsyd |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by ccmpsyd Originally posted by dace It's not the size of the legs, its the engine that drives them. I have been told that bike strength comes more from the endurance aspects of fitness vs quad strength. I have rather slender legs (aka chicken legs) too but am not too shabby of a cyclist. Originally posted by dace Another thought on my limiters...I looked up my second tri results (bigger pool of participants) here is how I placed in my age group: swim 12 out of 57 bike 44 out of 57 run 46 out of 56 Originally posted by kaburns1214 That is excellent advice, exactly what I needed to hear. I like the idea of putting in 4-5x more milage on the bike than the run, I can grasp that! I do not know anything about testing limiters, can you expand on that? I can easily assume that bike and run are my limiters...I am only up to 17mi per week on my runs (4 -5 days) and haven't been riding. I only have a mountain bike now and it weighs a ton. Yesterday I did 8 mi in 39 mins LOL. My last two tris on a rented road bike I did averaged 16 mph. seems pretty 'limited' ;-) Everyone passing me on the bike has nice strong looking thighs. I have very slender thighs, which has got to hurt me. Originally posted by dace I spent some time here on BT working out a custom training plan for my long course in Aug. I am confused because I am doing a much higher volume already, running 17MPW (and increasing), swimming 8K per week and I have not ridden in a couple mos but going out for a 10 miler today to shake the cobwebs. This new plan has me starting at running 6 mi, swimming 2900 and biking 15...per week. This is a 10x per week plan (4run, 3swim, 3bike). Should I take that big of a step back or rework the plan. It is a beginner plan as I have only ever done a sprint, this is a much longer course. Perhaps I should look at a more intermediate plan? I was going to use the Don Fink plan up to the HIM section but this is a more accurate plan to my specific race so I thought it made more sense. Advice? The problem with canned plans (or even custom plans on BT) is that they are canned. They're written for one middle of the bell curve athlete and then applied to athletes with all sorts of limiters. Given what you've said, I would keep your run and swim volume consistent for the time and focus on building back bike volume. The bike is the key component for long course (and time on the bike will help your run). You want your bike mileage to be about 4 or 5 times your run mileage per week. For a 15 hour / week plan you're probably looking at 8 or 9 hours of biking. The other thing you'll want to balance is volume versus intensity. Depending on your limiters you may need more pure, easy volume, or you may nee some intensity. You shouldn't crank volume and intensity at the same, it often leads to injury. Have you done any testing to determine limiters? This is true. For instance the power to lift weights and the power to go fast on a bike come from two different types of muscle fibers. |
| 2014-01-02 4:03 PM in reply to: crissy_jo |
Veteran 501 Seattle, Washington | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by crissy_jo Originally posted by kaburns1214 Lots of people re talking about losing weight or eating better. Here's my question -- what is your definition of eating well? And I feel so much better when I eat healthy, highly nutritious foods. In fact I'm going to go make up a few days worth of breakfast veggie mini quiches right now. Do you have a recipe for these? |
| 2014-01-02 4:10 PM in reply to: MechEChick |
Veteran 501 Seattle, Washington | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed I've been off the grid here for a couple days. I don't do resolutions but I do like how the New Year lets you reset and refocus. Plus it doesn't hurt that I started my training plan this week! I'm going to try a vegan diet for the month of January. First, I want to see if I can. Second, I think dairy upsets my stomach and want to see if it'll help to cut it out. I normally eat fairly healthy, few processed foods, lots of veggies, etc. However, the holidays killed me with the sweets I ate (have I mentioned my sweet tooth?) and general extra snacking at my parents house. Can anyone give me some new ideas for easy healthy snacks? My go to snacks are almonds, snap peas, apples, carrots, but I really need some fresh ideas. Bring on 2014! |
| 2014-01-02 4:53 PM in reply to: kaburns1214 |
New user 43 Robbinsville | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Last spring I read a great "short" book on eating healthy, that was recommended by my wife's oncologist when we mentioned we could overhaul our diet. It was In Defense of Food. The main point I took from it, that has been easy to follow, was to only shop from the outside isles of the grocery store. Fruits, veggies, whole grains and meat if you eat it and some frozen fruits and veggies if you must. So my idea of helthly eating is just that, fruits, veggies whole grains and fish. No sugar, except around the holidays. I am absolutely better off for it. What I find is that I am constantly hungry while I am training now. As a result I am eating too many carbs. ie: whole brown rice or pasta Thinking I need the carbs. What I am hearing from the thread is that getting my carbs from fruits and veggies is just as good. My morning shake is kale, celery, parsley, chia seeds, an apple, half a pomegranate, blueberries, lemon slice, strawberries and a banana with a bit of apple juice. I use the Vitamix so it comes out pretty tasty. But the carbs, now that I think about it, are almost a days worth outside of training. I am going to start tracking the diet, so I get this right. I tried the BT nutrition tracker but the options are limited. I have used My Plate before and that was pretty good. Does anyone use a site that they really like? |
| 2014-01-02 4:56 PM in reply to: poolgod |
Veteran 501 Seattle, Washington | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by poolgod Last spring I read a great "short" book on eating healthy, that was recommended by my wife's oncologist when we mentioned we could overhaul our diet. It was In Defense of Food. The main point I took from it, that has been easy to follow, was to only shop from the outside isles of the grocery store. Fruits, veggies, whole grains and meat if you eat it and some frozen fruits and veggies if you must. So my idea of helthly eating is just that, fruits, veggies whole grains and fish. No sugar, except around the holidays. I am absolutely better off for it. What I find is that I am constantly hungry while I am training now. As a result I am eating too many carbs. ie: whole brown rice or pasta Thinking I need the carbs. What I am hearing from the thread is that getting my carbs from fruits and veggies is just as good. My morning shake is kale, celery, parsley, chia seeds, an apple, half a pomegranate, blueberries, lemon slice, strawberries and a banana with a bit of apple juice. I use the Vitamix so it comes out pretty tasty. But the carbs, now that I think about it, are almost a days worth outside of training. I am going to start tracking the diet, so I get this right. I tried the BT nutrition tracker but the options are limited. I have used My Plate before and that was pretty good. Does anyone use a site that they really like? I use My Fitness Pal and it's not bad. And I find having the app on my phone really helpful. |
| 2014-01-02 5:20 PM in reply to: MechEChick |
New user 273 Manassas, Virginia | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by MechEChick Originally posted by poolgod Last spring I read a great "short" book on eating healthy, that was recommended by my wife's oncologist when we mentioned we could overhaul our diet. It was In Defense of Food. The main point I took from it, that has been easy to follow, was to only shop from the outside isles of the grocery store. Fruits, veggies, whole grains and meat if you eat it and some frozen fruits and veggies if you must. So my idea of helthly eating is just that, fruits, veggies whole grains and fish. No sugar, except around the holidays. I am absolutely better off for it. What I find is that I am constantly hungry while I am training now. As a result I am eating too many carbs. ie: whole brown rice or pasta Thinking I need the carbs. What I am hearing from the thread is that getting my carbs from fruits and veggies is just as good. My morning shake is kale, celery, parsley, chia seeds, an apple, half a pomegranate, blueberries, lemon slice, strawberries and a banana with a bit of apple juice. I use the Vitamix so it comes out pretty tasty. But the carbs, now that I think about it, are almost a days worth outside of training. I am going to start tracking the diet, so I get this right. I tried the BT nutrition tracker but the options are limited. I have used My Plate before and that was pretty good. Does anyone use a site that they really like? I use My Fitness Pal and it's not bad. And I find having the app on my phone really helpful. ^^YES! I'm completely obsessed with MFP and use it religiously. I don't believe in counting calories too much but it's nice to be more aware of how much I'm eating. |
| 2014-01-02 7:16 PM in reply to: MechEChick |
Veteran 580 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by MechEChick I've been off the grid here for a couple days. I don't do resolutions but I do like how the New Year lets you reset and refocus. Plus it doesn't hurt that I started my training plan this week! I'm going to try a vegan diet for the month of January. First, I want to see if I can. Second, I think dairy upsets my stomach and want to see if it'll help to cut it out. I normally eat fairly healthy, few processed foods, lots of veggies, etc. However, the holidays killed me with the sweets I ate (have I mentioned my sweet tooth?) and general extra snacking at my parents house. Can anyone give me some new ideas for easy healthy snacks? My go to snacks are almonds, snap peas, apples, carrots, but I really need some fresh ideas. Bring on 2014! Have you heard of the book Feed Zone Portables that is put out by Skratch Labs? Awesome book and philosophy on healthy eating for endurance athletes. The cookbook is full of recipes for quick healthy snacks/food for before, during and after workouts. Worth a peek. |
| 2014-01-02 8:16 PM in reply to: ccmpsyd |
Extreme Veteran 863 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by ccmpsyd Originally posted by MechEChick I've been off the grid here for a couple days. I don't do resolutions but I do like how the New Year lets you reset and refocus. Plus it doesn't hurt that I started my training plan this week! I'm going to try a vegan diet for the month of January. First, I want to see if I can. Second, I think dairy upsets my stomach and want to see if it'll help to cut it out. I normally eat fairly healthy, few processed foods, lots of veggies, etc. However, the holidays killed me with the sweets I ate (have I mentioned my sweet tooth?) and general extra snacking at my parents house. Can anyone give me some new ideas for easy healthy snacks? My go to snacks are almonds, snap peas, apples, carrots, but I really need some fresh ideas. Bring on 2014! Have you heard of the book Feed Zone Portables that is put out by Skratch Labs? Awesome book and philosophy on healthy eating for endurance athletes. The cookbook is full of recipes for quick healthy snacks/food for before, during and after workouts. Worth a peek. Chris, I just ordered this book and can't wait to get it! |
| 2014-01-02 8:20 PM in reply to: kaburns1214 |
Extreme Veteran 863 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by kaburns1214 Lots of people re talking about losing weight or eating better. Here's my question -- what is your definition of eating well? I would echo a lot of what was already said - whole foods, no processed foods. Lots of meat, veggies, and fruits. I have been no grains, sugars, or dairy for 2+ months and I don't really miss it. I am not sure if i will be able to continue without grains as my training ramps up though. I like brown rice and oatmeal and do miss them from time to time. |
| 2014-01-02 8:59 PM in reply to: uhcoog |
| 97 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by uhcoog Originally posted by dace Originally posted by dace Another thought on my limiters...I looked up my second tri results (bigger pool of participants) here is how I placed in my age group: swim 12 out of 57 bike 44 out of 57 run 46 out of 56 Originally posted by kaburns1214 That is excellent advice, exactly what I needed to hear. I like the idea of putting in 4-5x more milage on the bike than the run, I can grasp that! I do not know anything about testing limiters, can you expand on that? I can easily assume that bike and run are my limiters...I am only up to 17mi per week on my runs (4 -5 days) and haven't been riding. I only have a mountain bike now and it weighs a ton. Yesterday I did 8 mi in 39 mins LOL. My last two tris on a rented road bike I did averaged 16 mph. seems pretty 'limited' ;-) Everyone passing me on the bike has nice strong looking thighs. I have very slender thighs, which has got to hurt me. Originally posted by dace I spent some time here on BT working out a custom training plan for my long course in Aug. I am confused because I am doing a much higher volume already, running 17MPW (and increasing), swimming 8K per week and I have not ridden in a couple mos but going out for a 10 miler today to shake the cobwebs. This new plan has me starting at running 6 mi, swimming 2900 and biking 15...per week. This is a 10x per week plan (4run, 3swim, 3bike). Should I take that big of a step back or rework the plan. It is a beginner plan as I have only ever done a sprint, this is a much longer course. Perhaps I should look at a more intermediate plan? I was going to use the Don Fink plan up to the HIM section but this is a more accurate plan to my specific race so I thought it made more sense. Advice? The problem with canned plans (or even custom plans on BT) is that they are canned. They're written for one middle of the bell curve athlete and then applied to athletes with all sorts of limiters. Given what you've said, I would keep your run and swim volume consistent for the time and focus on building back bike volume. The bike is the key component for long course (and time on the bike will help your run). You want your bike mileage to be about 4 or 5 times your run mileage per week. For a 15 hour / week plan you're probably looking at 8 or 9 hours of biking. The other thing you'll want to balance is volume versus intensity. Depending on your limiters you may need more pure, easy volume, or you may nee some intensity. You shouldn't crank volume and intensity at the same, it often leads to injury. Have you done any testing to determine limiters?
12th isn't bad on the swim. What was you're pace per 100m? Given what I know about your run it says to me that you need a lot work on the bike. Increased bike volume will not only lead to faster bike splits, but feeling fresher when you get off the bike so faster run splits as well. On this tri is was only 350meters and my pace was a terrible 2.70 if I have figured it correctly...total time in the water was 9:49. Visibility was horrible, they even delayed the start and shortened the course. My first tri was an ocean swim and it was a 400 my time in the water was 9:11, 2:27 per 100. In the pool I swim 2 min 100s. but I don't really push myself either. |
| 2014-01-02 9:02 PM in reply to: DDVMM |
| 97 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by DDVMM Originally posted by kaburns1214 Lots of people re talking about losing weight or eating better. Here's my question -- what is your definition of eating well? I would echo a lot of what was already said - whole foods, no processed foods. Lots of meat, veggies, and fruits. I have been no grains, sugars, or dairy for 2+ months and I don't really miss it. I am not sure if i will be able to continue without grains as my training ramps up though. I like brown rice and oatmeal and do miss them from time to time. I tend to lean on sweet potatoes, but I don't feel bad when I occasionally eat grains. Are you doing a Whole 30? or have you? I was in the middle of one when I did my first two tris...they were sprints though so it was no big deal. |
| 2014-01-02 11:59 PM in reply to: ccmpsyd |
Veteran 501 Seattle, Washington | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by ccmpsyd Originally posted by MechEChick I've been off the grid here for a couple days. I don't do resolutions but I do like how the New Year lets you reset and refocus. Plus it doesn't hurt that I started my training plan this week! I'm going to try a vegan diet for the month of January. First, I want to see if I can. Second, I think dairy upsets my stomach and want to see if it'll help to cut it out. I normally eat fairly healthy, few processed foods, lots of veggies, etc. However, the holidays killed me with the sweets I ate (have I mentioned my sweet tooth?) and general extra snacking at my parents house. Can anyone give me some new ideas for easy healthy snacks? My go to snacks are almonds, snap peas, apples, carrots, but I really need some fresh ideas. Bring on 2014! Have you heard of the book Feed Zone Portables that is put out by Skratch Labs? Awesome book and philosophy on healthy eating for endurance athletes. The cookbook is full of recipes for quick healthy snacks/food for before, during and after workouts. Worth a peek. I'll have to check it out, thanks! |
| 2014-01-03 8:28 AM in reply to: dace |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by dace Originally posted by DDVMM I tend to lean on sweet potatoes, but I don't feel bad when I occasionally eat grains. Are you doing a Whole 30? or have you? I was in the middle of one when I did my first two tris...they were sprints though so it was no big deal. Originally posted by kaburns1214 Lots of people re talking about losing weight or eating better. Here's my question -- what is your definition of eating well? I would echo a lot of what was already said - whole foods, no processed foods. Lots of meat, veggies, and fruits. I have been no grains, sugars, or dairy for 2+ months and I don't really miss it. I am not sure if i will be able to continue without grains as my training ramps up though. I like brown rice and oatmeal and do miss them from time to time.
Sticking to plans like the Whole 30 get tough when you get into long course tris. Sugar is your friend. Gels, bars, sports drink are necessary evils to get in the amount of carbs and electrolytes you need to succeed at distance. |
| 2014-01-03 8:37 AM in reply to: uhcoog |
Extreme Veteran 863 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by uhcoog Originally posted by dace Originally posted by DDVMM I tend to lean on sweet potatoes, but I don't feel bad when I occasionally eat grains. Are you doing a Whole 30? or have you? I was in the middle of one when I did my first two tris...they were sprints though so it was no big deal. Originally posted by kaburns1214 Lots of people re talking about losing weight or eating better. Here's my question -- what is your definition of eating well? I would echo a lot of what was already said - whole foods, no processed foods. Lots of meat, veggies, and fruits. I have been no grains, sugars, or dairy for 2+ months and I don't really miss it. I am not sure if i will be able to continue without grains as my training ramps up though. I like brown rice and oatmeal and do miss them from time to time.
Sticking to plans like the Whole 30 get tough when you get into long course tris. Sugar is your friend. Gels, bars, sports drink are necessary evils to get in the amount of carbs and electrolytes you need to succeed at distance. I agree with this Scott. I did whole 30 last year in January and felt pretty good but definitely needed to add in some grains as training ramped up. I am always on a quest for the healthiest 'necessary evils' as far as the sugars go and have been happy with Huma gels and Skratch hydration. I may be crazy but I am thinking of making date paste and try that as a gel substitute. |
| 2014-01-03 8:49 AM in reply to: DDVMM |
| 97 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by DDVMM Originally posted by uhcoog Originally posted by dace Originally posted by DDVMM I tend to lean on sweet potatoes, but I don't feel bad when I occasionally eat grains. Are you doing a Whole 30? or have you? I was in the middle of one when I did my first two tris...they were sprints though so it was no big deal. Originally posted by kaburns1214 Lots of people re talking about losing weight or eating better. Here's my question -- what is your definition of eating well? I would echo a lot of what was already said - whole foods, no processed foods. Lots of meat, veggies, and fruits. I have been no grains, sugars, or dairy for 2+ months and I don't really miss it. I am not sure if i will be able to continue without grains as my training ramps up though. I like brown rice and oatmeal and do miss them from time to time.
Sticking to plans like the Whole 30 get tough when you get into long course tris. Sugar is your friend. Gels, bars, sports drink are necessary evils to get in the amount of carbs and electrolytes you need to succeed at distance. I agree with this Scott. I did whole 30 last year in January and felt pretty good but definitely needed to add in some grains as training ramped up. I am always on a quest for the healthiest 'necessary evils' as far as the sugars go and have been happy with Huma gels and Skratch hydration. I may be crazy but I am thinking of making date paste and try that as a gel substitute. While I love the W30 program and how it really forces you to face your relationship with food....I do agree that it is not going to cut it for the needs here. The idea of limiting the foods that jack up our bodies is still valid, although we each ned to know what those are individually. We are all different and I do not believe that one diet format works for all! |
| 2014-01-03 8:58 AM in reply to: uhcoog |
Champion 6107  Out running or enjoying a fine glass of red... | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by uhcoog Sticking to plans like the Whole 30 get tough when you get into long course tris. Sugar is your friend. Gels, bars, sports drink are necessary evils to get in the amount of carbs and electrolytes you need to succeed at distance. This is kind of where I've ended up. Gels, bars, sports drinks for training; real food for eating. I just can't get jazzed to run a marathon on dates and sweet potatoes.  I want my salted caramel Gu. |
| 2014-01-03 9:00 AM in reply to: Dunn Right |
| 97 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by Dunn Right Originally posted by MechEChick Originally posted by poolgod Last spring I read a great "short" book on eating healthy, that was recommended by my wife's oncologist when we mentioned we could overhaul our diet. It was In Defense of Food. The main point I took from it, that has been easy to follow, was to only shop from the outside isles of the grocery store. Fruits, veggies, whole grains and meat if you eat it and some frozen fruits and veggies if you must. So my idea of helthly eating is just that, fruits, veggies whole grains and fish. No sugar, except around the holidays. I am absolutely better off for it. What I find is that I am constantly hungry while I am training now. As a result I am eating too many carbs. ie: whole brown rice or pasta Thinking I need the carbs. What I am hearing from the thread is that getting my carbs from fruits and veggies is just as good. My morning shake is kale, celery, parsley, chia seeds, an apple, half a pomegranate, blueberries, lemon slice, strawberries and a banana with a bit of apple juice. I use the Vitamix so it comes out pretty tasty. But the carbs, now that I think about it, are almost a days worth outside of training. I am going to start tracking the diet, so I get this right. I tried the BT nutrition tracker but the options are limited. I have used My Plate before and that was pretty good. Does anyone use a site that they really like? I use My Fitness Pal and it's not bad. And I find having the app on my phone really helpful. ^^YES! I'm completely obsessed with MFP and use it religiously. I don't believe in counting calories too much but it's nice to be more aware of how much I'm eating. Poolgod...my suggestion is Cronometer. It tracks calories in and out, and both macro and micro nutrients. Speaking of snacks...I have found that thinking of snacks as a mini meal, include protein, fat and carb, will sustain you for longer and slow the blood sugar spike/insulin response from a carb only snack. Raisins/dried fruit and mixed nuts apple and almond butter rolled up turkey with slice avo and cheese banana and string cheese hard boiled egg and an orange etc I struggle with eating in the morning. My mornings are rushed and I drink two cups of coffee (cream and sugar) it fills me up for a few hours and then I face a blood sugar crash..and I make either poor food choices OR i simply don't eat until after my morning workout, which throws off my 3 squares a day and I end up not eating enough. I really need to drop a cup or switch to one cup of tea. |
| 2014-01-03 9:10 AM in reply to: dace |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by dace Originally posted by DDVMM While I love the W30 program and how it really forces you to face your relationship with food....I do agree that it is not going to cut it for the needs here. The idea of limiting the foods that jack up our bodies is still valid, although we each ned to know what those are individually. We are all different and I do not believe that one diet format works for all! Originally posted by uhcoog I agree with this Scott. I did whole 30 last year in January and felt pretty good but definitely needed to add in some grains as training ramped up. I am always on a quest for the healthiest 'necessary evils' as far as the sugars go and have been happy with Huma gels and Skratch hydration. I may be crazy but I am thinking of making date paste and try that as a gel substitute. Originally posted by dace Originally posted by DDVMM I tend to lean on sweet potatoes, but I don't feel bad when I occasionally eat grains. Are you doing a Whole 30? or have you? I was in the middle of one when I did my first two tris...they were sprints though so it was no big deal. Originally posted by kaburns1214 Lots of people re talking about losing weight or eating better. Here's my question -- what is your definition of eating well? I would echo a lot of what was already said - whole foods, no processed foods. Lots of meat, veggies, and fruits. I have been no grains, sugars, or dairy for 2+ months and I don't really miss it. I am not sure if i will be able to continue without grains as my training ramps up though. I like brown rice and oatmeal and do miss them from time to time.
Sticking to plans like the Whole 30 get tough when you get into long course tris. Sugar is your friend. Gels, bars, sports drink are necessary evils to get in the amount of carbs and electrolytes you need to succeed at distance.
I can see how it would do that. I've been forced to come to grips with my food issues over the past few years. I have a very unhealthy relationship with food. I had a pretty good grip on it until peak Ironman training coincided with the end of my wife's pregnancy. I could eat anything and it wouldn't make a dent on my body composition. Needless to say bad habits return fast. |
| 2014-01-03 9:14 AM in reply to: uhcoog |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed I train at 5 AM, so I'm up at 4, out the door at 4:30 and on the move no later than 5. I find that a good oatmeal bake is easy and filling. The other go to breakfast for me (especially on long training days) is the muesli recipe out of the original Feed Zone cookbook. |
| 2014-01-03 9:48 AM in reply to: MechEChick |
| 243 Lincoln, Nebraska | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by MechEChick And I feel so much better when I eat healthy, highly nutritious foods. In fact I'm going to go make up a few days worth of breakfast veggie mini quiches right now. Do you have a recipe for these? Why yes, yes I do. I tend to not follow recipes very well (I improvise). They are not vegan - they have eggs and cheese, and lots of veggies. I will add in different veggies or cheese depending what I have on hand. Some times when I throw in extra veggies I'll add in a whole egg or two. But here is the basic recipe: Ingredients 12 spray(s) cooking spray to coat muffin pan 1 package(s) spinach, frozen chopped (10 ounces) 3/4 cup(s) cheese, cheddar, sharp, reduced-fat, shredded or Jack cheese 3/4 cup(s) egg substitute 1/4 cup(s) pepper(s), green, bell finely diced 1/4 cup(s) onion(s) finely diced 3 drop(s) red pepper sauce (optional) Salt and pepper to taste (you can do this after they are done baking or before) Instructions 1 Heat the oven to 350°F. Spray a 12-cup muffin pan with cooking spray. 2 Place spinach in a microwaveable container and cook in the microwave on high power for 2 1/2 minutes. Squeeze to drain excess liquid. 3 In a large bowl, combine spinach, cheese, egg substitute, bell pepper, onion, and pepper sauce, if using. Mix well. Divide mixture evenly among the muffin cups. 4 Bake at 350°F for 20 minutes, or until a tester inserted in the center comes out clean. Makes 12, 2 per serving. Approximately 80 calories per serving (40 per cup). |
| 2014-01-03 10:10 AM in reply to: crissy_jo |
Veteran 580 | Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Originally posted by crissy_jo Originally posted by MechEChick And I feel so much better when I eat healthy, highly nutritious foods. In fact I'm going to go make up a few days worth of breakfast veggie mini quiches right now. Do you have a recipe for these? Why yes, yes I do. I tend to not follow recipes very well (I improvise). They are not vegan - they have eggs and cheese, and lots of veggies. I will add in different veggies or cheese depending what I have on hand. Some times when I throw in extra veggies I'll add in a whole egg or two. But here is the basic recipe: Ingredients 12 spray(s) cooking spray to coat muffin pan 1 package(s) spinach, frozen chopped (10 ounces) 3/4 cup(s) cheese, cheddar, sharp, reduced-fat, shredded or Jack cheese 3/4 cup(s) egg substitute 1/4 cup(s) pepper(s), green, bell finely diced 1/4 cup(s) onion(s) finely diced 3 drop(s) red pepper sauce (optional) Salt and pepper to taste (you can do this after they are done baking or before) Instructions 1 Heat the oven to 350°F. Spray a 12-cup muffin pan with cooking spray. 2 Place spinach in a microwaveable container and cook in the microwave on high power for 2 1/2 minutes. Squeeze to drain excess liquid. 3 In a large bowl, combine spinach, cheese, egg substitute, bell pepper, onion, and pepper sauce, if using. Mix well. Divide mixture evenly among the muffin cups. 4 Bake at 350°F for 20 minutes, or until a tester inserted in the center comes out clean. Makes 12, 2 per serving. Approximately 80 calories per serving (40 per cup). Nice I make up a batch of baked eggs in muffin pans too. I slice sweet potato and/or use rice for the bottom layer, throw in an egg and bake....good pre and post workout bites. |
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