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 2010-03-07 2:07 PM in reply to: #2712711 |
Master  2621    Mechanicsburg, PA |  Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official ThreadPennState - 2010-03-07 2:45 PM James, now is not the time to go fast... I'm at least 2mph slower at this time of year for the same effort when compared with June. Yeah I was just saying I wanted to go faster. |
and the GI issue. 
| 2010-03-07 4:26 PM in reply to: #2337428 |
Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread I managed to get in 49 miles all without leaving Brooklyn! It was amazing to be outside, feel the sun and wind for a change. I felt rather sluggish and didn't take even a fraction of the nutrition I needed but I don't care, it was my first outdoor ride in nearly two months and I split the ride with two different friends, one being the guy I'm seeing so it was also a really fun afternoon and didn't feel like training. I can't wait for more spring weather. |
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Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-03-07 2:02 PM I agree with most of what you said. I do beleive that the hardest part or the part you should really brace for is the one you describe in section 5. When you turn left there you basically have a 4 mile climb to Hazelton in the small ring. That seemed worst to me than the other sections because it didn't have any relief. You can easily get through it, but take your time or it will bite you. The Whiteface section is tougher from an elevation standpoint but does have some breaks. As for the Keene descent, I can't really comment as it scared the buhjeezus out of me in the pouring rain we had in 2008. I am looking forward to enjoying it much more this time around in hopefully better traction conditions. Lastly, I understand there was road work done since 08 but I thought Hazelton was in pretty crappy shape back then and had a lot of potholes. I think I read somewhere that it was fixed in time for last years race. Good assessment and recommendations in your statements. Hey, could any of the LP vets comment on my brief review of the bike course? I was hoping to stimulate a good discussion... especially about the areas YOU found most challenging, as well as strategy. My hope is that this will help the people doing the course the first time. Thanks  |
| 2010-03-07 4:34 PM in reply to: #2712730 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-03-07 2:02 PM Forgot....totally agree that you need to be prepared for those first two climbs out of town. They are steeper than you think and are hardly ever mentioned since the climb through the notch gets all the pub.Hey, could any of the LP vets comment on my brief review of the bike course? I was hoping to stimulate a good discussion... especially about the areas YOU found most challenging, as well as strategy. My hope is that this will help the people doing the course the first time. Thanks Edited by Monty 2010-03-07 4:35 PM |
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Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread got in a short 20 mile recovery ride....easy effort and first ride outside in about 6 months. |
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Master 1471 Dunedin | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread tasr - 2010-03-07 9:32 AMThanks Sara! This is a new adventure for me and a completely 180 as far as career fields. Although I am in no way new to the aquatics field, I have been in and out of all different aquatic positions since the early 80’. After all I was born under a water sign. What kind of facility is it? What kind of programming do you have to do? Are you directly responsible for the things like chlorine levels and pH? (I'm a Cancer, so I can't stay out of the water for long! I start twitching if I'm dry for too long!) =p |
| 2010-03-07 6:42 PM in reply to: #2337428 |
Master 1471 Dunedin | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread I got in a whopping 20 miles!! WOOHOO!! Actually, it was a little of a victory ride. I hadn't been putting air in my tires and was thinking WTF is is so hard to average better than 11mph on an indoor trainer?!!! Hubby and I were cruising beautifully once we got out of the city. The temp was perfect for me, upper 40s, I'm going to be roasting in July!!!!! |
| 2010-03-07 7:03 PM in reply to: #2712698 |
Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread tasr - 2010-03-07 1:30 PM This is like your first run outdoors after running on a treadmill for a couple of weeks. It feels hard and you feel so slow. It is more a feeling than anything else and will pass after a ride or 2 and you will be back to your old outdoor self kicking a$$.PennState - 2010-03-07 7:14 AM Ok round 2 of outside riding today... yesterday I rode at what I would call 'napping' pace... but today I'm going to see if I can put 3 hours in at a better pace and intensity. Anyone else going out today? I just got back from a little 46 miler with 4000ft of climbing. Those hills are right where I left them last year. It was good riding up my old friends again. This was the first outside ride in awhile for me so not acclimatize yet. With the winds at 15-18mph it was bit chilly even for climbs. I started off felling real good then around 12 miles that abdominal cramping started. Felt like someone punched me right in the stomach. I decided to eat half a power bar and that helped. Overall the ride was good, still would have liked to have gone faster. |
| 2010-03-07 7:23 PM in reply to: #2337428 |
Master 1471 Dunedin | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread YAY! I have a pic! |
| 2010-03-07 8:03 PM in reply to: #2712730 |
Expert 1023 Malvern, England | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-03-07 3:02 PM Hey, could any of the LP vets comment on my brief review of the bike course? I was hoping to stimulate a good discussion... especially about the areas YOU found most challenging, as well as strategy. My hope is that this will help the people doing the course the first time. Thanks Well I'm not a vet but I have done LP once before and also rode the loop 3x in a training weekend (not on same day) so I can relate to first timers and what I found. In a completely muddled order.... I found the "well-known" bit from Haselton back to LP a lot easier than my expectations because I had heard about it and expected it to be harder. In fact I didn't NEED to stand up at any point. There were 3 surprises/ bits I found harder (1) the climbing/false flats from LP to where the Keene descent starts. Everyone talks about how you get an early huge descent but not usually much mention that you have to climb a bit first. There is one particular bit where I couldn't understand why I was in such an easy gear and going nowhere (2) The HARDEST part of the course for me, on training rides and race day was the bit from Jay to the out and back turn. (3) The hill that you climb at the end of the out and back (ie nearly back to junction) is a killer and I felt like getting off and walking (but I didn't of course!). Maybe it was a pacing thing as it was toughest second loop but it's etched permanently in my memory. Oh and I love the descent...wheeeeeeeeeee.... I stayed out in the middle of the road and just whizzed past more nervous riders. Gravity is my friend! It was dry in 2007 though. |
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Master 2468 Muskego, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Eff! What was thought to be a bone bruise in my left foot turns out to be a stress fracture. Last night's run is my last for the week and on Friday I get to find out just how long I'm out. I also get to find out if I get to continue to swim and bike (since there's no pain while biking) while my foot heals. Bad news, yes, but I got a dose of reality when I got home and found ESPN showing IMAZ and double amputee Rudy Garcia-Tolson. I do have some crutches porn I could post. But they're not carbon so I'll save the pic for later.
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| 2010-03-08 7:16 AM in reply to: #2337428 |
| Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Sorry to hear about the injury. |
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| Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-03-08 9:36 AM The hardest thing about Ironman is to avoid injuries... anyone disagree? Nope |
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| Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread papson14 - 2010-03-08 8:07 AM Eff! What was thought to be a bone bruise in my left foot turns out to be a stress fracture. Last night's run is my last for the week and on Friday I get to find out just how long I'm out. I also get to find out if I get to continue to swim and bike (since there's no pain while biking) while my foot heals. Bad news, yes, but I got a dose of reality when I got home and found ESPN showing IMAZ and double amputee Rudy Garcia-Tolson. I do have some crutches porn I could post. But they're not carbon so I'll save the pic for later.
I feel for you!....I hope you get better quickly, and it sounds like you caught it early... If you don't mind me asking, what were some of the early signs, now looking back? I only ask as to learn from your experience, and watch for those signs as I go forward. Good luck going forward, and it seems you're taking the right approach mentally and have a good attitude about it. |
| 2010-03-08 9:57 AM in reply to: #2713649 |
| Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-03-08 9:36 AM The hardest thing about Ironman is to avoid injuries... anyone disagree? Totally agree. Even after doing everything seemingly right and having this victorious moment two days before taper started thinking "wow, I did this injury free... go me," I was nailed with a torn PF. I'd say live and learn, but looking back there still weren't enough warning signs to know so now I just keep my fingers crossed that I won't fall apart and I'm being as cautious as is possible while IM training. |
| 2010-03-08 10:06 AM in reply to: #2337428 |
| Expert 1145 Ann Arbor, MI | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread To jackjack and pennstate, thanks for posting your thoughts on the bike course. I'll be referring back to these when I get to ride the course in June. Can't wait! jackjack, you said you didn't need to stand up on one of the climbs, but was there any point when you felt like you needed to get out of the saddle to finish a climb? That question is really to anyone who has ridden the course before. |
| 2010-03-08 10:41 AM in reply to: #2713481 |
| Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread papson14 - 2010-03-08 7:07 AM Stay positive. If your goal is to just finish, you still have plenty of time to pull this off, especially if you can swim and bike. My belief is that training to finish is not as much about specific as it is about the volume. I am purposely keeping my run volume low right now to avoid injury as that is where I get injured. If you can rest your foot till early May, that still gives you 2.5 months to train for the marathon. While not optimal, it is definately possible if you are starting from a high level of aerobic fitness from the extra cycling. Just my 2 cents. What does the in house doc say (your wife)? In any case I wish you luck and wanted to keep you positive. See you in LP..."you will do this!"Eff! What was thought to be a bone bruise in my left foot turns out to be a stress fracture. Last night's run is my last for the week and on Friday I get to find out just how long I'm out. I also get to find out if I get to continue to swim and bike (since there's no pain while biking) while my foot heals. Bad news, yes, but I got a dose of reality when I got home and found ESPN showing IMAZ and double amputee Rudy Garcia-Tolson. I do have some crutches porn I could post. But they're not carbon so I'll save the pic for later.
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| Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-03-07 7:29 AM
I haven't raced IMLP but I've ridden the course a few times now, including one time doing both loops and I think this is really great and really accurate. I would have loved to have this information before my first crack at it because I don't think the elevation map of the IMLP course really prepares you for the parts that are challenging. The small climbs at the start surprised me the first time I did the course and because they looked small, I stayed in the big ring and my legs weren't feeling so hot later. I'm not a major fan of the descent thanks to having a somewhat recent crash, but I do like the "rest" it gives so I just control the speed as much as I can. I don't like to get above 40mph. Ever. The turn at Keene into Jay is my favorite part of the course. I can fly with a low HR and it goes on for quite awhile. I couldn't agree more that the Jay to Hazleton stretch is the hardest, at least for me. It's early enough in the loop that you're tempted to push, but there is plenty more climbing to come. I also overdo it on the out and back. If there are others on the course, i'm tempted to play catch up and if I'm solo, I get antsy and want it to be over. But it's a decent chunk of mileage and the last time I rode (October) I burned myself out a bit there. I cannot wait to get back up there and ride! Thanks again for this, particularly the notes on small ring/big ring as I am still trying to improve my gearing judgement. |
| 2010-03-08 1:06 PM in reply to: #2714197 |
| Expert 1023 Malvern, England | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Yes I agree with Pennstate and was just about to reply the same thing. There wasn't anywhere I NEEDED to stand to get up a hill. However I did stand up multiple times over the course (and not just on hills) just to stretch my legs out. Bear in mind that I did practice spin spin spinning up hills for this but I am a girl (therefore unfortunately not as strong  as some but still didn't need to stand) but also I did ride my road bike which has a triple cassette so I had a lot of easy gear options. |
| 2010-03-08 1:27 PM in reply to: #2714189 |
| Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread You guys bring up a good point about gearing. I used a 12-27 the first time around and it worked great for me and my goals. Hoping to be a stronger cyclist this time around I am toying with the 11-23. I would like to cut at least a half hour off my bike time. I guess getting up there sometime in the spring and trying it will be the best determing factor. What is everyone else thinking? I am sure this has been hashed out already earlier in the thread, but I'm too lazy to go back and look. |
| 2010-03-08 1:38 PM in reply to: #2714577 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Monty - 2010-03-08 2:27 PM You guys bring up a good point about gearing. I used a 12-27 the first time around and it worked great for me and my goals. Hoping to be a stronger cyclist this time around I am toying with the 11-23. I would like to cut at least a half hour off my bike time. I guess getting up there sometime in the spring and trying it will be the best determing factor. What is everyone else thinking? I am sure this has been hashed out already earlier in the thread, but I'm too lazy to go back and look. Note: I have not done the course but have done IM MOO & IM KY. There is no reason to not go with a 12-27 over an 11-23. You will rarely, if ever see the benefit of an 11 over a 12 on the descents. But you will have a huge benefit in having a 27 vice a 23 if needed. You'd be shooting yourself in the foot IMHO. |
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