kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2012 - CLOSED (Page 62)

Yes please do, because I don't agree.  If I do a hard interval workout (Sufferfest or Spinerval), yes, average pace is slower.  But steady effort rides (and staying in a certain HR zone) my average pace is faster.  Now I live in a very hilly area, but it sounds like most of us do.  I don't think indoor is necessarily slower, it depends on the type of workout.

ETA - I think I'm a slacker outside though, so maybe that's part of it.

And yes, you should inflate your tires every time, as well as set the tension the same every time.

What I thought was the start of getting back into things slowly last week, and having a decent volume last week, turned into catching a damn chest cold this week from the rest of the house. Starting to get over it today, and hopefully gone by Monday.

Hope everyone has a great weekend. It's going to be 40's here all weekend.  What a great winter we've had in the Northeast!

Yes please do, because I don't agree.  If I do a hard interval workout (Sufferfest or Spinerval), yes, average pace is slower.  But steady effort rides (and staying in a certain HR zone) my average pace is faster.  Now I live in a very hilly area, but it sounds like most of us do.  I don't think indoor is necessarily slower, it depends on the type of workout.

ETA - I think I'm a slacker outside though, so maybe that's part of it.

And yes, you should inflate your tires every time, as well as set the tension the same every time.

you have to compare apple to apples, not apples to grapefruit.

with intervals or sufferfest, you are working and resting, average MPH is totally useless. In your steady state ride you are staying in a certain HR zone, you will see benefit from training when you are going faster at the same HR. You would need to compare the same workout outside to the inside version, then compare speeds at the same power or HR, those workout are almost impossible to duplicate outside. on a trainer you do not use all the muscles you do on an outside ride, rollers would be more similar to an outside ride than the trainer.  people are typically 1-2 mph faster outside than on a properly setup trainer inside at race pace or threshold pace. If you cupcake your rides (and i am not insinuating that) of course you could be faster inside, but that is a false positive.  Realistically, the trainer is designed to make you stronger to translate to better performance outside, MPH is actually a very inaccurate device to measure regardless, there are too many variables.

feel better soon Bro, winters almost over

What is cupcaking a trainer ride?

I am relying on HR for trainer rides more than anything else, and I'm seeing tons of improvement doing it that way. I don't think I was really pushing myself as hard as I should have been before I started using the monitor.  Now I know how to gauge my efforts.   

it is when you are eating cupcakes instead of riding hard. Thinking it will help you because you need the calories or you will bonk during your workout.

In all seriousness though, The basic fact of the matter is whatever means of measurement you use that is not MPH, as long as you see improvement in the discipline is all you should worry about. MPH can be affected by too many outside influences.

Honestly, when I saw Rudy's reply, the one word in the entire paragraph (and it was a big one) that stood out to me, was cupcake.  That's pretty sad.  Yummmm, did someone say cake???

OK, I then would agree with you.  I'm not comparing apples to apples, there's no way I could around here.  And I took the cupcake comment specific to outdoor rides (because I am the sandbagger after all!), but before I started doing trainer rides by HR, I bet I was doing the same thing inside.  I think all these trainer rides have really been helping my bike fitness.  MPH just happens to be higher, but I'm not really concerned with that number, I'm going by HR and seeing improvements.

So we're all on the same page again???  Let's have cake!

Distilling Rudy's point and placing it in the context of things Kelly and others routinely say: make sure when you go hard you are going hard.  The fact that you are peddling 30 MPH on the trainer may not mean you are going hard.  HR is a lagging indicator of effort and for shorter intervals you need to rely in RPE.  (if you are training with power, watts are watts regardless of whether they are outside watts, inside watts or undersea watts, which is why power is a great way to train). 

Also, cupcakes are good.

and boobs

and boobs

You boys and the boobs....lol

You boys and the boobs....lol

I love when we get sidetracked

Got in a swim this afternoon, 1500 yds. Still working on some stroke mechanics.

I might go get a VO2 Max test done. If you were to do one or the other, would you choose run or bike? I have a direction I'm leaning, but would like to hear from the masses. 

Also will be doing a gait analysis shortly. 

This doesn't help set up your HR zones? That's what I want it for. If I'm off base I don't want to do it.