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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I miss this group! Just checking in to see how you all are doing. Keep on keeping on! The harder you work now the more you will be able to enjoy the big day! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Supposed to do a brick 1 hour ride and 30 minute run today. Weather is rainy with gusting winds up to 40 mph. Tomorrow is a swim day. Should I flip flop days or get out and experience the weather today? My concern isn't so much for the weather, but how affective the ride will be. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DV 1 - 2011-04-11 8:21 AM Supposed to do a brick 1 hour ride and 30 minute run today. Weather is rainy with gusting winds up to 40 mph. Tomorrow is a swim day. Should I flip flop days or get out and experience the weather today? My concern isn't so much for the weather, but how affective the ride will be.
I flip flop in that kind of situation. If race day is like that I will deal but it isn't worth the greater chance of an accident on the bike when it is both rainy and windy to me! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sorry for another (actually two more) questions so early in the day, but.....: 1. The BT plan doesn't indicate brick vs. split am/pm workouts. I assume the more bricks I can do the better. Am I right, or should I be breaking them up for both the benefits of recovery and the ability to push harder on each individual workout? 2. Today's workout calls for a relatively easy bike and a run at "Easy Pace RPE 3." According to the chart below, RPE 3 is walking??? This chart is from an article on this website. Am I really supposed to walk? The top part of the chart would indicate Z3 is intensive endurance, but the bottom clearly says walking. RPE/HR Zone Chart Z1 - Zone 1 or Recovery
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kathy caribe - 2011-04-10 4:20 PM arkmann - 2011-04-10 2:13 PM kathy caribe - 2011-04-10 8:14 AM Plan calls for a measly 4 hours of riding. I had 7 planned. I'm PR'ing my rides, consistently taking time off previous ones and hitting Z2 but my legs are definitely tired. I haven't felt fresh legs and that glorious feeling of wanting to HAMMER HARD for a long time. I do feel strong but I'm wondering if I should dial back the bike dramatically to give more power to the run. Legs feel strong on the run but I haven't felt glorious and fresh for a long time. I think I've probably answered my own question but just didn't want to face up to it. Ride like the wind and as often as you want. The more miles you got in your legs the better. Don't even be conscious of the hours you do and just log them in. You'll be surprised how fast you're gonna be on race day. When I was following the plan, I did a couple of century rides and 50 mile rides almost every other weekend. I didn't care which sport focus it was and rode all I want. I went from 18.5mph on a sprint race last year (my fastest split) to 21.1mph on an olympic race this year. I didn't expect that and I was surprised I was able to sustain the speed. In any of the 3 sports, mileage matter... Oh! Well, that is good news. I was sure I should dial down the riding but as long as I'm getting in swim and run I'll keep the kms high. Thanks! While I agree that cycling miles make a huge difference on race day, there has to be some balance. If your running is not improving because of all the time devoted to cycling, then it may be time to back off. You also do need to give yourself those recovery weeks, but it sounds like you are dropping the volume appropriately. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DV 1 - 2011-04-11 8:06 AM Sorry for another (actually two more) questions so early in the day, but.....: 1. The BT plan doesn't indicate brick vs. split am/pm workouts. I assume the more bricks I can do the better. Am I right, or should I be breaking them up for both the benefits of recovery and the ability to push harder on each individual workout? 2. Today's workout calls for a relatively easy bike and a run at "Easy Pace RPE 3." According to the chart below, RPE 3 is walking??? This chart is from an article on this website. Am I really supposed to walk? The top part of the chart would indicate Z3 is intensive endurance, but the bottom clearly says walking. RPE/HR Zone Chart Z1 - Zone 1 or Recovery
I don't think you need to brick more than once a week or once every two weeks. During the week, have time between your workouts so you can give more to each one. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() akrenik - 2011-04-11 1:19 AM I miss this group! Just checking in to see how you all are doing. Keep on keeping on! The harder you work now the more you will be able to enjoy the big day! What are you training for now? You know you could sign up for a late summer HIM and follow the plan again! ![]() |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wozin8or - 2011-04-11 7:48 AM DV 1 - 2011-04-11 8:21 AM Supposed to do a brick 1 hour ride and 30 minute run today. Weather is rainy with gusting winds up to 40 mph. Tomorrow is a swim day. Should I flip flop days or get out and experience the weather today? My concern isn't so much for the weather, but how affective the ride will be.
I flip flop in that kind of situation. If race day is like that I will deal but it isn't worth the greater chance of an accident on the bike when it is both rainy and windy to me! +1 on this. I don't mind so much running in adverse conditions but not on the bike. Hope your weather gets better. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DV 1 - 2011-04-11 8:06 AM Sorry for another (actually two more) questions so early in the day, but.....: 1. The BT plan doesn't indicate brick vs. split am/pm workouts. I assume the more bricks I can do the better. Am I right, or should I be breaking them up for both the benefits of recovery and the ability to push harder on each individual workout? 2. Today's workout calls for a relatively easy bike and a run at "Easy Pace RPE 3." According to the chart below, RPE 3 is walking??? This chart is from an article on this website. Am I really supposed to walk? The top part of the chart would indicate Z3 is intensive endurance, but the bottom clearly says walking. RPE/HR Zone Chart Z1 - Zone 1 or Recovery
I don't think you are looking at the right RPE chart: RPE Description Bike HR Run HR 0 Complete Rest Resting HR= Resting HR= 1 Very Weak: light walking 2 Weak:strong walk, very slow run, easy conversation pace 3 Moderate:easy run, begin to sweat, but can hold conversation throughout 4 Somewhat Strong:still easy, sweating a bit more 5 6 7 Very Strong:breathing very labored, but can still maintain pace for some minutes without slowing. 8 9 Cannot hold effort for more than a minute or two 10 Extremely Strong (almost maximal) |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cheekymonkeys1 - 2011-04-10 6:23 PM Got my new longest ride to date in today. 40 miles, but oh so SLOW 13.2 mph. ![]() Way to go Girl!!! Time in the saddle counts as much as distance!!! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the replies. The whole HR/RPE/etc... seems to have as many answers as you can find people to respond. I've literally found five charts, all with different info on them. I think the one from popracer is closest to the one I'll use. Unrelated - It turns out that a 40 mph wind in your face pretty much stops you dead in your tracks on a road bike - LOL! It was awesome practice. I had planned to hit the roads, but instead stayed in a few nearby unfinished subdivisions that have decent length paved roads with nothing on either side but fields of nothing. Wind was way too dangerous to be within a few feet of cars. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I am in week 9 and looking for a race for the end of the recovery week. I got two choices a 10K or a short dual (2m x 12 miles x 3.2 miles). While the plan calls for a 10k running negative splits on each 5K, my hip is acting a bit funky. Don't want to push it too hard on the 10k, but I know if I go, I will definitely go hard. The dual may be tough due to rain. Thoughts appreciated? |
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![]() akrenik - 2011-04-11 1:19 AM I miss this group! Just checking in to see how you all are doing. Keep on keeping on! The harder you work now the more you will be able to enjoy the big day! That was nice! Keep checking on us. I'm sure we all could use any extra bit of encouragement we can get. What is next for you? |
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![]() popsracer - 2011-04-11 11:51 AM wozin8or - 2011-04-11 7:48 AM +1 on this. I don't mind so much running in adverse conditions but not on the bike. Hope your weather gets better.DV 1 - 2011-04-11 8:21 AM Supposed to do a brick 1 hour ride and 30 minute run today. Weather is rainy with gusting winds up to 40 mph. Tomorrow is a swim day. Should I flip flop days or get out and experience the weather today? My concern isn't so much for the weather, but how affective the ride will be.
I flip flop in that kind of situation. If race day is like that I will deal but it isn't worth the greater chance of an accident on the bike when it is both rainy and windy to me! I can't flip so much since my swim days are set for T/Th but I would be on the trainer and depending on how hard of a rain the treadmill. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() popsracer - 2011-04-11 8:52 AM akrenik - 2011-04-11 1:19 AM I miss this group! Just checking in to see how you all are doing. Keep on keeping on! The harder you work now the more you will be able to enjoy the big day! What are you training for now? You know you could sign up for a late summer HIM and follow the plan again! ![]() Good plan. |
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![]() | ![]() hey buddy im jeyson, trying hard, just roaming around if i can get what it gets to become a triathlete. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoePetto - 2011-04-11 8:08 PM I am in week 9 and looking for a race for the end of the recovery week. I got two choices a 10K or a short dual (2m x 12 miles x 3.2 miles). While the plan calls for a 10k running negative splits on each 5K, my hip is acting a bit funky. Don't want to push it too hard on the 10k, but I know if I go, I will definitely go hard. The dual may be tough due to rain. Thoughts appreciated? Thats a tough call. The last duathalon I did was 2.6, 14.5, 2.6 and I was running 5k pace. If your hip is bugging you I'd think the 10k might be less stress. Especially if you take the first 5k easy and hit the negative split. Good luck either way. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() popsracer - 2011-04-12 4:55 AM JoePetto - 2011-04-11 8:08 PM I am in week 9 and looking for a race for the end of the recovery week. I got two choices a 10K or a short dual (2m x 12 miles x 3.2 miles). While the plan calls for a 10k running negative splits on each 5K, my hip is acting a bit funky. Don't want to push it too hard on the 10k, but I know if I go, I will definitely go hard. The dual may be tough due to rain. Thoughts appreciated? Thats a tough call. The last duathalon I did was 2.6, 14.5, 2.6 and I was running 5k pace. If your hip is bugging you I'd think the 10k might be less stress. Especially if you take the first 5k easy and hit the negative split. Good luck either way.Hey Pops: I'm opting for the 10K. They are calling for thunderstorms and wind (80% chance) on the day of the dual so my decision has been made for me. Plan on limiting any running this week to the treadmill and see how things go on Sunday.
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As a general question, I know it is "okay" to move the days of training around (in the plan, i.e. I'm in week 8 and I'll move this sunday's workout to Saturday instead) but is it "okay" to move specific workouts around? I'm very comfortable bricking B+R so I don't think I need more practice at that so I'm thinking of moving specific workouts (S, B, R) around the week. I plan on doing the practice tri this weekend (and I've done them already in my training) so I wouldn't split that apart, but the other day's workouts? |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() akrenik - 2011-04-11 9:42 PM popsracer - 2011-04-11 8:52 AM akrenik - 2011-04-11 1:19 AM I miss this group! Just checking in to see how you all are doing. Keep on keeping on! The harder you work now the more you will be able to enjoy the big day! What are you training for now? You know you could sign up for a late summer HIM and follow the plan again! ![]() Good plan.
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kathy caribe - 2011-04-12 7:26 AM As a general question, I know it is "okay" to move the days of training around (in the plan, i.e. I'm in week 8 and I'll move this sunday's workout to Saturday instead) but is it "okay" to move specific workouts around? I'm very comfortable bricking B+R so I don't think I need more practice at that so I'm thinking of moving specific workouts (S, B, R) around the week. I plan on doing the practice tri this weekend (and I've done them already in my training) so I wouldn't split that apart, but the other day's workouts? I think that's fine. A lot of that is for practice/familiarity but if you are moving and getting the training in I think you will be fine. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm loving this BT plan since making the switch last week. Today's swim went great! MS was 3x400 increasing intensity from 2-4 RPE. I decided this morning to really kick the swim's butt and boy did I come through. Final 400 was at a 1:34 pace. Felt like I could have gone a lot farther at that pace too. I think my breakthrough came last week during a breathing drill when I decided to embrace the 2/3/2 breath rate as opposed to strictly bilateral. I use bilateral for wu and easier sets, but when I push it, the 2/3/2 keeps my cardio in check much better and allows me to keep way better position during my breaths. Before, I was lifting my head way too much to extend the length of time my mouth was in the air so I could GASP. Now, it's still labored, but not out of control. Very good day :-) |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DV 1 - 2011-04-12 7:34 PM I'm loving this BT plan since making the switch last week. Today's swim went great! MS was 3x400 increasing intensity from 2-4 RPE. I decided this morning to really kick the swim's butt and boy did I come through. Final 400 was at a 1:34 pace. Felt like I could have gone a lot farther at that pace too. I think my breakthrough came last week during a breathing drill when I decided to embrace the 2/3/2 breath rate as opposed to strictly bilateral. I use bilateral for wu and easier sets, but when I push it, the 2/3/2 keeps my cardio in check much better and allows me to keep way better position during my breaths. Before, I was lifting my head way too much to extend the length of time my mouth was in the air so I could GASP. Now, it's still labored, but not out of control. Very good day :-) Great pace! Can you please explain the drill using the 2/3/2 rate. thx |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DV 1 - 2011-04-12 6:34 PM I'm loving this BT plan since making the switch last week. Today's swim went great! MS was 3x400 increasing intensity from 2-4 RPE. I decided this morning to really kick the swim's butt and boy did I come through. Final 400 was at a 1:34 pace. Felt like I could have gone a lot farther at that pace too. I think my breakthrough came last week during a breathing drill when I decided to embrace the 2/3/2 breath rate as opposed to strictly bilateral. I use bilateral for wu and easier sets, but when I push it, the 2/3/2 keeps my cardio in check much better and allows me to keep way better position during my breaths. Before, I was lifting my head way too much to extend the length of time my mouth was in the air so I could GASP. Now, it's still labored, but not out of control. Very good day :-) That's an awesome breakthrough, congrats I think I swam around 1:30 in a race but have never really killed it with that kind of pace in a training session...truly awesome! Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm going to guess that 2/3/2 breath is going to be where you breathe on the same side after a full rotation, followed by breathing on the opposite side after 1.5 rotations (3 arm strokes), and then breathe after another rotation, and repeat. So if you started your breath on the right, it would go: right (2), left (3), left (2)...and repeat |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 2/3/2 or 3/2/3 .....or whatever you call it??? stroke stroke/breath stroke stroke stroke/breath stroke stroke/breath stroke stroke stroke/breath I get in 7% more breathing and that seems to make a big difference. 2/3/2 = 33% breathing bilateral = 26% breathing
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