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 2012-06-04 8:10 PM in reply to: #4244556 |
Extreme Veteran  576  |  Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - ClosedJBacarella - 2012-06-05 9:13 AM
Edited by Matthews 2012-06-04 8:11 PM |
| 2012-06-04 8:20 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 819  In the Shadow of the Big House | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" Nice bike tonight 27 miles in 1:21. Steady cross wind the whole out and back but seemed to handle it well. Maybe there is still hope for a decent bike leg in two weeks. |
| 2012-06-04 8:49 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 1544 Alexandria, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Against my better judgement, went out for a run in the heat of the day. I'm trying hard to stick with this MAF thing, I've got the book (but I'm saving it for a 4 hour flight to CA on Friday), but I actually am getting slower in the handful of runs I've done. The first few were up in the mid 11 minute pace, I had one that was high 10, then my last three have been over 12 minute miles. Is that to be expected? I know and was prepared to have to slow down quite a bit, but after a couple weeks I'm only getting slower to keep my heartrate in the MAF zone. Today I finally broke down and just ran the last .5 mile at whatever pace I felt like regardless of heart rate, which is the only reason my avg. pace for today's run was just over 11/mile. The first two miles were 12:06 and 12:12. Do I need to just shut up, read the book and stop whining?
- Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" Edited by Climbinggonzo 2012-06-04 8:54 PM |
| 2012-06-04 8:51 PM in reply to: #4244663 |
Master 1780 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 7 mile run @ 1:33'59" - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" Edited to add Andy - posting at the same time Edited by Samyg 2012-06-04 8:53 PM |
| 2012-06-04 8:51 PM in reply to: #4244663 |
Master 1780 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed |
| 2012-06-04 9:14 PM in reply to: #4244712 |
Master 2238 Dallas | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Climbinggonzo - 2012-06-04 8:49 PM Read the book and stop whining. Against my better judgement, went out for a run in the heat of the day. I'm trying hard to stick with this MAF thing, I've got the book (but I'm saving it for a 4 hour flight to CA on Friday), but I actually am getting slower in the handful of runs I've done. The first few were up in the mid 11 minute pace, I had one that was high 10, then my last three have been over 12 minute miles. Is that to be expected? I know and was prepared to have to slow down quite a bit, but after a couple weeks I'm only getting slower to keep my heartrate in the MAF zone. Today I finally broke down and just ran the last .5 mile at whatever pace I felt like regardless of heart rate, which is the only reason my avg. pace for today's run was just over 11/mile. The first two miles were 12:06 and 12:12. Do I need to just shut up, read the book and stop whining?  If you meet ONE person that tried it and thinks it is BS, then you may have a reason to doubt it. Everybody that has really stuck to it in this forum has seen awesome results. |
| 2012-06-04 9:23 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 1 hour on the drainer doing drills. - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" - MatthewS: S 2 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5; 04:17'00" - Scott P : S 1/B 1/R 3/ Rest days 0; Total = 5; 3:26'59" - Scott: S:1 / B 3 / R 1/ Rest days 1 ; Total = 4; 4:34:45 - Jim : S 2 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1: Total = 4: 3:30':04" - Gabe : S 1 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 4; 03:19'29" - Andy : S 1 / B 0 / R 3 / Rest Days 1; Total = 4 ; 2:47':09" - Mike: S 0 / B 2 / R 1 / Rest Days 1: Total = 4: 2;40'45" - Chris : S 0/ B 2/ R 1/ Rest Days 1; Total = 3; 4:30:30 - Samyg: S 1 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1; Total = 3 ; 3:52'14 - Barry : S 1 / B 1 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 3 ; 02:37'55" - Ernesto : S 0 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 3 ; 02:36'47" - MarkZ : S 0 / B 1 / R 1/ Rest Days 0 ; Total = 2; 04:47':00" - Rachel : S 0 / B 0 / R 2 / Rest Days 2; Total = 2; 2:33'00" - MarkH: S 1 / B 1 / R 0 / Rest Days 0; Total = 2 ; 1:40'00" - JoeP : S 0 / B 1 / R 0 / Rest Day 1; Total = 1; 1:44'54" - Mitch : S 0 / B 0 / R 1 / Rest Days 2 ; Total = 1; 1:44':43" |
| 2012-06-04 9:24 PM in reply to: #4244717 |
Veteran 445 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Lunchtime swim & 5 mile run after work - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" |
| 2012-06-04 9:26 PM in reply to: #4244771 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Barry overwrote me. Fixing. - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" - MatthewS: S 2 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5; 04:17'00" - Barry : S 2 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5 ; 04:16'26" - Scott P : S 1/B 1/R 3/ Rest days 0; Total = 5; 3:26'59" - Scott: S:1 / B 3 / R 1/ Rest days 1 ; Total = 4; 4:34:45 - Jim : S 2 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1: Total = 4: 3:30':04" - Gabe : S 1 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 4; 03:19'29" - Andy : S 1 / B 0 / R 3 / Rest Days 1; Total = 4 ; 2:47':09" - Mike: S 0 / B 2 / R 1 / Rest Days 1: Total = 4: 2;40'45" - Chris : S 0/ B 2/ R 1/ Rest Days 1; Total = 3; 4:30:30 - Samyg: S 1 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1; Total = 3 ; 3:52'14 - Ernesto : S 0 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 3 ; 02:36'47" - MarkZ : S 0 / B 1 / R 1/ Rest Days 0 ; Total = 2; 04:47':00" - Rachel : S 0 / B 0 / R 2 / Rest Days 2; Total = 2; 2:33'00" - MarkH: S 1 / B 1 / R 0 / Rest Days 0; Total = 2 ; 1:40'00" - JoeP : S 0 / B 1 / R 0 / Rest Day 1; Total = 1; 1:44'54" - Mitch : S 0 / B 0 / R 1 / Rest Days 2 ; Total = 1; 1:44':43" |
| 2012-06-04 10:36 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Expert 1109 Guatemala | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Adding a 3k swim tonight - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" |
| 2012-06-04 11:34 PM in reply to: #4123283 |
Extreme Veteran 576 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Can somebody please have a look at the link from my run last night. Looking at the HR data i don't think its working correctly. Its too much up and down or is that what every bodies looks like?? http://connect.garmin.com/activity/185726491 |
| 2012-06-05 4:56 AM in reply to: #4244919 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Matthews - 2012-06-04 11:34 PM Can somebody please have a look at the link from my run last night. Looking at the HR data i don't think its working correctly. Its too much up and down or is that what every bodies looks like?? http://connect.garmin.com/activity/185726491 Matthew, That's what happens when you run up a hill and don't slow down. Your heart rate spikes. Garmins do mess up, but it is usually the first mile of the run, usually because of insufficient moisture between the heart strap and your chest. But your spike was that you were running fast (8:50 miles) up a hill. As soon as you reached the top of the hill, your heart rate came down again. Hills are like that. |
| 2012-06-05 5:43 AM in reply to: #4244876 |
Expert 1480 Somewhere in the Swamps of Philly | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 46' on the drainer - high cadence and low effort. - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" |
| 2012-06-05 8:16 AM in reply to: #4123283 |
| Regular 146 Indiana | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 0; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" Edited by mikar_68 2012-06-05 8:17 AM |
| 2012-06-05 8:22 AM in reply to: #4123283 |
| Regular 146 Indiana | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Okay, here is a question about MAF for all of you. I have a sprint coming up in 3 weeks and I have been training at MAF for about 2.5 weeks. I am seeing improvements in my long runs, but think I should be adding speed work into my workouts to prepare for my sprint. A fellow triathlete who usually finishes in the top 5 told me I will never improve my speed without doing more speed work. He actually says that I should not be doing anything longer than 4 mile runs and they should be all out or at my goal race pace for the sprint. I do know that the MAF training is helping because I started 2 weeks ago with a MAF pace of just over 14 min. miles and today I ran 7 miles at a 10:30 pace. I also felt great during and after the run. Any thoughts on this logic? Any training ideas for the next 3 weeks to help me improve my speed? |
| 2012-06-05 8:23 AM in reply to: #4123283 |
Veteran 452 Colorado Springs | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Taking a rest day to recharge and get some things done around the house. Yesterday I was in the pool a second time to play with the kids and they couldn't understand why after 30minutes I was tired of pushing their raft around in the water. - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 1; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" |
| 2012-06-05 8:32 AM in reply to: #4123283 |
Regular 200 Colorado Springs | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed I went for a run this morning and I think my body was telling me I need a rest day soon. My avg pace was about 1:30 per mile slower than my last few runs at around the same avg HR. Overally it was 4.03 miles in 40:02. - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 1; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" |
| 2012-06-05 9:23 AM in reply to: #4245286 |
| Maple Grove, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 75 minute master's swim class. Putting down 1 hour to account for wall time. Also, Mike. Rest days don't count towards total. - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 1; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" - Scott P : S 1/B 1/R 4/ Rest days 0; Total = 6; 4:07'01" - MatthewS: S 2 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5; 04:17'00" - Gabe : S 2 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5; 04:24'05" - Barry : S 2 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5 ; 04:16'26" - Chris : S 1/ B 2/ R 1/ Rest Days 1; Total = 4; 5:30:30 - Scott: S:1 / B 3 / R 1/ Rest days 1 ; Total = 4; 4:34:45 - Jim : S 2 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1: Total = 4: 3:30':04" - Andy : S 1 / B 0 / R 3 / Rest Days 1; Total = 4 ; 2:47':09" - Mike: S 0 / B 2 / R 2 / Rest Days 1: Total = 5: 4;06'25" - Samyg: S 1 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1; Total = 3 ; 3:52'14 - Ernesto : S 0 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 3 ; 02:36'47" - MarkZ : S 0 / B 1 / R 1/ Rest Days 0 ; Total = 2; 04:47':00" - Rachel : S 0 / B 0 / R 2 / Rest Days 2; Total = 2; 2:33'00" - MarkH: S 1 / B 1 / R 0 / Rest Days 0; Total = 2 ; 1:40'00" - JoeP : S 0 / B 2 / R 0 / Rest Day 3; Total = 2; 2:3054" - Mitch : S 0 / B 0 / R 1 / Rest Days 2 ; Total = 1; 1:44':43" |
| 2012-06-05 10:13 AM in reply to: #4245254 |
Expert 1544 Alexandria, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed mikar_68 - 2012-06-05 8:22 AM Okay, here is a question about MAF for all of you. I have a sprint coming up in 3 weeks and I have been training at MAF for about 2.5 weeks. I am seeing improvements in my long runs, but think I should be adding speed work into my workouts to prepare for my sprint. A fellow triathlete who usually finishes in the top 5 told me I will never improve my speed without doing more speed work. He actually says that I should not be doing anything longer than 4 mile runs and they should be all out or at my goal race pace for the sprint. From what I understand and have learned here at BT, that's not necessarily very good advice. It sounds to me like a good way to get injured and to burnout on your training. It may work for your friend however if they've been at this for a long time and built up their body to be able to take such punishment. I think that in my case that attitude towards my training, running so close to or at my race pace all the time, has only lead to nagging aches, pains and injuries. What say you Ernesto, is that accurate? |
| 2012-06-05 11:52 AM in reply to: #4245553 |
| Regular 146 Indiana | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Climbinggonzo - 2012-06-05 11:13 AM mikar_68 - 2012-06-05 8:22 AM Okay, here is a question about MAF for all of you. I have a sprint coming up in 3 weeks and I have been training at MAF for about 2.5 weeks. I am seeing improvements in my long runs, but think I should be adding speed work into my workouts to prepare for my sprint. A fellow triathlete who usually finishes in the top 5 told me I will never improve my speed without doing more speed work. He actually says that I should not be doing anything longer than 4 mile runs and they should be all out or at my goal race pace for the sprint. From what I understand and have learned here at BT, that's not necessarily very good advice. It sounds to me like a good way to get injured and to burnout on your training. It may work for your friend however if they've been at this for a long time and built up their body to be able to take such punishment. I think that in my case that attitude towards my training, running so close to or at my race pace all the time, has only lead to nagging aches, pains and injuries. What say you Ernesto, is that accurate? Interesting point. Do you incorporate any speed work in your weekly workouts or just MAF for time? I tend to lean toward your camp, but still want to make sure I get faster. I am also interested in hearing what Ernesto thinks as well as anyone else here. Thanks for the feedback. |
| 2012-06-05 11:53 AM in reply to: #4245435 |
| Regular 146 Indiana | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed chris2533 - 2012-06-05 10:23 AM 75 minute master's swim class. Putting down 1 hour to account for wall time. Also, Mike. Rest days don't count towards total. - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 1; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" - Scott P : S 1/B 1/R 4/ Rest days 0; Total = 6; 4:07'01" - MatthewS: S 2 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5; 04:17'00" - Gabe : S 2 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5; 04:24'05" - Barry : S 2 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5 ; 04:16'26" - Chris : S 1/ B 2/ R 1/ Rest Days 1; Total = 4; 5:30:30 - Scott: S:1 / B 3 / R 1/ Rest days 1 ; Total = 4; 4:34:45 - Jim : S 2 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1: Total = 4: 3:30':04" - Andy : S 1 / B 0 / R 3 / Rest Days 1; Total = 4 ; 2:47':09" - Mike: S 0 / B 2 / R 2 / Rest Days 1: Total = 5: 4;06'25" - Samyg: S 1 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1; Total = 3 ; 3:52'14 - Ernesto : S 0 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 3 ; 02:36'47" - MarkZ : S 0 / B 1 / R 1/ Rest Days 0 ; Total = 2; 04:47':00" - Rachel : S 0 / B 0 / R 2 / Rest Days 2; Total = 2; 2:33'00" - MarkH: S 1 / B 1 / R 0 / Rest Days 0; Total = 2 ; 1:40'00" - JoeP : S 0 / B 2 / R 0 / Rest Day 3; Total = 2; 2:3054" - Mitch : S 0 / B 0 / R 1 / Rest Days 2 ; Total = 1; 1:44':43" I forgot you mentioned this...sorry. I will correct this on my next update. |
| 2012-06-05 12:41 PM in reply to: #4245797 |
Expert 1544 Alexandria, MN | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed mikar_68 - 2012-06-05 11:52 AM Climbinggonzo - 2012-06-05 11:13 AM mikar_68 - 2012-06-05 8:22 AM Okay, here is a question about MAF for all of you. I have a sprint coming up in 3 weeks and I have been training at MAF for about 2.5 weeks. I am seeing improvements in my long runs, but think I should be adding speed work into my workouts to prepare for my sprint. A fellow triathlete who usually finishes in the top 5 told me I will never improve my speed without doing more speed work. He actually says that I should not be doing anything longer than 4 mile runs and they should be all out or at my goal race pace for the sprint. From what I understand and have learned here at BT, that's not necessarily very good advice. It sounds to me like a good way to get injured and to burnout on your training. It may work for your friend however if they've been at this for a long time and built up their body to be able to take such punishment. I think that in my case that attitude towards my training, running so close to or at my race pace all the time, has only lead to nagging aches, pains and injuries. What say you Ernesto, is that accurate? Interesting point. Do you incorporate any speed work in your weekly workouts or just MAF for time? I tend to lean toward your camp, but still want to make sure I get faster. I am also interested in hearing what Ernesto thinks as well as anyone else here. Thanks for the feedback. I'm just getting started with the MAF program, but I'm hoping to start one speed work or faster run per week in addition to the slower MAF runs. |
| 2012-06-05 1:14 PM in reply to: #4245802 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed 6 mile runch 50:25 - Jennie P : S 1/ B 2/ R 3/ Rest Days 1; Total = 6 : 05:07'18" - Scott P : S 1/B 1/R 4/ Rest days 0; Total = 6; 4:07'01" - MatthewS: S 2 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5; 04:17'00" - Gabe : S 2 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5; 04:24'05" - Barry : S 2 / B 1 / R 2/ Rest Days 1 ; Total = 5 ; 04:16'26" - Chris : S 1/ B 2/ R 1/ Rest Days 1; Total = 4; 5:30:30 -Scott: S:1 / B 3 / R 1/ Rest days 1;Total = 4; 4:34:45 - Jim:S 2/B 1/R 2 / Rest Days 1: Total =5; 4:20':29" - Andy : S 1 / B 0 / R 3 / Rest Days 1; Total = 4;2:47':09" - Mike: S 0 / B 2 / R 2 / Rest Days 1: Total =5: 4;06'25" - Samyg: S 1 / B 1 / R 1 / Rest Days 1; Total = 3; 3:52'14 - Ernesto : S 0 / B 2 / R 1/ Rest Days 1; Total = 3 ; 02:36'47" - MarkZ : S 0 / B 1 / R 1/ Rest Days 0 ; Total = 2; 04:47':00" - Rachel : S 0 / B 0 / R 2 / Rest Days 2; Total =2; 2:33'00" - MarkH: S 1 / B 1 / R 0 / Rest Days 0; Total = 2 ; 1:40'00" - JoeP : S 0 / B 2 / R 0 / Rest Day 3; Total = 2; 2:3054" - Mitch : S 0 / B 0 / R 1 / Rest Days 2 ; Total = 1; 1:44':43" Edited by JBacarella 2012-06-05 1:29 PM |
| 2012-06-05 1:21 PM in reply to: #4246013 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed |
| 2012-06-05 1:55 PM in reply to: #4245935 |
Expert 2811 | Subject: RE: Ernesto's group (4th season) - Closed Climbinggonzo - 2012-06-05 12:41 PM mikar_68 - 2012-06-05 11:52 AM Climbinggonzo - 2012-06-05 11:13 AM mikar_68 - 2012-06-05 8:22 AM Okay, here is a question about MAF for all of you. I have a sprint coming up in 3 weeks and I have been training at MAF for about 2.5 weeks. I am seeing improvements in my long runs, but think I should be adding speed work into my workouts to prepare for my sprint. A fellow triathlete who usually finishes in the top 5 told me I will never improve my speed without doing more speed work. He actually says that I should not be doing anything longer than 4 mile runs and they should be all out or at my goal race pace for the sprint. From what I understand and have learned here at BT, that's not necessarily very good advice. It sounds to me like a good way to get injured and to burnout on your training. It may work for your friend however if they've been at this for a long time and built up their body to be able to take such punishment. I think that in my case that attitude towards my training, running so close to or at my race pace all the time, has only lead to nagging aches, pains and injuries. What say you Ernesto, is that accurate? Interesting point. Do you incorporate any speed work in your weekly workouts or just MAF for time? I tend to lean toward your camp, but still want to make sure I get faster. I am also interested in hearing what Ernesto thinks as well as anyone else here. Thanks for the feedback. I'm just getting started with the MAF program, but I'm hoping to start one speed work or faster run per week in addition to the slower MAF runs. Build a powerful motor first, then add in speed work. The first 90 days I stayed sub-MAF, then slowly introduced speed work. I have only done 3 speed sessions. Now I am running at about the same speed I was before the MAF traing but my heartrate is lower by about 10 bpm. Don't worry about speed, you are not going to lose anything by training at MAF, unless you count the minor things like knee and back pain, or in my case achilles tendonitis. Race at race speed. Edited by JBacarella 2012-06-05 2:20 PM |
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