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2012-02-28 10:30 AM
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Does anyone know what a good Wolf swimming score is on the Garmin 910XT

I am avgering a 35 But have know Idea if that is good or bad?

Wolf or Golf?

Garmin calls it a Swolf score

Number of secs per 25 yards plus stroke count



2012-02-28 10:37 AM
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Does anyone know what a good Wolf swimming score is on the Garmin 910XT

I am avgering a 35 But have know Idea if that is good or bad?

Wolf or Golf?

Garmin calls it a Swolf score

Number of secs per 25 yards plus stroke count

Pretty much the same as swim golf.  Swim golf is performed by swimming 50-yards, and recording your time, in seconds, and the total number of strokes it took. Take the sum of these two numbers, and that is your score. Like the sport of golf, the lower the score, the better. A score that is above 65, for taller athletes, and 75, for shorter athletes, is typically indicative of the need for work with balance drill sets, to improve streamlining.

Your score of 70 (doubling the 35 for 25 yards) probably means you could benefit from some work on balance and streamlining. 

Have you ever done any balance drills in the water?

2012-02-28 11:11 AM
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kaburns1214 - 2012-02-28 10:37 AM
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kaburns1214 - 2012-02-28 9:55 AM
triguy1043 - 2012-02-28 10:40 AM

Does anyone know what a good Wolf swimming score is on the Garmin 910XT

I am avgering a 35 But have know Idea if that is good or bad?

Wolf or Golf?

Garmin calls it a Swolf score

Number of secs per 25 yards plus stroke count

Pretty much the same as swim golf.  Swim golf is performed by swimming 50-yards, and recording your time, in seconds, and the total number of strokes it took. Take the sum of these two numbers, and that is your score. Like the sport of golf, the lower the score, the better. A score that is above 65, for taller athletes, and 75, for shorter athletes, is typically indicative of the need for work with balance drill sets, to improve streamlining.

Your score of 70 (doubling the 35 for 25 yards) probably means you could benefit from some work on balance and streamlining. 

Have you ever done any balance drills in the water?

I have not done any balance or streamlining drills please explain.

I did 10x200's today and avgeraged 3:12 per 200 with 1 min rest in between.

2012-02-28 12:58 PM
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So still 160 lbs.

 

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2012-02-28 1:08 PM
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20 miler this weekend and then it's taper time for the DC RnR marathon.  Hooray!

2012-02-28 2:48 PM
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jarvy01 - 2012-02-27 11:52 AM Ok, I've officially strained the area around my ankle (or even worse, fractured it).  No running for me until this pain eases.  Who knows....perhaps it will feel better tomorrow, but as of now it's only cycling and swimming.

From someone who has had over 20 ankle sprains and reconstructive ankle surgery -- be nice to it.  How did you strain it?

I am a supinator, so there is a lot of stress on the outside of my feet.  When I was running yesterday, I started to feel a sharp pain above my ankle.  It's right above the bony knob.  It hurts when I run, walk, climb stairs, and put pressure on it.  I didn't feel any pain in the pool yesterday, and I only felt pain when I stood on the bike today (so I stopped getting out of the saddle...LOL).  I have it wrapped up nicely right now, and it feels good.  Any idea what this could be?  I don't think it's the actual ankle.  

Anyway, I'm giving it until Thursday, and then I'll ask for imaging if it doesn't feel better. 

Gordie puked all night long, and Madge woke up with pinkeye.  I ate Gordie's leftover cake last night (with his fork!), so we'll see if it heads my way.  My house is so nasty right now.  I think it's going to be in the 50s tomorrow, and you'd better believe that these windows will be open.  

I'm an extreme suprinator with ankle instability and have both sprained my ankle over 20 times, had a stress fracture and break in my Fibula (which is the bone on the outside of the lower leg) and had issues with the peroneus brevis (the muscle on the outside of the lower leg) and the fibularis brevis (the tendon the connects the peroneus brevis to the tibia).

The fact that it hurts when you put pressure on it (especially the fact that the pain occurs when you stand on the bike but not in the pool) makes me really concerned that you may have a stress fracture in your tibia.  When I had that stress fracture, I had similar symptoms and wrapping it tightly made it feel much better.  I decided I could work through the stress fracture and ended up with a full break and was in a cast for 6 weeks.  You should go see the doctor.  If nothing shows up on the x-ray, you might want to request a bone scan.  Until you have an actual medical diagnosis I would not run (other than deep water running -- this also means no elliptical) I would keep things aerobic (and seated) on the bike and be careful about pushing off walls on the swim. 

My injury sounds exactly like what you've described.  I stand for most of the day right now with the cleaning and painting.  I wrapped it up tightly this morning, and it felt great.  Then I took the wrap off for lunch.  When I resumed activity, the pain came back.  WTH.  

I have an appt. with the doctor tomorrow.  I'll have 3 children with me, one of whom will be cutting a nap short by 1 hour, so I'm not sure I'll be able to get imaging with children (perhaps the nurse can stand outside with them?!  I don't know).  



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20 miler this weekend and then it's taper time for the DC RnR marathon.  Hooray!

That's exciting!!

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Jen - I've had a stress fracture in my fibula also.  Before you try running make sure it's not fractured, you don't want to prolong recovery.  I hope it's not, keep us posted.

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karen26.2 - 2012-02-28 10:27 PM

Jen - I've had a stress fracture in my fibula also.  Before you try running make sure it's not fractured, you don't want to prolong recovery.  I hope it's not, keep us posted.

I will.  My daughter was up vomiting all night, and she has a 102 fever, so it looks like my appt. will have to be rescheduled.  Perhaps I can get in on Saturday.  Honestly, I'm pretty concerned.  It hurts.  Whatever the case, I won't be running for a while.  I'm going to become one badass cyclist and swimmer in the meantime

Just curious....how long does it take stress fractures to heal?



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OK run.  Legs felt heavy this morning.  Ready to get this show on the road to Disney.  Apparently Buzz, Woody and Captain Hook are scary to Abby and Reagan will "be heartbroken" if she can't meet Rapunzel.  What I wouldn't give for a boy sometimes.
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uhcoog - 2012-02-29 9:56 AM OK run.  Legs felt heavy this morning.  Ready to get this show on the road to Disney.  Apparently Buzz, Woody and Captain Hook are scary to Abby and Reagan will "be heartbroken" if she can't meet Rapunzel.  What I wouldn't give for a boy sometimes.

 

Just remember 20 years from now. Boys will love you for a day, your daughters will love you for life.

Also, when you have a boy, you only need to worry about one penis, when you have a girl, you have to worry about ALL the penises.

 

LOL!!!!  There is both ends of the spectrum from Rudedogs words to live by.

 



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uhcoog - 2012-02-29 9:56 AM OK run.  Legs felt heavy this morning.  Ready to get this show on the road to Disney.  Apparently Buzz, Woody and Captain Hook are scary to Abby and Reagan will "be heartbroken" if she can't meet Rapunzel.  What I wouldn't give for a boy sometimes.

 

Just remember 20 years from now. Boys will love you for a day, your daughters will love you for life.

Also, when you have a boy, you only need to worry about one penis, when you have a girl, you have to worry about ALL the penises.

 

LOL!!!!  There is both ends of the spectrum from Rudedogs words to live by.

 

I think the day/life thing is true in some ways.  My husband never calls his parents, forgets their anniversary and birthdays, etc.  I call my mother almost every day, as she is a great friend, and I speak to my father regularly, too, though our relationship is different and strained. 

My boys are so EASY, and my daughter is such drama diva even though she is a tomboy.  Conrad has tons of friends and never fights with them or says a negative thing about them.  Madge, on the other hand, is constantly bickering with her best friends.  She'll go on and on and she's only 5.  I toss clothes at Conrad and Gordie in the morning, and they put them on, never questioning my choice for the day.  Madge always has something to say.  She hates the pants, the shirt is ugly, she doesn't want braids today, etc.  My goodness.  She has to express her every thought, too.  She looooooves one thing while hating another.  LOL  

Boys/men are easy.  It's the girls and women who are complete pains.  I grew up with 3 younger sisters (my dad says he was being punished...LMAO), so I know the drama.  I love my mom, sisters, and girlfriends more than anything, and there's nothing more emotionally gratifying than my relationships with them, but the ups and downs are hard.  Since I am raising both sexes, I feel like I'm qualified to say that the boys are much, much easier!  

That's my little rant.  Haha. 

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uhcoog - 2012-02-29 9:56 AM OK run.  Legs felt heavy this morning.  Ready to get this show on the road to Disney.  Apparently Buzz, Woody and Captain Hook are scary to Abby and Reagan will "be heartbroken" if she can't meet Rapunzel.  What I wouldn't give for a boy sometimes.

 

Just remember 20 years from now. Boys will love you for a day, your daughters will love you for life.

Also, when you have a boy, you only need to worry about one penis, when you have a girl, you have to worry about ALL the penises.

 

LOL!!!!  There is both ends of the spectrum from Rudedogs words to live by.

 

Oh so aware of this.  I did live in my fraternity house for a year.  Oh the images I can't remove from my brain.

2012-02-29 10:22 AM
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uhcoog - 2012-02-29 9:56 AM OK run.  Legs felt heavy this morning.  Ready to get this show on the road to Disney.  Apparently Buzz, Woody and Captain Hook are scary to Abby and Reagan will "be heartbroken" if she can't meet Rapunzel.  What I wouldn't give for a boy sometimes.

 

Just remember 20 years from now. Boys will love you for a day, your daughters will love you for life.

Also, when you have a boy, you only need to worry about one penis, when you have a girl, you have to worry about ALL the penises.

 

LOL!!!!  There is both ends of the spectrum from Rudedogs words to live by.

 

I think the day/life thing is true in some ways.  My husband never calls his parents, forgets their anniversary and birthdays, etc.  I call my mother almost every day, as she is a great friend, and I speak to my father regularly, too, though our relationship is different and strained. 

My boys are so EASY, and my daughter is such drama diva even though she is a tomboy.  Conrad has tons of friends and never fights with them or says a negative thing about them.  Madge, on the other hand, is constantly bickering with her best friends.  She'll go on and on and she's only 5.  I toss clothes at Conrad and Gordie in the morning, and they put them on, never questioning my choice for the day.  Madge always has something to say.  She hates the pants, the shirt is ugly, she doesn't want braids today, etc.  My goodness.  She has to express her every thought, too.  She looooooves one thing while hating another.  LOL  

Boys/men are easy.  It's the girls and women who are complete pains.  I grew up with 3 younger sisters (my dad says he was being punished...LMAO), so I know the drama.  I love my mom, sisters, and girlfriends more than anything, and there's nothing more emotionally gratifying than my relationships with them, but the ups and downs are hard.  Since I am raising both sexes, I feel like I'm qualified to say that the boys are much, much easier!  

That's my little rant.  Haha. 

 

My Mom always felt boys were easier too.  She always said boys are too dumb to be sneaky.  That we always had exactly what we were thinking written across our foreheads whether we were telling her or not.  Girls on the other hand are drama and mask the truth oh so much better.

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Does anyone know what a good Wolf swimming score is on the Garmin 910XT

I am avgering a 35 But have know Idea if that is good or bad?

Wolf or Golf?

Garmin calls it a Swolf score

Number of secs per 25 yards plus stroke count

Pretty much the same as swim golf.  Swim golf is performed by swimming 50-yards, and recording your time, in seconds, and the total number of strokes it took. Take the sum of these two numbers, and that is your score. Like the sport of golf, the lower the score, the better. A score that is above 65, for taller athletes, and 75, for shorter athletes, is typically indicative of the need for work with balance drill sets, to improve streamlining.

Your score of 70 (doubling the 35 for 25 yards) probably means you could benefit from some work on balance and streamlining. 

Have you ever done any balance drills in the water?

I have not done any balance or streamlining drills please explain.

I did 10x200's today and avgeraged 3:12 per 200 with 1 min rest in between.

The good news is your fast already (so you have the stregnth).  Addressing some small balance issues will add some free speed.  The best way (I've found) to deal with balanace issues is with Total Immersion ("TI") drills.  The general progression for balance is:

Sweet Spot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnOI09mDoao

Long Vessel Sweet Spot

Zipper Skate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sc7IayRlds

Single Swith / Double Switch / Triple Switch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhubEayA1Qk

Usually the set will 2 x (2 x 50 yards of each drill at the beginning of a swim workout)

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karen26.2 - 2012-02-28 10:27 PM

Jen - I've had a stress fracture in my fibula also.  Before you try running make sure it's not fractured, you don't want to prolong recovery.  I hope it's not, keep us posted.

I will.  My daughter was up vomiting all night, and she has a 102 fever, so it looks like my appt. will have to be rescheduled.  Perhaps I can get in on Saturday.  Honestly, I'm pretty concerned.  It hurts.  Whatever the case, I won't be running for a while.  I'm going to become one badass cyclist and swimmer in the meantime

Just curious....how long does it take stress fractures to heal?

It depends.  Generally 6 - 8 weeks.



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Ok, I saw the doctor and got some x-rays.  She is 99% certain I have a tibial stress fracture, but she can't be certain until she sees the x-rays.  Also, she said an x-ray doesn't pick up all stress fractures.  OK.  I asked how to proceed if the imaging didn't pick up a fracture, and she said I absolutely need to treat it like a fracture because of the symptoms and swelling, which means no running for 4-6 weeks (more like 6).  She wants an air cast on it during weight bearing activities.  I'm allowed to swim (no kick sets or hard pushing off walls) and cycle (no standing on bike).  

So...I'm trying to understand this.  I'm not allowed to run even if the x-ray says there's no fracture.  Seriously?  Would you accept this? 

I'm thankful I'm allowed to swim and ride the bike, but this sucks.  

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Ok, I saw the doctor and got some x-rays.  She is 99% certain I have a tibial stress fracture, but she can't be certain until she sees the x-rays.  Also, she said an x-ray doesn't pick up all stress fractures.  OK.  I asked how to proceed if the imaging didn't pick up a fracture, and she said I absolutely need to treat it like a fracture because of the symptoms and swelling, which means no running for 4-6 weeks (more like 6).  She wants an air cast on it during weight bearing activities.  I'm allowed to swim (no kick sets or hard pushing off walls) and cycle (no standing on bike).  

So...I'm trying to understand this.  I'm not allowed to run even if the x-ray says there's no fracture.  Seriously?  Would you accept this? 

I'm thankful I'm allowed to swim and ride the bike, but this sucks.  

 

Sorry about the possible diagnosis. I can tell you that in horses (remember I'm a vet) not all fractures are obvious and a bone scan is needed which will look for localized inflammation. I hope that you get an answer soon - when is your xray? My question is that if it is a fracture, then why would biking still be allowed? I can understand swimming, as long as you are not pushing off.

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Ok, I saw the doctor and got some x-rays.  She is 99% certain I have a tibial stress fracture, but she can't be certain until she sees the x-rays.  Also, she said an x-ray doesn't pick up all stress fractures.  OK.  I asked how to proceed if the imaging didn't pick up a fracture, and she said I absolutely need to treat it like a fracture because of the symptoms and swelling, which means no running for 4-6 weeks (more like 6).  She wants an air cast on it during weight bearing activities.  I'm allowed to swim (no kick sets or hard pushing off walls) and cycle (no standing on bike).  

So...I'm trying to understand this.  I'm not allowed to run even if the x-ray says there's no fracture.  Seriously?  Would you accept this? 

I'm thankful I'm allowed to swim and ride the bike, but this sucks.  

 

Sorry about the possible diagnosis. I can tell you that in horses (remember I'm a vet) not all fractures are obvious and a bone scan is needed which will look for localized inflammation. I hope that you get an answer soon - when is your xray? My question is that if it is a fracture, then why would biking still be allowed? I can understand swimming, as long as you are not pushing off.

I get the results tomorrow.  She said the cycling was allowed as long as I felt no pain while doing it.  I'm sure it's not allowed in some cases, but she said it was fine for now (as long as I'm smart about it, obviously).  

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I met with the Orthopedic today as a second follw up to shoulder surgery.  He feels I am ahead of schedule, and was cleared to get back on the bike outdoors, and start running.  Just need to monitor and make sure I don't over do it.  Very happy about that.

So, what I thought was an IT Band issue, actually may be something entirely different.  I've been dealing with neck issues and lower back issues since the accident. The neck issue is another story.  Anyway, my lower back on the left side sometimes flares up, and causes crippling pain, mostly while standing or sitting too long. It's odd, simply becasue if I am active like walking or trainer, I have no issues. He strongly feels it may be an SI Joint issue that got knocked out of place. It causes some leg numbness when I sit too long etc.  So I am seeing another PT specialists on this issue next week.  It's never ending!! But I think I am slowly on the road to recovery.  Was very happy to hear I can get back to activities I enjoy.  We'll see how much pain I can tolerate with the neck, shoulder and back. I also respect it, and need to be sure I remain that way!

Anyone else deal with SI Joint? I hope I am saying that correctly.  I guess when it gets knocked around, it causes one leg to be shorter than the other.

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jarvy01 - 2012-02-29 4:17 PM

Ok, I saw the doctor and got some x-rays.  She is 99% certain I have a tibial stress fracture, but she can't be certain until she sees the x-rays.  Also, she said an x-ray doesn't pick up all stress fractures.  OK.  I asked how to proceed if the imaging didn't pick up a fracture, and she said I absolutely need to treat it like a fracture because of the symptoms and swelling, which means no running for 4-6 weeks (more like 6).  She wants an air cast on it during weight bearing activities.  I'm allowed to swim (no kick sets or hard pushing off walls) and cycle (no standing on bike).  

So...I'm trying to understand this.  I'm not allowed to run even if the x-ray says there's no fracture.  Seriously?  Would you accept this? 

I'm thankful I'm allowed to swim and ride the bike, but this sucks.  

I saw Kelly responded on your other post, but yes it's typically 6 weeks for a stress fracture to heal (sometimes more).

The xray will not pick up on it until the bone has started to regrow, and you can see the different shading of growth in the bone.  That takes a few weeks if I remember correctly. I've had 4 stress fractures that I can remember (maybe 5).

First was in my toe, xray showed nothing.  But, my podiatrist at the time was positive it was a stress fracture.  I believed him, and sure enough the xray a few weeks later supported that because you could see the new bone growth.

Tibula was another one, and again the same podiatrist was positive that was it.  The xray a few weeks later supported it.  He did not let me run, but did let me bike as long as there was no pain.  I think I also was able to do elliptical too.

Calcaneous was another, and because I was supposed to run the Chicago Marathon in a few weeks I asked for a bone scan to be sure, which will show a stress fracture early on.  No Chicago Marathon for me.  Talk about going to a race (I had already bought the plane ticket), and watching all your training buddies running, it SUCKED!!!

Last one was in my hip, and took 3 MRI's before they figured out that's what it was.

Long story short, if you like this doctor and trust them, I would believe them.  My podiatrist was spot on every time, before any xrays or bone scans were done.  Sometimes they just "know".



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I have no experience with a stress fracture myself, so no words of advice from me. Just want to wish you a fast recovery, and trust the Dr, 6 weeks off is annoying, turning it into 6 months of would be much, much worse. 
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Ok, as you may know, I've had (and still do to some degree) calf issues. And I found something in one of the photos from my tri on the weekend that could explain it. Look at my foot on the ground in this picture, it looks to me like its trying to stick out the side of my shoe. That can't be right can it? 

As some background info, I have very flat feet (no arches at all to speak of) so need a shoe with quite a bit of support. The shoes were brought from a proper running store, where I walked over a pressure pad thing to analyse what I need. But I did get them not too long before I started having calf issues, and they are the first pair I've gotten from that shop. Also my dodgy calf is the right leg, not the left shown in photo, although I'd imagine that it's the same for both shoes... 

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Maybe you just need supports in your shoes?  I spent over $1000 a few years ago on custom orthodics  ... and since found the superfeet for $30 work better for me.
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bulfrog - 2012-02-29 6:16 PM

Ok, as you may know, I've had (and still do to some degree) calf issues. And I found something in one of the photos from my tri on the weekend that could explain it. Look at my foot on the ground in this picture, it looks to me like its trying to stick out the side of my shoe. That can't be right can it? 

As some background info, I have very flat feet (no arches at all to speak of) so need a shoe with quite a bit of support. The shoes were brought from a proper running store, where I walked over a pressure pad thing to analyse what I need. But I did get them not too long before I started having calf issues, and they are the first pair I've gotten from that shop. Also my dodgy calf is the right leg, not the left shown in photo, although I'd imagine that it's the same for both shoes... 

So, should I be going shoe shopping? 

You are a pronator (and a pretty serious one at that).  What kind of shoes are you running in?

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